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[gsteitz]

Retail or Tour Issue. There are many fans of each model, what do you all think and why?

Edited by gsteitz, 09 March 2010 - 12:38 AM.

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[DTown3011]

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

[iteachgolf]

Overall PNT2

[gsteitz]

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

[gsteitz]

iteachgolf, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

Overall PNT2

Pros / Cons?

[Skip1020]

Idea Black Super Hybrid 17*.  Best.... Hybrid....... Ever.

Mark my words, it's a cannon.

Coming April 15.

[PreppySlapCut]

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No.  He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro.  It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

[Tim Delgado]

iteachgolf, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

Overall PNT2

Agreed.  

They are not as easy to "work" as the original tour-issue Idea Pros, but they are straighter and easier to hit.

The tour-issue version of the "boxer" Idea Pro Gold (the one Vijay uses) is IMO the easiest of all the Adams to hit.  Stupid forgiving.

Tim

[gsteitz]

PreppySlapCut, on 09 March 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No. He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro. It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

Sir, I was only trying to clarify for my knowledge. I do not know all of these heads, hence the reason for my post.

Is the marking the only difference?

[DTown3011]

PreppySlapCut, on 09 March 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No.  He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro.  It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

With all due respect, the IDEA Pro Tour Issue is not identical to the retail model - think about it for a moment - why would Adams go through all the CAD design and trouble of designing an identical clubhead simply with different markings for Tour?  Makes no financial and R&D sense at all.

There were actually TWO versions of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue, a standard model that was lower spin and less draw-biased than the retail model and also an even more fade biased CGmodel.  Loft designations on the bottom were the standard Tour model, loft designations at the top were the more fade biased CG.  

I used to work for a company that had an initimate relationship with the Adams Tour Department and know this to be the case.  Regardless, they are the BEST hybrids ever made.  I'm still playing a 20*/24* model.

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[BigLeftyinAZ]

Haven't tried the PNT2,but for now the A2TS is in my bag and is the best hybrid I've ever hit

[AnDrEw13]

I'm with DTown... The only hyrbid still in my bag at the moment is the original idea pro tour issue... I do like the pnt1 and I'm going to be trying another one out with the same shaft as my idea pro, as soon as the snow melts... but I've been down this road before and the idea pro comes out victorious every year!!

[woods991]

Tim Delgado, on 09 March 2010 - 01:09 AM, said:

iteachgolf, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

Overall PNT2

Agreed.  

They are not as easy to "work" as the original tour-issue Idea Pros, but they are straighter and easier to hit.

The tour-issue version of the "boxer" Idea Pro Gold (the one Vijay uses) is IMO the easiest of all the Adams to hit.  Stupid forgiving.

Tim

Can you help me with this, I am looking for the tour issue one and when searching I see no difference between the retail and tour issue.  Do they look the same?

[drpino]

GPPGolf apparently has some of the "tour" version Idea Pros left. Limited loft/shaft/flex options but I believe these are the "standard" tour-issue model: http://www.gppgolf.c...brid-ozik-altus

[anthonykim3]

another one for the idea pro tour

[bladehack]

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

PreppySlapCut, on 09 March 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No.  He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro.  It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

With all due respect, the IDEA Pro Tour Issue is not identical to the retail model - think about it for a moment - why would Adams go through all the CAD design and trouble of designing an identical clubhead simply with different markings for Tour?  Makes no financial and R&D sense at all.

There were actually TWO versions of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue, a standard model that was lower spin and less draw-biased than the retail model and also an even more fade biased CGmodel.  Loft designations on the bottom were the standard Tour model, loft designations at the top were the more fade biased CG.  

I used to work for a company that had an initimate relationship with the Adams Tour Department and know this to be the case.  Regardless, they are the BEST hybrids ever made.  I'm still playing a 20*/24* model.

I agree with the IDEA Pro Tour Issue hybrid as being their best model.  I've played the tour issue 20° and 24° for about 3 years now and finally got lucky enough to find the rare 27° to replace my 5 iron.  I have a 16° peanut V1, but I don't think it's as good as the IDEA Pro tour issue hybrids.

[rymail00]

They do look alike, except, the tour only has the loft and not the number like 3 hybrid for example, just the loft.

[LSeca]

PNT2 for me as well.

[PreppySlapCut]

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

PreppySlapCut, on 09 March 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No.  He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro.  It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

With all due respect, the IDEA Pro Tour Issue is not identical to the retail model - think about it for a moment - why would Adams go through all the CAD design and trouble of designing an identical clubhead simply with different markings for Tour?  Makes no financial and R&D sense at all.

There were actually TWO versions of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue, a standard model that was lower spin and less draw-biased than the retail model and also an even more fade biased CGmodel.  Loft designations on the bottom were the standard Tour model, loft designations at the top were the more fade biased CG.  

