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Posted 20 December 2009 - 11:47 AM

Hello,
A local customer came into my shop yesterday with a Fujikura Rombax 5X07 stiff shaft he bought on eBay from eBay seller "firstgolf" for $90. This shaft was a very good fake.
Some things to look for:
The serial number was very slightly angled.
There was a gray basecoat under the tip after the gold paint was prepped away.
The butt sticker had blue stripes on each end . Fujikura uses red stripes for stiff.
The graphics were excellent but very slightly raised when you run your hand over them.
The cpms were 231. Stiff should be around 250 in that shaft.
He got some type of senior flex $3 shaft that was repainted.
***Note to the wise. If someone is selling a brand new Rombax shaft on eBay make sure they are a Fujikura Dealer. The Rombax shaft costs way more than $90 for even  the highest ranked Fujikura Diamond Dealers.
Thanks,
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Posted 20 December 2009 - 11:50 AM

Thanks for the heads up.
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Posted 20 December 2009 - 11:53 AM

There were ones for 149.00---advertised as new uncut @ 44"---talk about a RED Flag !!!
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 07:30 PM

Following along this warning had me re-think a purchase on Ebay from the following seller:

Skywind75 (524)100%

He has many new uncut 46" Fujikura shafts for $119.95 or $109.95 which seems low...

Too good to be true? Did he fool 524 people? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 08:00 PM

New Rombax shafts should have serial numbers laser engraved under the model number......
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 08:13 PM

Thanks for the notice, I was close to ordering one at that price, who wouldn't.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 08:35 PM

How about this one?  Over 8000 Positive feedbacks and the Voodoo looks tempting...should I beware?

http://cgi.ebay.com/...olf...=10&ps=63

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 09:12 PM

View Postjlam1127, on Dec 22 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

How about this one?  Over 8000 Positive feedbacks and the Voodoo looks tempting...should I beware?

http://cgi.ebay.com/...olf...=10&ps=63


I recently nabbed a legit CB3 FW off them, look forward to seeing your shaft question answered.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 11:01 PM

Does anyone know how these fake shafts are done???  ...how are they created or manufactured??

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 11:08 PM

SAME WITH SCOTTY CAMERON..beware of buying NEW scotty camerons on ebay..even brand new for 199.99 is too good to be true..


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Posted 22 December 2009 - 07:04 AM

I have heard "Willpga" on ebay is legit but he is selling Rombax V, W, and X series for $110 ea new un-cut.  If you look in his ebay store every Fuji shaft he sells says "Tour Issue".  Even the Motore F1 for $80, come on this is FISHY!  :angry:
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 07:50 AM

If I am not mistaken Rombax and Motore' are to be sold installed only..
So I would be careful of any of them sold new..

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 08:04 AM

View Postbirdman69, on Dec 22 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

I have heard "Willpga" on ebay is legit but he is selling Rombax V, W, and X series for $110 ea new un-cut.  If you look in his ebay store every Fuji shaft he sells says "Tour Issue".  Even the Motore F1 for $80, come on this is FISHY!  :angry:


"Tour Issue" might explain how he sells them new when others have to sell them installed

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 08:41 AM

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I have heard "Willpga" on ebay is legit
I brought 2 yes! Tracy putters from this dealer on ebay one 35" and one 33", i would buy from him again. getting a lot of good use out of the 35" could supply pictures if you like in a new thread. Maybe might motivate me to do a WITB post.

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The cpms were 231. Stiff should be around 250 in that shaft.
He got some type of senior flex $3 shaft that was repainted
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that's just sad. total nothing shaft, i am guessing it makes for a pretty expensive alignment aid other wise referred to as a stick.

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Only buy from power sellers with large amount of total sales  
Very high feedback 99% - read all negative feed back to see why and how it was handled
Do a quick search on the net for any additional information you can find on the seller
Preferred purchasing from business golf store, with contact details.    

my check list is pretty strict but buying as a international with around $50+ postage its not worth taking the risk for a slightly better deal.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:00 AM

View Postbirdman69, on Dec 22 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

I have heard "Willpga" on ebay is legit but he is selling Rombax V, W, and X series for $110 ea new un-cut. If you look in his ebay store every Fuji shaft he sells says "Tour Issue". Even the Motore F1 for $80, come on this is FISHY! :angry:

I've just purchased a "tour issue" matrix ozik xcon 6 x stiff shaft from "Willpga" The payment should be going through tomorrow, then I've got a week or so wait until it arrives in the UK. I will get it checked by a specialist to see if it is in fact genuine.
I've been told by a couple of Golf WRX members that I should have no reason to be wary of Willpga as they have bought from him before.

