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Best of PGA Show '10... Putters!!! rollin, rollin, rolin... Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   chisag 

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:18 AM

... Ahhhhh Putters. If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone pick up a putter, then make a practice stroke with it, I'd have Bill Gates mowing my lawn. Some are lucky enough to find a putter that works for them and never so much as look at another. Most of us would need to go to"putter rehab"however, because if there is one club we are gonna cheat on, it's our putter. I have stated in previous reviews that I don't see why anyone would use a putter without some kind of groove or roll technology. The benefits may not be as great for Touring Pro's or those that belong to a high end Country Club and play on immaculate greens, but high speed photography proves a better roll can be made with groove technology regardless of how pristine the surface is. That said, the benefit to the average public course golfer is so great, even the biggest skeptic would be convinced if they tried putting side by side with a grooveless putter face and a putter utilizing roll technology. But advances in the newest putters do not stop there. Like today's drivers, putters are also making technical strides in many other areas. This years Best of PGA Show '10 … Putters!!! not only utilize grove/roll technology, but a lightweight face insert combined with a heavy tungsten flange to increase moi and stability. They are stunning to look at with a gorgeous matt black finish that really has to be seen in person.

... I have always used a heel shafted putter and though that particular design went thru somewhat of a hiatus at the turn of the century, the last few years have seen a resurgence thanks to Stan Utley. He promotes what I have always called a gate stroke, but arc stroke is the name that many touring pro's have adopted. The amazing MOI Series YES! Putters are the winners of the Best of PGA Show '10 … Putters!!! The MOI series consists of 3 putters: 1) Morgan - a classic heel shafted 8802 blade with traditional offset 2) Mollie - a heel shafted mallet with less offset and 3) Donna II - an anser style putter with a deeper flange. They are made of a CNC milled 303 stainless steel body, a lightweight aerospace-grade aluminum face and a heavy tungsten flange at the rear of the putter. At 355gms the balance is exceptional. Viewing pictures in magazines or on the internet simply does not do these putters justice. Everything about these putters scream "class". From the fit and finish to the Iomic Tour grip to the best putter head cover I have ever seen. It is quite thick and substantial instead of the flimsy, cheap stock covers often supplied with putters. YES! Has stepped up to the Cameron/Bettinardi level with their new MOI series. Interestingly, the C-Groove design has not changed. YES! got it right the first time and has not been able to come up with anything better. It is easy to see why they invested so much time and effort into the other elements of the design because the C-Groove is as good as it gets.

... A quick primer or review: your golf ball actually sits in a slight depression on the green, caused by the weight of the ball and gravity. Most of today's putters use loft alone to help"lift"the ball out of its depression. This loft creates backspin, which in turn causes the ball to skip or skid before it begins its true roll. Of course the worse the condition of the green you are putting on, the worse the skidding can move your ball off its line. This is where the YES! C-Grooves on the putter face come into play. The grooves actually grip the ball, hold onto it through impact, and then release your ball into an immediate forward roll. Without the grooves, the ball can slide up the face creating even more backspin and this loses energy, which can cause inconsistent distance control as well as off line putts. Personally, I would never play with a putter that did not have some form of groove technology. Once you take advantage of groove technology, you will never go back. My last 4 PGA Show putter winners have all utilized a grooved face. The first time I used a YES! Sophia I was hooked. ... Scotty Cameron's gets a bad rap by many golfers who think they are over priced. While that is a subjective judgment, I have always admired the balance of Cameron putters. The YES! MOI Series has that same perfect balance which allows the putter to swing in a true pendulum motion. If you use a very light grip and just allow the putter to create it's own path with no manipulation, you will absolutely love the MOI Series. It is almost as if the putter swings itself, or at least that is the feeling you get. At address you only see the black finish and white alignment aids on the Morgan and Mollie, but look at the sole or face and you can easily see the technology incorporated in these putters. The lightweight silver 6061 aero-space grade aluminum face is milled with the YES! Concentric C-Grooves. The face produces a unique, softer feel and it is almost like the face has tiny fingers. Of course the lighter aluminum provides perimeter weighting that produces a more forgiving putter. The sole displays the tungsten flange contributing to the moi of these putters. I loved this feature on the Odyssey black series #9 but found the different colors and lines too busy for my tastes. The Mollie has also improved that design with the addition of their aluminum face, providing even more forgiveness. To my knowledge, the Morgan is the only blade putter that incorporates this kind of moi and it is something I have been waiting a long time to see. The Wilson 8802 is a legendary blade putter and improving its performance has not been easy, but the Morgan has done just that. At address the Morgan looks like a solid piece of 304 milled stainless steel and the technology is invisible, something I am sure purists will love. The Donna II improves on the traditional anser style with a wider flange, with the heel and toe of the lightweight aluminum face incorporating heavier steel inserts for stability. The Mollie utilizes the T-lines used by most mallets. Contrasting white lines both perpendicular and parallel to the target line. The Donna II has the one white target line. I prefer no sight lines on my putters, and the great thing about a black finish is you can remove the paintfill and the line disappears. On a silver/gold putter, the sightline becomes a channel that is still relatively visible. The beautiful tour matt black finish is the best I have ever seen. I have had putters refinished by Black Oxide Services and although they did a great job, the finish on the MOI putters is extraordinary.

