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ORIGINAL PING ANSER


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#1 KingOAces

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 09:59 PM

Does anyone know what finishes were offered and what the styles were for the ORIGINAL Ping Anser? I happened to come across one in extremely good condition. It has what looks like a 3x Black finish which i thought was what set it apart from other's i've seen. Also in the cavity, it says at the top KARSTEN as opposed to KARSTEN MFG. CORP in other's i've seen. This is the first putter i have owned that has a sound slot and boy does it make a massive difference. Any PING ANSER experts out there know what I got?
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 07:51 PM

I have some pics of the putter to give everyone a better idea.

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Different words in cavity
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Anyone seen this finish?
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Sound Slot: I've seen this in a couple
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Hope this helps! THANKS

KinG

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 08:05 PM

bgrace@bobbygraceputters.com

e-mail bobby, he is the expert.  Had a beautiful color book a few years ago that had all of pings putters and forged irons in it.  I don't think he publishes it anymore, but he may answer you.  Definitely knows more than ping since most of their historians are retired or passed away that could go back to the original stuff.

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 08:09 PM

I don't know the specifics, but this is a retail Manganeze Bronze that had the antiqued finish.  I think the black finish was the result of some baking process to age the putter quicker, but was supposed to be very durable (face was buffed/ground/finished afterwards).  These were in stores during the late 90's, or at least the 97-98 range.  Let us know if you find out any more.

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 08:39 PM

great! thanks beuro. Was the sound slot also standard in this? I will definately let you know what i find out from Bobby Grace when he return my e mail.

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 08:46 PM

I believe that the sound slot was standard (seem to be more slotting of the MgBz versus other materials), though when it comes to earlier Ping putters--not a lot of standardizations--and I mean that in the good way.  Back when beryllium was kosher they did a lot of unofficial runs in different metals, and with the WRX department, much was customizable too (site-lines on Scottsdales, etc).  That's what makes Ping collecting fun, you never know what's out there, and it turns out that Mr. Karsten knew a thing or two about making a solid putter. ;)
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 12:04 PM

I recently played with a guy who had that same putter and I was wondering what model that was too.

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Posted 23 May 2006 - 03:58 PM

I'd have to agree with Beruo. Just from what I could tell it looks like the antique finish bronze Anser. The sound slot would just be specific to that model. I have a Anser 3 in the antique finish, has a sightline, and I believe it just says Karsten in the cavity. No sound slot though.

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Posted 23 May 2006 - 05:58 PM

Ya. I tried to get some dust out of the cavity with my nail and i scratched it a little and i can see the goldish finish a little. Anyone have any idea how to refinish it when the finish starts getting faded?

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Posted 23 May 2006 - 10:24 PM

I believe what you've got is as was stated, a more recent vintage Anser. The original Anser's from the 60's and 70's were an unfinished Mangenese Bronze that aged and patina'd over time. I' ve had several older Ansers and have 2 now.

That said I always liked the finish on the one you've got and I like the slot. Just gives it a different sound and feel.

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Posted 24 May 2006 - 01:09 AM

Nice loking putter, it made me run down to the vault to stroke my anser collection.  Your putter looks closest to one that I have, same finish and face look but mine has the TI Pixel laid into it from a few years back.  I would guess that yours is modern, but mabe a tester for the finish eventually used on the Anser F.
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Posted 24 May 2006 - 08:22 AM

View PostKingOAces, on May 23 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

Ya. I tried to get some dust out of the cavity with my nail and i scratched it a little and i can see the goldish finish a little. Anyone have any idea how to refinish it when the finish starts getting faded?

KinG


I don't think those were supposed to be refinished. Mine is very dull. Love the look of it. You can take a Scotch Brite to the face to bring back the shine there. And I use a Q-tip to clean out the cavity. But as far as the rest goes, I'd call Ping and see what they say.