I used to work for a company that had an initimate relationship with the Adams Tour Department and know this to be the case.  Regardless, they are the BEST hybrids ever made.  I'm still playing a 20*/24* model.

Time out lol.  Do you honestly think that I've spent the better part of a decade on these forums and still need the lecture? (that was rhetorical and in jest)  I meant identical in appearance except for the loft designation.  When I said tour issue version I was stating that it was different than the retail model.  I apologize for not clarifying further.

[TCMP]

I love the Peanut Version 1

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[Gehly]

tour issue A7:
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[Irishputter]

Just to clarify which club the "IDEA Pro Tour" is that you guys love....can someone please post a photo of the crown and the sole. Thanks.

[eruption]

I've been using Adams Hybrids since the original Idaea Pros with Black Gold(Irons)/Adila VS Protos(Hybrids) came out.

These original Idea Pro hybrids are still in my bag.  I have since gone from the Idea Pro irons, to the Pro Golds and finally to the A4 irons and tried their "matching" hybrids head to head with the originals.  The originals still perfromed best for me.  In fact, no clubs have EVER stayed in my bag as long as them and my 9015d driver.

I haven't tried any of their "Tour Issue" stuff so no idea how they would match up against those hybrids.

Kevin

[muxi87]

hands down--9031 Pro Black

No other hybrid has the versatility and shot-making capabilities of an iron like the 9031 pro black does.

Not only that, but on full swings, it just begs to be hit on a straight, boring trajectory.

[br61]

Gee, Adams has so many good hybrids. Right now, I'm having trouble deciding between my PNT2, 9031SF and original Pro Hybrids. I guess having too many good clubs can't be bad!

Edited by br61, 11 March 2010 - 10:51 AM.

[liugolfer]

Am I the only one who likes the pro gold's with the boxxer? Then again, I haven't hit any other.

Edited by liugolfer, 18 March 2010 - 09:23 PM.

[PreppySlapCut]

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

PreppySlapCut, on 09 March 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No.  He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro.  It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

With all due respect, the IDEA Pro Tour Issue is not identical to the retail model - think about it for a moment - why would Adams go through all the CAD design and trouble of designing an identical clubhead simply with different markings for Tour?  Makes no financial and R&D sense at all.

There were actually TWO versions of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue, a standard model that was lower spin and less draw-biased than the retail model and also an even more fade biased CGmodel.  Loft designations on the bottom were the standard Tour model, loft designations at the top were the more fade biased CG.  

I used to work for a company that had an initimate relationship with the Adams Tour Department and know this to be the case.  Regardless, they are the BEST hybrids ever made.  I'm still playing a 20*/24* model.

D, do you feel the Idea Pro is superior to the A3 Boxer Pro in the 18/19 degree hybrid?  I noticed you've played both, and would be curious as to the pros and cons.  Thanks

[jowwy]

liugolfer, on 18 March 2010 - 09:22 PM, said:

Am I the only one who likes the pro gold's with the boxxer? Then again, I haven't hit any other.

no - i have the pro golds with the boxer and its mustard!!!!!!!!

[jrshields3]

Idea Pro. Can't be beat for me.

[DTown3011]

PreppySlapCut, on 19 March 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

PreppySlapCut, on 09 March 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

gsteitz, on 09 March 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

DTown3011, on 09 March 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

Original IDEA Pro Tour. NOTHING that Adams has put out since has topped the performance of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue.

Are you referring to the PNT 1 (all silver model)?

No.  He is, as he said, referring to the Idea Pro Tour, or the tour-issued version of the Idea Pro.  It is identical to the retail version but has the loft designation on the sole instead of the club it was designed to replace.

With all due respect, the IDEA Pro Tour Issue is not identical to the retail model - think about it for a moment - why would Adams go through all the CAD design and trouble of designing an identical clubhead simply with different markings for Tour?  Makes no financial and R&D sense at all.

There were actually TWO versions of the IDEA Pro Tour Issue, a standard model that was lower spin and less draw-biased than the retail model and also an even more fade biased CGmodel.  Loft designations on the bottom were the standard Tour model, loft designations at the top were the more fade biased CG.  

I used to work for a company that had an initimate relationship with the Adams Tour Department and know this to be the case.  Regardless, they are the BEST hybrids ever made.  I'm still playing a 20*/24* model.

D, do you feel the Idea Pro is superior to the A3 Boxer Pro in the 18/19 degree hybrid?  I noticed you've played both, and would be curious as to the pros and cons.  Thanks

The added forgiveness that the A3 Boxer Pro provides over the original IDEA Pro isn't needed IMO and I find the Boxer to have a bit more left in it on occasion.  I think both are great clubs but I don't find the IDEA Pro to be unforgiving in any way, so the Boxer IMO isn't overly necessary for the lower lofts.

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