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[markheardjr]

Hello WRX'ers,

Being somewhat of the resident Aldila expert, I emailed an Aldila connection I made at the Northern Trust Open to see if we could get some of our more common questions answered about the RIP. Aldila was kind enough to oblige and came through with some great news!

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The RIP alpha (red eyes) and the beta (green eyes) are both designed around the new RIP Technology, the original RIP alpha is a tip stiff shaft and the beta is a softer tip version.  The difference in tip stiffness is not as great as that on the original NV and NVS but there is a definite difference in feel and performance between the 2 shafts.  The beta is really just starting to get out on Tour now and we are getting really good feedback from players using the alpha in their driver and beta in fairway woods.

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As far as the Taylormade driver coming out with the RIP, the shaft is the same alpha design that is currently being offered on Tour with no modifications.

Finally some good news! The RIPs you order in your SuperDeeps are the exact same model as the Alpha RIPs on tour right now! (and currently in my driver hehe) I love that the Taylormade TP Aldila shafts are real deals! (Edited for the haters...) The Beta's sound very interesting. There is a picture of one in Easyyy's "bvmagic's lost pictures" thread near the very bottom. (Link to pics 12th pic from the bottom, in a R9 T/S) I wonder if we'll ever see some sort of SuperTri FWY with a Beta RIP as an option? I think the Beta's are super early in production and testing so we probably won't see more news on these for a while.

Thanks again to Aldila for providing some answers for us! I'll try to get a release date out of them for the non-TM RIPs. Looking forward to RIP'ing it up this season!

Edited by markheardjr, 31 March 2010 - 04:00 PM.

[Islander]

Thanks for info!!

I have my first RIP coming now

On a side note....do you have any tipping instructions for the RIP?

[sds1610]

Where can you order these shafts?   The aldila website? Thanks

[Puppetmaster]

Thanks for the info, Mark. I'm looking forward to the official release to get a 70 for my driver. Loving the 90 in my 3W right now.

[markheardjr]

 Islander, on 31 March 2010 - 12:17 PM, said:

Thanks for info!!

I have my first RIP coming now

On a side note....do you have any tipping instructions for the RIP?

Nothing has come out yet. With how tip stiff these shafts are I would think you should not tip the same as other shafts. Maybe if you usually tip 1" try 1/2" first, if you tip 1/2" try untipped first. I have a 60-X that came tipped 1/2" and I am thinking about getting one untipped. I am not sure if TM will tip them or not, my guess would be not. These shafts will be one of the most tip stiff shafts the public can get in a retail offering so they will probably limit the tipping and keep them long. Tipping could change depending on hosel depth too.

 sds1610, on 31 March 2010 - 12:20 PM, said:

Where can you order these shafts?   The aldila website? Thanks

Currently they are not available retail. The first offerings will be sometime in April in the TM SuperDeep which we all just found out is the real deal. I think we will see a lot of Taylormade graphics RIPs in non-Taylormade clubs in the beginning. Hopefully Aldila will be ready to release them soon after the SuperDeeps come out. Keep checking eBay and GolfWRX BST. I understand BSG had some for $300 new, not sure if they still do.

[LBattaglia93]

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

[liveagua]

I am glad that Mark keeps Aldila in business because I can't see to find any reason to put ANY of their shafts in play. I continue to test everything that they come out with and it seems like they continue to put out VS Proto's with new graphics and a new name.

Yes, Aldila has put watered down versions in the Titleist 909 series and the Nike VR series.

[wfrogge1]

 markheardjr, on 31 March 2010 - 12:07 PM, said:

Hello WRX'ers,

Being somewhat of the resident Aldila expert, I emailed an Aldila connection I made at the Northern Trust Open to see if we could get some of our more common questions answered about the RIP. Aldila was kind enough to oblige and came through with some great news!

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The RIP alpha (red eyes) and the beta (green eyes) are both designed around the new RIP Technology, the original RIP alpha is a tip stiff shaft and the beta is a softer tip version.  The difference in tip stiffness is not as great as that on the original NV and NVS but there is a definite difference in feel and performance between the 2 shafts.  The beta is really just starting to get out on Tour now and we are getting really good feedback from players using the alpha in their driver and beta in fairway woods.

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As far as the Taylormade driver coming out with the RIP, the shaft is the same alpha design that is currently being offered on Tour with no modifications.

