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#1 dannyboy123

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 04:43 PM

What is the difference between the two types of callaway wedges. Is the jaws type replacing the x forged??? Has anybody used both types? I notice that the jaws wedges have more bounce, is this noticable over the x forged. 13 seems high for a 60 degree wedge.


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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:29 PM

I believe...
Cally X Forged-U groove
Jaws-             V groove

Other than that I know nothing.
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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:35 PM

Bounce means very little with the correct grinds on a wedge.  13* might read high, but set it down, then set it open, you will be pleased.
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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:56 PM

 rymail00, on Nov 29 2009, 05:29 PM, said:

I believe...
Cally X Forged-U groove
Jaws-             V groove

Other than that I know nothing.

They both have the exact same Mack Daddy grooves.  Nobody is making V groove wedges yet except for the Vokey CoC wedges.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 06:27 PM

1-Even though the bounce number stamped on the sole is high, the actual playing bounce / effective bounce is not that high because of the thinner sole.  So don't be totally turned off by the number stamped on the club.

2-JAWS wedges ALL have the MD groove, there is no option.

3-X-Forged wedges have MD grooves and non-MD grooves available depending on the loft / sole / bounce.

4-NONE of them would be conforming under the new rules that apply to you if you plan to play a PGA Tour event.

5-SHAPE, they do have different shapes to them, totally personal preference as to which you prefer.

6-The vintage finish differs between the two models.

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 11:10 AM

Does anybody know if the vintage finish on the jaws is designed to rust?? It looks alot darker than the x forged vintage finish. Would you guys think that the jaws would preform as good or better than the x forged?? Also the jaws clubs seem to have higher bounce is that because of the different grind on the sole??
For some reason the jaws are cheaper than the x forged over here in the uk, so if they are newer and perform the same or better they must be the ones to go for right?

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 02:59 PM

From Callaway's web site

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Your vintage finish Callaway Golf X Series JAWS Wedges or X-Forged Wedges are raw, meaning that the carbon steel is not plated. With time and use, your vintage wedges will rust, which will add roughness to increase spin and provide a non-glare surface. A raw, rusty finish is the condition that many top professionals prefer. As the forged carbon steel of your vintage wedge oxidizes, it will rust in a way that complements the sound and feel inherent in the metal, while also reflecting the personality of each user. You can promote this process by simply putting your wedges into play and enjoying them, then wiping them clean and dry immediately after each use


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Posted 01 December 2009 - 10:55 AM

which model / grind would be best for a digger?

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 09:48 PM

 terrytcl, on Dec 1 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

which model / grind would be best for a digger?


too much bounce on the Jaws.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 09:45 PM

 Zunes, on Dec 1 2009, 09:48 PM, said:

 terrytcl, on Dec 1 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

which model / grind would be best for a digger?


too much bounce on the Jaws.

if you're a digger you'd want more bounce. The effective bounce on the Jaws isn't too bad as they all have narrow soles.


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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:09 PM

I think the X-forged wedges are the best I have ever played and when I saw the new Jaws wedges last month I was extremely disappointed.  That being said, if I were purchasing new wedges and did not care about conforming grooves, I would buy the X-Forged for sure.
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Posted 03 December 2009 - 12:58 PM

 wonderbred2nded, on Dec 2 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

 Zunes, on Dec 1 2009, 09:48 PM, said:

 terrytcl, on Dec 1 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

which model / grind would be best for a digger?


too much bounce on the Jaws.

if you're a digger you'd want more bounce. The effective bounce on the Jaws isn't too bad as they all have narrow soles.

Something I just posted in another thread which might be helpful here too.


I just bought an X-forged with 11 degrees of bounce. The leading edge sits higher than the Jaws wedge that has 13 degrees of bounce. The Jaws has a C grind with a narrow sole that greatly reduces effective bounce.

Bounce angle is only one third of the equation when trying to determine effective bounce. The other two variables are sole width and sole grind.

How far the leading edge sits off the ground is the first thing you want to look at to determine effective bounce. How much surface area that comes into contact with the ground is the second thing you want to look at.

Like everything else in the golf industry there is no standard way to measure bounce angle either. One company's 13 might be another companies 11.

I hope this helps people from getting too hung up on numbers.

Edited by JASONR5, 03 December 2009 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 27 December 2009 - 12:09 AM

I know the X-forged spins a ton, how does JAWS compare???
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Posted 27 December 2009 - 12:37 AM

They should be just about the same.  The grooves are identical.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:50 PM

I have both, the X-Forged and the Jaws in 52* & 58*. When I place the X-Forged and Jaws side by side, the Jaws set's lower to the ground than the X-Forged and the X-Forged has less bounce. Figure that!


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Posted 27 December 2009 - 02:44 PM

 Golfdoctor, on Dec 27 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

I have both, the X-Forged and the Jaws in 52* & 58*. When I place the X-Forged and Jaws side by side, the Jaws set's lower to the ground than the X-Forged and the X-Forged has less bounce. Figure that!

The width of the sole has just as much to do with how high the leading edge sits than with the angle of the bounce.

I can't stress enough that its about effective bounce and not some arbitrary angle number stamped on the club.

Edited by JASONR5, 27 December 2009 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 27 December 2009 - 05:23 PM

The Jaws are more narrow from toe to heel as well.  Have not seen that mentioned yet.  Also, the pros will be playing the JAWS with COC grooves.

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 06:15 PM

So has anyone played both yet? What is your opinion? Comparing to other brands?

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 09:00 PM

I hit both of them on the range in early november of this year, with range balls then some prov's. I was playing most of the shots as just flups from 5 to 25 yards. I had my personal x forged 60, and I took the Jaws 60 in vintage to hit shots. My wedge is chrome, and had a cord grip on it. Only difference. I hit the range balls first, and I could make them spin on the grin, you could tell by the stripes. But they would release 4 or 5 feet, while the prov's would mostly just hop and stop.

I could really tell no difference in the two, and the bounce on the Jaws wedges is just number.

Both are good wedges, and I would be glad to play with either set.
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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:10 AM

Some player told me the had lost Distance with the Jaws. Is that possible?


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Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:34 AM

Let me hear your opinins.



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Posted 15 May 2010 - 12:38 PM

Couldn't agree MORE with JASON05.

At first glance, the bounce on the Jaws wedges seem very high (16* on some, which is at the high end of the Vokey or Cleveland offerings).

However, the EFFECTIVE bounce on JAWS wedges are much lower, given the C-Grind.  By design, it throws the measure off.

It's almost as if the JAWS wedges should be considered variable bounce, or whatever, as that's one of the thoughts behind the grind design.

This based on a couple of discussions with the pro at the store, and independently verified through the online chat feature with the guys at shop.callaway.com.

Any articles you read / google for 'bounce' are written from the perspective that doesn't incorporate the c-grind - which is a HUGE part of the JAWS design.
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