Pics of the shaft are here if anyone wants a look http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showim...,0&format=0


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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:05 AM

View Postmagnus7319, on Dec 21 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Following along this warning had me re-think a purchase on Ebay from the following seller:

Skywind75 (524)100%

He has many new uncut 46" Fujikura shafts for $119.95 or $109.95 which seems low...

Too good to be true? Did he fool 524 people? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
100% positive feedback on EBay is not an adequate indicator. The way these counterfeiters work takes advantage of the very nature that drives buyers to the 'too good to be true' pricing to begin with. The buyer wants a bargain and doesn't want to pay the retail rate for a product. He checks the feedback rating, notices the picture looks ok, then makes the buy. If the buyer doesn't know what to look for, they will assume they got a great buy - and leaves positive feedback. In those rare instances where the buyer has access to someone who does  know what to look for, they simply end up returning the counterfeit product to the seller. EBay and Paypal do not do anything to stop this practice, as they require the buyer to return the product as a condition of getting a refund. When this happens, there is no physical evidence for law enforcement or the manufacturer's legal staff to take action. The counterfeiters know that bargain hunters will not give up their money in the name of doing a publc service and turning over the counterfeit product to law enforcement or the manufacturers legal department - who wants to be out $$?

The solution to this is simple, but rarely ever put into action. Buy from businesses that can prove they are authorized dealers of the product up for sale. If the purchase is through EBay, ask for documentation from the seller that will prove they are an authorized retailer of the product. If the seller provides a business name, look up the contact info on the product manufacturers site (or call the manufacturer, not all sites have full dealer lists) and call the business to see if they are the EBay seller.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:20 AM

Any reason I should be concerned with an older Rombax sold as new? It's only $30 but would be good to be sure before paying to have it installed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=280438866969

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:46 AM

View Postbryanr, on Dec 22 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

Any reason I should be concerned with an older Rombax sold as new? It's only $30 but would be good to be sure before paying to have it installed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=280438866969

I wouldn't be concerned about that shaft. Counterfeiters want to maximize their profits so they tend to stick to the most popular brands and models. That shaft, although high end, is likely not popular enough to make it worth the counterfeiters effort.

FYI, it's not really an older model. They just have not updated the paint scheme like the others. Great shaft by the way (see my signature).
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 10:10 AM

View Postmarrigo, on Dec 22 2009, 09:46 AM, said:

View Postbryanr, on Dec 22 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

Any reason I should be concerned with an older Rombax sold as new? It's only $30 but would be good to be sure before paying to have it installed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=280438866969

I wouldn't be concerned about that shaft. Counterfeiters want to maximize their profits so they tend to stick to the most popular brands and models. That shaft, although high end, is likely not popular enough to make it worth the counterfeiters effort.

FYI, it's not really an older model. They just have not updated the paint scheme like the others. Great shaft by the way (see my signature).

Thanks! Yeah, I've been looking at all options to reshaft my 909H 19. I'd had my eye on the 904HB as well and just recently read about the 8D07HB. When I saw the listing I figured I could get a good price since it's not on most people's radar like the Thumper or Altus. Looks like a good seller, it's the only Rombax he had for sale. Already shipped, too. Just wanted to check if there were any red flags before getting it installed.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 11:08 AM

I got in touch with Willpga and had a conversation about some shafts, although not a Fuji dealer he seemed to know a bit more than average and did everything possible to help including getting me some pics of the bottom of the barcode on the butt of the shaft in question.  The new pics he put up on the auction show the matching serial #s on the butt of the shaft and the laser etching in the center.  Take a look at the new pics