Finally some good news! The RIPs you order in your SuperDeeps are the exact same model as the Alpha RIPs on tour right now! (and currently in my driver hehe) I love that Aldila sticks to their guns and doesn't water down their offerings to the clubmaking OEM's. The Beta's sound very interesting. There is a picture of one in Easyyy's "bvmagic's lost pictures" thread near the very bottom. (Link to pics 12th pic from the bottom, in a R9 T/S) I wonder if we'll ever see some sort of SuperTri FWY with a Beta RIP as an option? I think the Beta's are super early in production and testing so we probably won't see more news on these for a while.

Thanks again to Aldila for providing some answers for us! I'll try to get a release date out of them for the non-TM RIPs. Looking forward to RIP'ing it up this season!

LOL

[jokerusn]

 LBattaglia93, on 31 March 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

... and the NV in the Hogan Apex Driver and original TEE driver, NV/NVS/DVS in Cobra's last few lines of woods/hybrids, Voodoo in Nike VR st8-fit Tour, the VS Proto 65 that was in Ping, Titleist and a bunch of others...  did I leave any others out?

[acquadiice]

well with the sticker MSRP price of $599 for a driver, i would hope the shaft wasnt watered down

[DTown3011]

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[preacher]

Green eyes looks/sounds interesting

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[jmaxham04]

Bought this beta version off ebay a couple months ago for $100 - came with an R9 tip. Threw it in my 3 wood and its possibly the most smooth and buttery shaft I have ever hit - super long too. Feels damper than the RIP alpha I have in my R9 driver - but its still sick!

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[markheardjr]

As usual ther are a few folks that completely miss the point... Oh well. If you have read anything on the subject, you'd know that the VooDoo for Titleist is not a watered down version, it is actually beefed up. For the haters, let me narrow down my comment that the TaylorMade TP offerings are the real deal. I think Aldila does a better job than say Mitsubishi/Diamana does with differentiating what is real and what is not. (Ha, just checked, wouldn't you know all the haters are playing Mitsu's and Matrix!?!) I'd rather be enthused than hate on everyone else. I don't care for Matrix, UST, or Accra but I'n not bashing their posts as soon as they release info. I'm still interested at least to know what a Matrix Reign is.

I think, as a forum, we need to get away from calling things real and not-real. I know I just did it, but we need a mindshift. A Titleist VooDoo is still a real (ie. not fake) VooDoo, it's just not an SVS6 VooDoo... Nascar is a prime example, people realize that the Camry on the race track is not the Camry they buy at the dealership. I think in golf it is not as clear to most. Now, they know their Diamana isn't the same as Tiger's, but they don't know that the Diamana that costs $200 isn't the same as their Diamana.

You know, it's the haters like you guys that make it difficult to entice companies like Aldila to post on the site. I can't count how many times GDI_Pershing has posted some cool info and 2 minutes later some moron contradicts him. Hello, he works for Graphite Design!!! True_Temper used to post a ton more here till everyone started hating on his posts. I have posted before and I will restate so you all know, I DO NOT work for Aldila. I love their shafts and I like to keep those that want to know, like me, up to speed on their stuff. There are tons of GolfWRX'ers that will be stoked to know their new RIP is the real deal.

Back on topic...The TP RIPs are real!

[markheardjr]

 jmaxham04, on 31 March 2010 - 03:45 PM, said:

Bought this beta version off ebay a couple months ago for $100 - came with an R9 tip. Threw it in my 3 wood and its possibly the most smooth and buttery shaft I have ever hit - super long too. Feels damper than the RIP alpha I have in my R9 driver - but its still sick!

Great picture, that's the first I've seen up close of the B for Beta.

[J-J]

 markheardjr, on 31 March 2010 - 03:53 PM, said:

As usual ther are a few folks that completely miss the point... Oh well. If you have read anything on the subject, you'd know that the VooDoo for Titleist is not a watered down version, it is actually beefed up. For the haters, let me narrow down my comment that the TaylorMade TP offerings are the real deal. I think Aldila does a better job than say Mitsubishi/Diamana does with differentiating what is real and what is not. (Ha, just checked, wouldn't you know all the haters are playing Mitsu's and Matrix!?!) I'd rather be enthused than hate on everyone else. I don't care for Matrix, UST, or Accra but I'n not bashing their posts as soon as they release info. I'm still interested at least to know what a Matrix Reign is.