... YES! also informs me they can fully customize their putters. They have a plethora of options and Blair Phillip, Director of Research and Development says "Yes! Golf has an internal shaft weighting system that allows us to customize any Yes! Putter to perform optimally. I believe that Yes! Is a clear industry leader in this respect and that the golfing world will come to recognize this over time." Custom weighting gives you the ability to change the balance if you desire. They use both internal shaft weighting and back weighting. Everyone swings or moves the putter to their own rhythm so the shaft and back weighting can help optimize your stroke. You can also have your putter engraved with a state of the industry laser engraving machine that can engrave your name, initials or even a logo! Of course you can also choose custom Winn AVS grips in standard or midsize if they are your grip of choice, while length, loft and lie can also be customized at no charge, the options vary by the model you choose.

... Putting is an art and there are artists that use a brush on a canvas and there are painters that use a sprayer on a wall. The MOI series is not for painters who may scoff at the $299 retail price tag. But in the right hands, I think they are a steal at that price. Considering many high end putters with no technology are sold for $299 and higher, the MOI series offers everything you will find in a Cameron or Bettinardi and much, much more. The milled aluminum face is extraordinary and provides a feel unlike anything I have ever tried. Add the tungsten flange and you have as much technology packed into a small package as possible. I just have to say it one more time, the jaw dropping fit and finish on these putters is something you have to see in person. YES! sent me a demo Mollie to try out at a golf course under real world conditions. The roll was exceptional, the look exquisite and feel is something you need to try for yourself. I took some pictures as the release date is not set in stone, and you will not find the MOI series on the website yet. With a YES! MOI putter to fit just about anyone including the traditional Morgan blade, the heel shafted Mollie mallet and the plumbers necked Donna II, there is a putter for just about every style and I think these are a mandatory demo. I am very excited to put a YES! MOI in play this season and I will do a follow up review this summer. Congratulations to the YES! MOI Series, my "Best of PGA Show '10… Putters!!!".




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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:28 AM

Interesting looking putter. Definitely reminds me of the Odyssey's use of tungsen in the flange.

Also, good to hear the positive marks on the finish. Yes! got nailed by many people for their "shotty" finishes...
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Posted 22 March 2010 - 12:43 PM

Hate the section on the back that is screwed in. A one piece would be so much nicer. Also hate that the sightline doesn't extend all the way to the end.
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Posted 22 March 2010 - 01:17 PM

View PostSkaffa77, on 22 March 2010 - 11:28 AM, said:

Interesting looking putter. Definitely reminds me of the Odyssey's use of tungsen in the flange.
Also, good to hear the positive marks on the finish. Yes! got nailed by many people for their "shotty" finishes...


... I did not like the finish on my Sophia. I sanded off the shiny gloss and it looked great. These pics are very close up, so in real size and at a normal distance they look awesome.
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Posted 22 March 2010 - 03:03 PM

View Postpearls24, on 22 March 2010 - 12:43 PM, said:

Hate the section on the back that is screwed in. A one piece would be so much nicer. Also hate that the sightline doesn't extend all the way to the end.


... I believe the screws are for PGA Pro's that will want radical changes in swingweight. At this time there is no plans to change the tungsten flange for the retail market. Either way it is nowhere near as noticeable when actually using the putter as it is in the close ups. I'd hate to be an Oem deciding what sightlines to put on a putter. I don't like any at all, you like a lot and then there are folks in between!!!

