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does cutting shaft down increase or decrease lie angle?


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#1 pblair

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 04:27 PM

Could someone help me clear up some confusion.  I have clubs that are +1 inch long and 1/2 degree upright.  I want to cut them down 1/2 inch and am wondering what effect it will have on the lie angle.  Will it increase it to around 1 degree upright or lower closer to standard.
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Posted 21 March 2010 - 06:03 PM

the shorter the shaft the more flat the lie becomes. i don't remember the exact ratio of length to lie though.
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Posted 21 March 2010 - 06:10 PM

It is 1* =1/2" of change i you were to shorten the club to get the club handle to the same height you would make  the shaft more upright to keep the sole on the same plane, reverse for lengthen.

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 06:19 PM

Maybe I don't understand your question.... simply cutting length or adding length to a club will not change its lie angle.
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Posted 21 March 2010 - 06:37 PM

blhoff you are correct.  The lie angle is just that, an angle.  It does not change based on the length of the club.  However, the so called effective angle does change - based on basic geometry.  The top of the grip will be lowered "as if" the length stayed the same and the angle was flattened/reduced.

The terminology used in the golf arena is wrong, but the basic concept is correct.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 12:49 PM

If you cut 1/2 an inch off of your 3 iron, it is now the same length as your 4 iron, but still has the slightly flatter lie angle of the 3 iron.  

If you replace the lost swingweight, then you now have a strong lofted "4" iron effectively that is flatter than the real 4 iron in the set.  

How much flatter depends on the lie angle slope/increment that the OEM used for the set.  One degree used to be fairly common, but many OEMs now make the long irons only 1/2 a degree flatter.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 01:02 PM

 blhoff, on 21 March 2010 - 06:19 PM, said:

Maybe I don't understand your question.... simply cutting length or adding length to a club will not change its lie angle.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 09:47 PM

SO it sounds like i should have the lie angle increased by at least 1 since i cut a 1/2 inch off.  The clubs were +1inch and the just always seemed to long.  Everyhting i have read and different fitting systems i have been to all told me to play standard or plus 1/4.  Since my clubs are mizuno's my five iron is now 38 1/4 which is 1/2 inch above standard (on mizuno anyway)  Is this going to effect the loft of the club?  Thanks for all the help so far.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 10:59 PM

How could that in any way affect the loft.....

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:13 PM

it wouldn't change the club's lie angle, but in a player's hands it would lie at a different angle with the same setup and posture. shortening it you would need to make it more upright.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 07:23 AM

 Balbowski116, on 22 March 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

How could that in any way affect the loft.....


i was having my putter lie angle changed by a guy and he told me that once you move the lie angle you change the loft. He was a repair guy and because i know little about club repair i thought he was right and that the same thing could happen on cutting down an iron. Doesnt sound logical though and i can understand the perplexed response.



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Posted 23 March 2010 - 09:22 AM

 pblair, on 23 March 2010 - 07:23 AM, said:

 Balbowski116, on 22 March 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

How could that in any way affect the loft.....


i was having my putter lie angle changed by a guy and he told me that once you move the lie angle you change the loft. He was a repair guy and because i know little about club repair i thought he was right and that the same thing could happen on cutting down an iron. Doesnt sound logical though and i can understand the perplexed response.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 07:31 AM

thanks for all the help everyone.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:26 PM

1/2 inch = 3/4 degree




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