I think, as a forum, we need to get away from calling things real and not-real. I know I just did it, but we need a mindshift. A Titleist VooDoo is still a real (ie. not fake) VooDoo, it's just not an SVS6 VooDoo... Nascar is a prime example, people realize that the Camry on the race track is not the Camry they buy at the dealership. I think in golf it is not as clear to most. Now, they know their Diamana isn't the same as Tiger's, but they don't know that the Diamana that costs $200 isn't the same as their Diamana.

You know, it's the haters like you guys that make it difficult to entice companies like Aldila to post on the site. I can't count how many times GDI_Pershing has posted some cool info and 2 minutes later some moron contradicts him. Hello, he works for Graphite Design!!! True_Temper used to post a ton more here till everyone started hating on his posts. I have posted before and I will restate so you all know, I DO NOT work for Aldila. I love their shafts and I like to keep those that want to know, like me, up to speed on their stuff. There are tons of GolfWRX'ers that will be stoked to know their new RIP is the real deal.

Back on topic...The TP RIPs are real!

Very well said !!!


Keep us posted on any release dates for the Alpha and Beta !!
Have an Alpha coming to put in an FT-Tour to try out...
Wouldn't mind trying the Beta in a 3-wood!

JJ

[Russ757]

Im just ticked i didnt see that RIP that went for $100

[OldSkoolTexan]

 markheardjr, on 31 March 2010 - 03:53 PM, said:

As usual ther are a few folks that completely miss the point... Oh well. If you have read anything on the subject, you'd know that the VooDoo for Titleist is not a watered down version, it is actually beefed up. For the haters, let me narrow down my comment that the TaylorMade TP offerings are the real deal. I think Aldila does a better job than say Mitsubishi/Diamana does with differentiating what is real and what is not. (Ha, just checked, wouldn't you know all the haters are playing Mitsu's and Matrix!?!) I'd rather be enthused than hate on everyone else. I don't care for Matrix, UST, or Accra but I'n not bashing their posts as soon as they release info. I'm still interested at least to know what a Matrix Reign is.

I think, as a forum, we need to get away from calling things real and not-real. I know I just did it, but we need a mindshift. A Titleist VooDoo is still a real (ie. not fake) VooDoo, it's just not an SVS6 VooDoo... Nascar is a prime example, people realize that the Camry on the race track is not the Camry they buy at the dealership. I think in golf it is not as clear to most. Now, they know their Diamana isn't the same as Tiger's, but they don't know that the Diamana that costs $200 isn't the same as their Diamana.

You know, it's the haters like you guys that make it difficult to entice companies like Aldila to post on the site. I can't count how many times GDI_Pershing has posted some cool info and 2 minutes later some moron contradicts him. Hello, he works for Graphite Design!!! True_Temper used to post a ton more here till everyone started hating on his posts. I have posted before and I will restate so you all know, I DO NOT work for Aldila. I love their shafts and I like to keep those that want to know, like me, up to speed on their stuff. There are tons of GolfWRX'ers that will be stoked to know their new RIP is the real deal.

Back on topic...The TP RIPs are real!

Heard games more ALdila than pretty much anyone here. Period.....

[Hstead]

That is interesting info. I just sold a RIP 70X alpha. I just didn't like it. The tip is no where near as stiff as the Project X 8A4, which I don't think anything probably is though. In defense of the RIP 70X, I do not seem to hit any 70 gram shaft well. For me, I seem to play better with heavier shafts, mid 80's gram. The sound was different than anything I had ever heard. The feel was smooth and good, but I usually think all of the lighter shafts "feel" better to me than the heavier shafts, it is just the heavier shaft flies better for me.

I am getting ready to install another 8A4 in the Adams tomorrow hopefully if the USPS cooperates. I am then going to test a Miyzaki Black 83X.

I would really like to give the RIP 80X a shot. It may be completely different than the 70X. Nothing but high and right with too much spin for me with the 70X. That seems to be the shot I hit with all lighter less stiff shafts, high and right.

Thanks again for the info, it is good to know what you are buying though I didn't when I bought mine. It is hard to find good spec info on the RIP right now.

[jokerusn]

 markheardjr, on 31 March 2010 - 03:53 PM, said:

As usual ther are a few folks that completely miss the point... Oh well. If you have read anything on the subject, you'd know that the VooDoo for Titleist is not a watered down version, it is actually beefed up. For the haters, let me narrow down my comment that the TaylorMade TP offerings are the real deal. I think Aldila does a better job than say Mitsubishi/Diamana does with differentiating what is real and what is not. (Ha, just checked, wouldn't you know all the haters are playing Mitsu's and Matrix!?!) I'd rather be enthused than hate on everyone else. I don't care for Matrix, UST, or Accra but I'n not bashing their posts as soon as they release info. I'm still interested at least to know what a Matrix Reign is.

