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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:39 AM

USGA Conforming Iron Search Page

Edited by NPVWhiz, 24 November 2009 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:18 AM

Thanks, I had a look but it does not seem that user friendly. It did highlight the full impact this rule change had made in terms of person hours worldwide! (All these models, all these tests, plus manufacturing redesigns and retooling)

Surely it would have made more sense to introduce the new and let the old die a natural death! Information suggests the tour pro's ware out their wedges in around 4 months and in most cases they change iron model once every two seasons. So in a couple of seasons everyone at the elite level would be conforming without all of this hassle.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 08:35 AM

Still a lot of brands not there.  And the markings are piss poor, unlike the driver database where they have photos.

ATR?  Additional testing required?  Seriously?

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 08:41 AM

Looks like I've got an excuse for some new clubs next spring not that I'll be playing in any tourneys, but the wife won't know the difference... That's all the rule is good for to me :)

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:04 AM

Interesting. My Srixon i701 Tours conform?  Personally thought they had more aggressive grooves than my Ping i3+'s.  Oh well, guess I better start practicing so I can play on Tour next year.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:11 AM

We should make a petition that makes the USGA non-conforming.  That database is a joke...poorly made and they had all that time to work on it.  "Additional Testing Required"?  Does that mean that the grooves were conforming but the ball spun too much still so the USGA has to make a ruling and pull one out the @ss?

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:15 AM

681 is not listed. Does this mean 680 should be used for conformity confirmation?

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:17 AM

Thanks for the link.

Like the above, I am alittle confused on the 'ATR,' notation.
Ex: I searched 'Titleist 735cm'...It seems as though the 4-iron IS conforming, but the 7-iron and PW still have 'ATR.'  Not sure how this could be. Looks like they would take one set at a time and test each club (4, 7, PW) then move on to the next.

My question is how can the 4 iron pass but the other two possibly fail?  :blink:


...Not that it matters to me (my wife wont fall for the 'I have to get new clubs becuase its the rules' haha)


EDIT: I should have made it clear that I was speaking about the 735cm FSS, not the standard OEM ones.

Edited by mtsmith, 24 November 2009 - 09:19 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:17 AM

Stage,

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:25 AM

View Postmtsmith, on Nov 24 2009, 10:17 AM, said:

Thanks for the link.

Like the above, I am alittle confused on the 'ATR,' notation.
Ex: I searched 'Titleist 735cm'...It seems as though the 4-iron IS conforming, but the 7-iron and PW still have 'ATR.' Not sure how this could be. Looks like they would take one set at a time and test each club (4, 7, PW) then move on to the next.

My question is how can the 4 iron pass but the other two possibly fail? :blink:


...Not that it matters to me (my wife wont fall for the 'I have to get new clubs becuase its the rules' haha)


EDIT: I should have made it clear that I was speaking about the 735cm FSS, not the standard OEM ones.

On the 4 iron comment: I believe the new rule only matters to iron heads that are 25* and above.

So if a 4 iron is 24* (maybe even 25* not sure) it can have the old grooves, I think... I could be 100% wrong though.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 09:29 AM

View Postrymail00, on Nov 24 2009, 08:25 AM, said:

View Postmtsmith, on Nov 24 2009, 10:17 AM, said:

Thanks for the link.

Like the above, I am alittle confused on the 'ATR,' notation.
Ex: I searched 'Titleist 735cm'...It seems as though the 4-iron IS conforming, but the 7-iron and PW still have 'ATR.' Not sure how this could be. Looks like they would take one set at a time and test each club (4, 7, PW) then move on to the next.

My question is how can the 4 iron pass but the other two possibly fail? :blink:


...Not that it matters to me (my wife wont fall for the 'I have to get new clubs becuase its the rules' haha)


EDIT: I should have made it clear that I was speaking about the 735cm FSS, not the standard OEM ones.

On the 4 iron comment: I believe the new rule only matters to iron heads that are 25* and above.

So if a 4 iron is 24* (maybe even 25* not sure) it can have the old grooves, I think... I could be 100% wrong though.


Oh yeah, I beleive I remember something along those lines. Thanks.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:08 AM

interesting, it looks like the ap2 version 2 is nonconforming...also nike has a bunch new conforming irons on there ive never heard of...

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:28 AM

View Postsbguard9, on Nov 24 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

interesting, it looks like the ap2 version 2 is nonconforming...also nike has a bunch new conforming irons on there ive never heard of...

Just so nobody is confused, the AP2, sold at retail in 2009, along with the new 710 AP2 that is about to be sold at retail in 2010, are both conforming.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:36 AM

I checked, and I discovered that this new groove rule thing couldn't be more annoying.

In that sense it's perfect.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:40 AM

theres a ping 13+ 9 iron that is "atr" however the rest of the set are non conforming. This really is ballsed up. Good old quality control has done that :)

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:40 AM

View Postsbguard9, on Nov 24 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

interesting, it looks like the ap2 version 2 is nonconforming...also nike has a bunch new conforming irons on there ive never heard of...

Note:  The AP2 version 2 listed as non-conforming is not the new AP2 (710 series) that was recently introduced to golf shops.  AP2 version 2 as listed was a Tour-only prototype that featured a different scoreline (U grooves) than the original AP2 (listed as AP2 version 1).  Please let me know if you have any questions, but all 710 series irons (AP1, AP2, CB and MB) conform.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:46 AM

View Poststage1350, on Nov 24 2009, 07:35 AM, said:

Still a lot of brands not there. And the markings are piss poor, unlike the driver database where they have photos.

ATR? Additional testing required? Seriously?

The USGA is a f**king joke.


I second that! What an F-BOMB mess! This is the finest example of "closing the barn door after the horses are out" ever!

