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#1 gatorfan

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 07:05 PM

Just like the title says. I want to bend a hybrid, if i add loft will the face open or close. I have heard mixed answers about this so i want to double check.


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Posted 07 August 2010 - 08:33 PM

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would the face open or close if you change the loft?  This isn't like an adjustable driver, where the hosel and shaft are non-concentric.  Weakening the loft will give you slightly less offset....strengthening the loft will give more...1 degree may not be noticeable thought.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 08:39 PM

View Postgatorfan, on 07 August 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Just like the title says. I want to bend a hybrid, if i add loft will the face open or close. I have heard mixed answers about this so i want to double check.

Bending a wood/hybrid open decreases loft, bending it closed will increase loft.  

Plenty of discussions on it if you want to waste a few hours watching people argue about it though :).
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 08:47 PM

View Post78Staff, on 07 August 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

View Postgatorfan, on 07 August 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Just like the title says. I want to bend a hybrid, if i add loft will the face open or close. I have heard mixed answers about this so i want to double check.

Bending a wood/hybrid open decreases loft, bending it closed will increase loft.  

Plenty of discussions on it if you want to waste a few hours watching people argue about it though :).

not disagreeing with you, but I read the question as what happens to the face angle if he weakens the loft.  The face does not have to bend open or closed if done properly.  Now, if he's intentionally trying to change the face angle (open or closed), that's a  different story....and you are correct.
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 10:45 PM

View Postchickenpotpie, on 07 August 2010 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Post78Staff, on 07 August 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

View Postgatorfan, on 07 August 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Just like the title says. I want to bend a hybrid, if i add loft will the face open or close. I have heard mixed answers about this so i want to double check.

Bending a wood/hybrid open decreases loft, bending it closed will increase loft.  

Plenty of discussions on it if you want to waste a few hours watching people argue about it though :).

not disagreeing with you, but I read the question as what happens to the face angle if he weakens the loft.  The face does not have to bend open or closed if done properly.  Now, if he's intentionally trying to change the face angle (open or closed), that's a  different story....and you are correct.
Maybe he doesn't know that some hybrids with long hosels the loft can be adjusted without messing with face angle?Long hosel hybrids loft can be adusted just like irons.


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Posted 07 August 2010 - 11:10 PM

View PostBigLeftyinAZ, on 07 August 2010 - 10:45 PM, said:

View Postchickenpotpie, on 07 August 2010 - 08:47 PM, said:

View Post78Staff, on 07 August 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

View Postgatorfan, on 07 August 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Just like the title says. I want to bend a hybrid, if i add loft will the face open or close. I have heard mixed answers about this so i want to double check.

Bending a wood/hybrid open decreases loft, bending it closed will increase loft.  

Plenty of discussions on it if you want to waste a few hours watching people argue about it though :).

not disagreeing with you, but I read the question as what happens to the face angle if he weakens the loft.  The face does not have to bend open or closed if done properly.  Now, if he's intentionally trying to change the face angle (open or closed), that's a  different story....and you are correct.
Maybe he doesn't know that some hybrids with long hosels the loft can be adjusted without messing with face angle?Long hosel hybrids loft can be adusted just like irons.

OP mentioned wanting open face in another thread...
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 07:54 AM

The reason people are answering differently is because they are answering different questions.

1. Simply adding loft does not affect face angle at all.

2. A 10.5* driver with a 2* open face has an effective loft of ~ 9.3*. That's becuase when the face is squared at impact, the closing of the face decreases the loft. That's why you see tour guys with 10.5* drivers. Their face angle is probably 2-3* open.

3. Changing the face angle may affect the effective loft, but not vice versa.

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 12:15 PM

View Postmac94, on 08 August 2010 - 07:54 AM, said:

The reason people are answering differently is because they are answering different questions.

1. Simply adding loft does not affect face angle at all.

2. A 10.5* driver with a 2* open face has an effective loft of ~ 9.3*. That's becuase when the face is squared at impact, the closing of the face decreases the loft. That's why you see tour guys with 10.5* drivers. Their face angle is probably 2-3* open.

3. Changing the face angle may affect the effective loft, but not vice versa.

Exactly.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 10:43 PM

View Postchickenpotpie, on 08 August 2010 - 12:15 PM, said:

View Postmac94, on 08 August 2010 - 07:54 AM, said:

The reason people are answering differently is because they are answering different questions.

1. Simply adding loft does not affect face angle at all.

2. A 10.5* driver with a 2* open face has an effective loft of ~ 9.3*. That's becuase when the face is squared at impact, the closing of the face decreases the loft. That's why you see tour guys with 10.5* drivers. Their face angle is probably 2-3* open.

3. Changing the face angle may affect the effective loft, but not vice versa.

Exactly.

Through bending a club, how are you going to change the loft on a driver, and not change the face angle?

If you put the same bend as you would an iron (on a vertical plane perpendicular to the club face) you're changing the face angle, not the loft (but you are changing the effective loft). Without getting the grinder out, how do you change the loft of a driver, and not the face angle?

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