I think, as a forum, we need to get away from calling things real and not-real. I know I just did it, but we need a mindshift. A Titleist VooDoo is still a real (ie. not fake) VooDoo, it's just not an SVS6 VooDoo... Nascar is a prime example, people realize that the Camry on the race track is not the Camry they buy at the dealership. I think in golf it is not as clear to most. Now, they know their Diamana isn't the same as Tiger's, but they don't know that the Diamana that costs $200 isn't the same as their Diamana.

You know, it's the haters like you guys that make it difficult to entice companies like Aldila to post on the site. I can't count how many times GDI_Pershing has posted some cool info and 2 minutes later some moron contradicts him. Hello, he works for Graphite Design!!! True_Temper used to post a ton more here till everyone started hating on his posts. I have posted before and I will restate so you all know, I DO NOT work for Aldila. I love their shafts and I like to keep those that want to know, like me, up to speed on their stuff. There are tons of GolfWRX'ers that will be stoked to know their new RIP is the real deal.

Back on topic...The TP RIPs are real!

Just to set the record straight, I am not an Aldila "hater".  I just don't think anyone can say that Aldila is any different than any other shaft manufacturer.  They make "made-for" shafts just like everyone else and need to in order to keep their business financially sound.  I don't think any of Aldila's shafts are sub-par because of their decision to make stock shafts.  Like every manufacturer, in just about every consumer product arena, they have a tiered product line.  In successful companies, like Aldila, the technology of higher-end products trickle down to the lower end.  It does not dilute the quality of their premier products.  If anything, it improves the performance of the mass-market products.  As for the "Titleist Voodoo", I have read up on it and it's not a "beefed up" version.  According to the Titleist blog, it's got the weight of the VS7 with a softer tip to better fit the vast majority of golfers.  Is it a "real" Voodoo?  Yes and No.  It has all the Voodoo technology but it's not an aftermarket Voodoo.  It is, in my opinion, probably the best stock, non-retail shaft available through any manufacturer, though.  

I play what I play for 2 reasons:  1) It fits my swing, and 2) I can't afford to change them at the moment.  If you'll also look at what other brands I play, you'll see that I don't have any allegience to any one brand - of any club.  I play what works for me.  I don't have any brand loyalty except for Coke.  I believe that you have done extensive research on Aldila's products and what you say is true but when anyone has any deep seeded fondness for any one thing (look at all the TM and Nike fans for example), their views on items will be taken with a grain of salt from everyone else, regardless of the validity.

I completely agree that using "real" and "not real" should be avoided.  It needs to be something like "the same as aftermarket" or "OEM/made-for".  "Real" is too vague and causes WAY too many arguments.  I also agree that people here can be a quick on the post and don't look at who is posting, myself included.  I apologize if it came off as bashing.  I do not hate any brand nor do I think having loyalty to one brand is a negative.

Anyway, back to topic...

I am very interested to try the SuperDeep with a R.I.P.  I just hope that they have better weights than with the R9 TP.

Edited by jokerusn, 01 April 2010 - 09:18 AM.

[bear87]

Thanks for the info. If you get any color on the actual release date of the alpha and beta versions, I'd really appreciate it.

[phelps22]

 LBattaglia93, on 31 March 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

Sorry, but that info is incorrect. The Voodoo shaft in the 909 series woods is not "waterterd-down". Aldila made this shaft with the same S-Core technology as the aftermaket Voodoo shafts, but only to the specs that Titleist asked for. Same technology slightly different bend profile to fit a wider variety of players.

[OldSkoolTexan]

 phelps22, on 01 April 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

 LBattaglia93, on 31 March 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

Sorry, but that info is incorrect. The Voodoo shaft in the 909 series woods is not "waterterd-down". Aldila made this shaft with the same S-Core technology as the aftermaket Voodoo shafts, but only to the specs that Titleist asked for. Same technology slightly different bend profile to fit a wider variety of players.

Exactly. If Titleist used the regular shafts, MOST wouldnt be able to deal with the tip stiffness. Most drivers have a 1.25" to 1.5" insertion depth as opposed to a 3" or so Titleist full bore setup. How many guys tip their shafts 1.5" out of the box?