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:48 AM

Just a heads up - It appears they are still adding to the list, as 2 sets of irons I searched for earlier that were not on the list have since been added.


Hope that helps!

Edited by MAK2525, 24 November 2009 - 10:52 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:52 AM

View PostCarloGolfer, on Nov 24 2009, 08:17 AM, said:

Stage,

Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

Sorry if it's harsh, but I'm going to call it like I see it.  The USGA has been examining this for years.  They have set the criteria.  AND they promised a database back in August.  Fast forward almost 4 months later and this piece of sh!t is all you can do?  

Not to mention the thousands of golf clubs that are no longer conforming for competition.  The USGA and R&A said that they didn't want to bifurcate the rules and yet that's exactly what they did.  They throw in a 14 year timeframe because they stepped on their d!cks when they immediately ruled all .860 COR drivers non-conforming.  This time, they are hoping that they can just screw you over slowly.  

There's no better way to teach a child the joy of golf than to DQ him in a tournament for using the (now) illegal clubs that he got from the First Tee program.  F**k you, USGA!
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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:56 AM

View Poststage1350, on Nov 24 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

View PostCarloGolfer, on Nov 24 2009, 08:17 AM, said:

Stage,

Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

Sorry if it's harsh, but I'm going to call it like I see it. The USGA has been examining this for years. They have set the criteria. AND they promised a database back in August. Fast forward almost 4 months later and this piece of sh!t is all you can do?

Not to mention the thousands of golf clubs that are no longer conforming for competition. The USGA and R&A said that they didn't want to bifurcate the rules and yet that's exactly what they did. They throw in a 14 year timeframe because they stepped on their d!cks when they immediately ruled all .860 COR drivers non-conforming. This time, they are hoping that they can just screw you over slowly.

There's no better way to teach a child the joy of golf than to DQ him in a tournament for using the (now) illegal clubs that he got from the First Tee program. F**k you, USGA!


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:44 AM

No listing for TaylorMade 300 forged irons... only one of the most popular sets ever.

   It's hard to imagine how they could've screwed this up worse.  I like having my USGA member tag on my bag, but I'm considering sending it back in protest.  I don't really want to be associated with however attacked the game with this travesty.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:55 AM

I've tried to be balanced about this, but when they've changed *how they're measuring* in midstream, not two months before the regulations go into effect, it's un-f'in-believable. I'm as happy as the next guy to get new sticks, but this is plain stupid. I'll be shocked if there isn't at least one serious lawsuit against this...

(says the guy all of whose irons and wedges just became non-conforming...)

Also, +1 on them not listing the 300s

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:57 AM

I love this:
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Yonex Co Ltd  New Cyberstar Nanov (LH)     5  View Markings  YES      YES  
  
Yonex Co Ltd  New Cyberstar Nanov (LH)     7  View Markings  YES       NO  


If one iron from a set doesn't pass and another does, that either means the club companies suck or the testing sucks. Or both.

What a bunch of boneheads.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:01 PM

Also, considering the way that the process has gone so far (if you want to even be charitable enough to call it a 'process'), what assurances do we have that irons that are *currently* on the conforming list will be on the list as of 12/31/2009?

So the recent MPs are conforming -- I buy a set of MP-33s -- and then they become non-conformant. Then what?

Oh, and if you can force yourself to read the entire introductory page (and if you can do it, without your eyes glazing over), it becomes clear that even if you have a set that's listed as conforming, you can still be held liable if they're measured and found to be out of spec; now we're relying on the QC processes of the manufacturers -- another welcome layer to this whole sh*tcake!

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:09 PM

View Poststage1350, on Nov 24 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

View PostCarloGolfer, on Nov 24 2009, 08:17 AM, said:

Stage,

Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

Sorry if it's harsh, but I'm going to call it like I see it.  The USGA has been examining this for years.  They have set the criteria.  AND they promised a database back in August.  Fast forward almost 4 months later and this piece of sh!t is all you can do?  

Not to mention the thousands of golf clubs that are no longer conforming for competition.  The USGA and R&A said that they didn't want to bifurcate the rules and yet that's exactly what they did.  They throw in a 14 year timeframe because they stepped on their d!cks when they immediately ruled all .860 COR drivers non-conforming.  This time, they are hoping that they can just screw you over slowly.  

There's no better way to teach a child the joy of golf than to DQ him in a tournament for using the (now) illegal clubs that he got from the First Tee program.  F**k you, USGA!


You are so right.  The USGA is all about growing the game supposedly.  But now some intercity kid who shows some talent will try to play in a tournament and get DQ'd because his grooves didn't conform.  Way to go USGA.

I was one of the lucky ones and was able to find my Mizuno MP-60's do conform.  Whoopdy freakin' Doo.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:10 PM

MB Smoke looks to be conforming or am I missing something? I heard they were not...

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:13 PM

I'm sort of nervous because I want to find some conforming wedges.  I didn't need to check the list to know that my X-Forged PM grooves are banned, but where to turn for new ones?

Didn't Mizuno come out with some?

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:16 PM

All of this bullxxxx to deal with a "problem" that effects less than 1% of all golfers in the world.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:24 PM

It's still a shambles. I typed in NIKE VR to see the results it returned - lots.
It seems that the Forged VR split cavity is in the ATR category. Is the USGA really incapable of measuring the loft on a 2-iron?
I'm sure they will be other anomalies thrown up by the list, but for the governing body to publish this drivel - it's an embarrassment.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 12:47 PM

View PostGolfer Gavin, on Nov 24 2009, 11:10 AM, said:

MB Smoke looks to be conforming or am I missing something? I heard they were not...

I saw the same thing.  The 6 iron in the TP MB Smoke is conforming...the TP MB Satins are ATR.   Ironically, my Bridgestone J33B blades aren't conforming.


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