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 03:09 PM

oooo that Yes! is sweeeeet... (However, I gotta agree with pearls24)

I kinda miss my Yes! Sophia... :(
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Posted 22 March 2010 - 04:01 PM

Any in hand pics of the DONNA II putter???
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Posted 22 March 2010 - 05:38 PM

View Postjonnyh10, on 22 March 2010 - 04:01 PM, said:

Any in hand pics of the DONNA II putter???


... YES! only sent me the Mollie which is back in Denver now. Easyyy took some nice pictures of the Donna II here:

http://www.golfwrx.c...10-yes-putters/
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 02:40 PM

Dear Pearls,

Thank you for the feedback on the Mollie.

Sorry to hear that you are not happy that the sight line does not extend all the way back. I have heard that from a few people now. Of course, you can never please all and we did consider this at the development stages but chose to avoid alignment problems by creating a line on the tungsten part as well.

The reason why the part screws in is simply that the back, crescent shaped piece is made of Tungsten. Tungsten, as you may know, has a very high specific gravity. The extra weight also comes with an extreme hardness that makes it next impossible to bond properly without the use of screws.

What would you suggest for the future? Would it be better to cap these off?

Blair Philip
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 02:42 PM

Here is a fairly good one for you all.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 03:43 PM

Chisag,

Thank you for the comments. We are listening all the time but we thought it might be good to weigh in directly once in a while.

The back of the putter, now that everyone knows, is tungsten. What people do not realize is that, the crescent shape of the tungsten flange serves a few purposes and are very specifically engineered for that putter.

1- The tungsten portion moves the center of gravity back off the face and increases the perimeter weighting by stretching the weight around the back perimeter adding to the MOI stability of the putter.
2- The crescent shape of the tungsten portion actually moves the Center of gravity in line with the center of the back cavity and the face. This makes the sweet spot actually correspond to where the player lines up his ball. I can't say that about all other putters that shape.
3- The aluminum insert allows the effects to be accentuated by freeing up more discretionary weight to place in the back, tungsten section.

If you were to change the back weight of the putter, you would eliminate the specific effectiveness of the tungsten weight, effectively changing in into an ordinary putter, not to mention reducing the overall weight greatly. The feel would be a lot less solid.

Also, if the tungsten is taken off, the lack of weight in the toe would move the C-G back towards the heel which would cause a misalignment of the geometric center of the putter face and cavity and the sight line.

Thanks for the comments. Should Sophia be coming back?

Blair Philip
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 05:04 PM

I'll take one. Sweet putter
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:26 PM

I am a HUGE Bettinardi BB-34 and Odyssey #9 fan, but this putter is simply amazing! I would buy one right now if it were available..
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 09:32 PM

In regards to the Sophia coming back - I had one and enjoyed it, and offer the following feedback:

The head was a bit heavy for me
The neck to head transition didn't appeal to me, and I found myself looking for it at address

It did roll the ball extrememly well, and had a great feel. If you could improve the hosel/head to look like the one above I think it would be a marked improvement.
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Posted 05 April 2010 - 07:17 PM

... Blair, any idea on a release date???

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:36 AM

I can't wait to get my hands on the Morgan! I have always liked Yes putters and had two of them in the rotation last summer but sold them to friends who wanted them more!!

A release date would be great!

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:26 PM

Hello Blair,
I have just ordered one of the Mollie putters -- I tried a similar putter from another brand, the exotics dgv3.1 -- but was sold by the idea of a grooved face giving better roll on less than perfect greens.
However I do have one or two concerns/questions:
1. Will the aluminium face be easier to damage, more likely to receive dents and nicks than a steel face?
2. Will three separate parts provide less 'feel' than a single solid milled block of steel?
3. How does the Yes! Mollie compare with the Odyssey Black Series Tour Design #9 Putter - TD-09? I see that the Odyssey has a urethane-dampening layer between the head and flange -- does the Mollie also have this?
Thanks in advance,
Mark

View Postpuro61, on 29 March 2010 - 02:40 PM, said:

Dear Pearls,

Thank you for the feedback on the Mollie.

Sorry to hear that you are not happy that the sight line does not extend all the way back. I have heard that from a few people now. Of course, you can never please all and we did consider this at the development stages but chose to avoid alignment problems by creating a line on the tungsten part as well.

The reason why the part screws in is simply that the back, crescent shaped piece is made of Tungsten. Tungsten, as you may know, has a very high specific gravity. The extra weight also comes with an extreme hardness that makes it next impossible to bond properly without the use of screws.

What would you suggest for the future? Would it be better to cap these off?

Blair Philip
Director or R&D
YES! Golf

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