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=370301672486

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 11:19 AM

I bought a Voodoo ($99) from GreatGolfSales in the summer and some Project X shafts ($10 each) recently and have had no trouble with them.  I didn't take the time to check the serial numbers, because they really perform and have given me no reason to think they are walmart quality pieces of junk.  Anyone else have experience with this seller?  He has a big write-up on spotting counterfeit R9s on his listing, which may not be a great indicator of him being an honest seller, but if he wasn't, why go put in the effort?
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 12:18 PM

View Postbirdman69, on Dec 22 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

I got in touch with Willpga and had a conversation about some shafts, although not a Fuji dealer he seemed to know a bit more than average and did everything possible to help including getting me some pics of the bottom of the barcode on the butt of the shaft in question.  The new pics he put up on the auction show the matching serial #s on the butt of the shaft and the laser etching in the center.  Take a look at the new pics

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=370301672486

Should the laser etched serial number be on ALL Rombax shafts, or only the X series? or Z?

I have a Rombax "W" series shaft that seems for all intents and purposes legit, but does NOT have a serial number etched there. It did have the weave pattern before installing, red stripes on label indicating "stiff", etc.

Thanks for anyone that would know!

Cheers,
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:14 PM

View Postbirdman69, on Dec 22 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

I got in touch with Willpga and had a conversation about some shafts, although not a Fuji dealer he seemed to know a bit more than average and did everything possible to help including getting me some pics of the bottom of the barcode on the butt of the shaft in question.  The new pics he put up on the auction show the matching serial #s on the butt of the shaft and the laser etching in the center.  Take a look at the new pics

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=370301672486
So, not an Authorized Fuji dealer? Yet, he is selling 'Tour Issue' shafts? How is this possible? What makes this 'Tour Issue'? Buyer's are supposed to assume he 'knows' someone at Fuji who is supplying this stuff? Or, he is getting it off of a Tour Van of some sort? Falling off a truck somewhere? Raises more questions than it answers.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:22 PM

View Postchipaputt, on Dec 20 2009, 08:47 AM, said:

Hello,
A local customer came into my shop yesterday with a Fujikura Rombax 5X07 stiff shaft he bought on eBay from eBay seller "firstgolf" for $90. This shaft was a very good fake.
Some things to look for:
The serial number was very slightly angled.
There was a gray basecoat under the tip after the gold paint was prepped away.
The butt sticker had blue stripes on each end . Fujikura uses red stripes for stiff.
The graphics were excellent but very slightly raised when you run your hand over them.
The cpms were 231. Stiff should be around 250 in that shaft.
He got some type of senior flex $3 shaft that was repainted.
***Note to the wise. If someone is selling a brand new Rombax shaft on eBay make sure they are a Fujikura Dealer. The Rombax shaft costs way more than $90 for even the highest ranked Fujikura Diamond Dealers.
Thanks,
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:58 PM

View PostBilly Barou, on Dec 22 2009, 12:18 PM, said:

View Postbirdman69, on Dec 22 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

I got in touch with Willpga and had a conversation about some shafts, although not a Fuji dealer he seemed to know a bit more than average and did everything possible to help including getting me some pics of the bottom of the barcode on the butt of the shaft in question.  The new pics he put up on the auction show the matching serial #s on the butt of the shaft and the laser etching in the center.  Take a look at the new pics

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=370301672486

Should the laser etched serial number be on ALL Rombax shafts, or only the X series? or Z?

I have a Rombax "W" series shaft that seems for all intents and purposes legit, but does NOT have a serial number etched there. It did have the weave pattern before installing, red stripes on label indicating "stiff", etc.

Thanks for anyone that would know!

Cheers,
Kev

They only recently started laser inscribing serial numbers on the shafts. Even if it's "new" (ie not used)  it may be old enough to not have a serial number. I've got a W series with updated paint scheme that does not have the serial number on it. It was  a pull however so probably one of the first ones after they updated the paint scheme.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 03:15 PM

Thanks for the info, marrigo

I also have an updated paint scheme "W" shaft, but without the serial number etched. Good to know that it is not necessarily a bogus shaft by not having it there.

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 04:45 AM

just nabbed a speeder for hella cheap (18 dollars shipped)


if it's real I just scored

if it's fake he didn't make too much off me




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