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Posted 24 May 2006 - 11:17 AM

Yeah, I believe it's a mid-to-late '90's putter. I have the same one and I posted the same exact question on here several months back and got the same replies. I even called Ping and they told me that it's a good bet that it is a mid-to-late '90's putter as well although they couldn't be 100% sure because there's no serial number. Pongman confirmed this as well. I say mid-to-late '90's as well. I got mine from a local golf shop that was going out of business for $15. I figured if it wasn't worth anything I'd get my money out of it after the first round! Simp

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 03:20 PM

I actually have 2 of them exactly the same as yours, but with the Manganese Bronze finish, although overtime it gets darker but not black at all as yours, i bought them new when me and my brother start to play, like 16 years ago, seing yours i guess it was refinished with blak zinc or oxyde and it sure looks better than the ones i have. I would like to refinish the ones i got so if you have any suggestion i`ll take it

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 07:14 AM

The Anser pictured in this thread is a late 90s production run model.  The finish is an antique finish to emulate patina.  this is not a special putter but an OTR.  I have no idea why Ping would grind the face smooth on this putter as I thought the finish was nice.  

Anyway, the original Ansers did not have any finish applied to them to make them appear vintage or aged.  The finish was a simple tumbled finish that Ping used to employ.  Regarding the scratch, I would recommend taking a black or brown sharpie and covering it up.  As for Bobby Grace, I agree that he is a tremendous source of information regarding Ping putters.  I contacted him in 2001 regarding a Dalehead Anser I had and he restored  the putter and tried to correct a finishing faux pas that Ping did to the putter.  Bobby is a great person to contact and he knows putters, especially Ping putters.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 10:57 AM

I have a Bronze Anser with the sound slot...  What is the theory behind that???

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 12:00 PM

I had a My Day from the late 90's that looked just like this.  That antiquated finish scratched in no time flat, so I just scraped it all off with some Brasso and a brillo pad.  

I wish Ping would just go back to their original finishes, actually.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:01 PM

View PostWRXJIM, on Aug 2 2007, 09:57 AM, said:

I have a Bronze Anser with the sound slot...  What is the theory behind that???

um ... that you have a Ping putter that was made between 1966 and the early 2000s?  Without pictures it is difficult to speculate what Anser you have based on this very descriptive post.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 05:48 PM

View PostRobotDoctor, on Aug 2 2007, 03:01 PM, said:

View PostWRXJIM, on Aug 2 2007, 09:57 AM, said:

I have a Bronze Anser with the sound slot...  What is the theory behind that???

um ... that you have a Ping putter that was made between 1966 and the early 2000s?  Without pictures it is difficult to speculate what Anser you have based on this very descriptive post.

Was only asking what the theory is behind the slot through the base... But seen as you need more description here it is ;)

Thanks for any info :D  I really like the feel, and didnt realise it was anything "semi special" Just a nice putter :russian_roulette:

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 08:03 PM

I did not know whether you were speaking of the putter itself or the sound slot.  The whole purpose of the slot is to produce a certain pitch.  Some believe that the slot aids in feel but the primary purpose was to produce a certain sound when putter meets ball.  The closer the sound slot, or floating face, to the face, the higher the pitch.  Consequently, the further away from the slot is cut from the face the duller, or lower, the pitch.

I had a Dalehead Anser, 3rd version of the Anser made around 1968-1969, and really did not prefer the slot.  I owned a Cameron Catalina in the mid 90s and prefered that putter (no slot) due to the sound, or lack of pitch, that was produced when putter met ball.  Some people really love the slot and that is a good thing!


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 08:36 PM

Thanks ;)  I like it, have only played one round with it so far though...

Was good on th eslow Muni course here in New York, as apposed to my light Daiwa.

Thanks again

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 11:00 PM

View PostWRXJIM, on Aug 2 2007, 07:36 PM, said:

Thanks ;)  I like it, have only played one round with it so far though...

Was good on th eslow Muni course here in New York, as apposed to my light Daiwa.

Thanks again

You're welcome!  Enjoy the Anser and putt well.  If you really get the bug for the Anser, I would recommend that you find a Dalehead Anser (85029 zip code with sloping toe/heal weights).  This is a tremendous putter and is cast from the same mold as the highly sought after Scottsdale Anser of 1966.  

As you can see from other manufacturers, the Anser, specifically the Scottsdale Anser, is probably the most copied putter ever.  Karsten Solheim was pure genius in the design of this putter.  IMO, this putter is probably the most significant design ever.  While I am a great fan of the 8802 styled putter and game a putter of this style, the Anser has done more for golf and putting than any other putter I believe.




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