Let us assume that it doesnt change the bend profile enough to take the "goodness" out of the shaft. With that, how many guys do you think would be interested in picking up an R flex $500 driver as opposed to an S flex? Not to mention the guys that need an R flex would then need an A flex.

[robbie91]

bet the green makes a nice fw shaft

[macglock]

 jokerusn, on 31 March 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

 LBattaglia93, on 31 March 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

... and the NV in the Hogan Apex Driver and original TEE driver, NV/NVS/DVS in Cobra's last few lines of woods/hybrids, Voodoo in Nike VR st8-fit Tour, the VS Proto 65 that was in Ping, Titleist and a bunch of others...  did I leave any others out?

OP was referring to Taylormade Aldila offerings, not these other brands

[markheardjr]

 macglock, on 01 April 2010 - 10:23 PM, said:

 jokerusn, on 31 March 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

 LBattaglia93, on 31 March 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

... and the NV in the Hogan Apex Driver and original TEE driver, NV/NVS/DVS in Cobra's last few lines of woods/hybrids, Voodoo in Nike VR st8-fit Tour, the VS Proto 65 that was in Ping, Titleist and a bunch of others...  did I leave any others out?

OP was referring to Taylormade Aldila offerings, not these other brands

Actually, originally I made to broad of a statement but edited my post for the whiners of the bunch. Thanks for the back up though!

[macglock]

 markheardjr, on 01 April 2010 - 11:52 PM, said:

 macglock, on 01 April 2010 - 10:23 PM, said:

 jokerusn, on 31 March 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

 LBattaglia93, on 31 March 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Uhh not to burst your bubble but Aldila put "watered-down" versions of the Voodoo in all the Titleist 909 series

... and the NV in the Hogan Apex Driver and original TEE driver, NV/NVS/DVS in Cobra's last few lines of woods/hybrids, Voodoo in Nike VR st8-fit Tour, the VS Proto 65 that was in Ping, Titleist and a bunch of others...  did I leave any others out?

OP was referring to Taylormade Aldila offerings, not these other brands

Actually, originally I made to broad of a statement but edited my post for the whiners of the bunch. Thanks for the back up though!

Good man, admit the cover up. In that case...I retract my statement haha

[Dugan408]

The aldila 90 nv stock shaft in my Tee cb2 hybrid works very well for me, in fact, its my favorite club in my bag. I am playing a set of Tour Edge Bazooka irons with aldila 70 nvs r and for some odd reason, this shaft just doesen't work for me. I have only been playing golf for 6 months so it might be my swing. I'm hitting my 4 hybrid 200 yards and my 5 iron 160 yards. I will be switching to the the tour edge exotics ex-1 irons with a nippon 950 gh shaft as soon as possible. I have 1 quick question. I need to change my shaft in my R7 CGB max because the stock 45 gram shaft is just way too friggin light. Does anybody play the DVS in Taylor Made Drivers?

[markheardjr]

 Dugan408, on 03 April 2010 - 12:44 AM, said:

The aldila 90 nv stock shaft in my Tee cb2 hybrid works very well for me, in fact, its my favorite club in my bag. I am playing a set of Tour Edge Bazooka irons with aldila 70 nvs r and for some odd reason, this shaft just doesen't work for me. I have only been playing golf for 6 months so it might be my swing. I'm hitting my 4 hybrid 200 yards and my 5 iron 160 yards. I will be switching to the the tour edge exotics ex-1 irons with a nippon 950 gh shaft as soon as possible. I have 1 quick question. I need to change my shaft in my R7 CGB max because the stock 45 gram shaft is just way too friggin light. Does anybody play the DVS in Taylor Made Drivers?

The DVS is a good shaft in any club. The DVS offers high launch and mid spin. I played the XDV7 VooDoo in a TM 5 wood for 7 or 8 months. DVS 60-S or 70-s should be right up your alley for that CGB Max. You might find a pull from an Adam's driver for a cheap experiment. Those 70g NVS shafts in your irons might be to0 light and too soft. If you hit a 4 hybrid with a 90g shaft 200 yards you can manage something heavier and maybe in a stiff flex. The Nippon's are a step in the right direction, try Stiffs though, the Nippons tend to run a hair soft to flex.

[boycer11]

My swing speed is only 95, how would a stiff beta work in my 10.5 supertri driver? currently trying out the stock fubuki 73s, project x 6a12, kai'li reg, might try oban devotion, matrix f6m2 & altus, gd tour ad di, ust. Any more word when they are coming out?

Edited by boycer11, 03 April 2010 - 01:33 PM.