211 replies to this topic

[Alefty]

Thanks for collating the ones posted so far. I can't wait for the full things. hard to find these books for a reading price. I don't want to collect em,  just read em.

[Alefty]

can anyone explain the double palm grip to me and/or with pictures? I can't make sense of the pictures in LOL.

[martinez]

Alefty, on Dec 6 2009, 11:15 AM, said:

can anyone explain the double palm grip to me and/or with pictures? I can't make sense of the pictures in LOL.

Make two fists with the side of the thumbs pressing against the index fingers' nail.

[Alefty]

martinez, on Dec 5 2009, 08:59 PM, said:

Alefty, on Dec 6 2009, 11:15 AM, said:

can anyone explain the double palm grip to me and/or with pictures? I can't make sense of the pictures in LOL.

Make two fists with the side of the thumbs pressing against the index fingers' nail.

Any overlap or anything? is this like the baseball only more in the palms?

[martinez]

Just do it as a ten finger grip with the lifeline of the right hand pushing down on the left thumbs knuckle. From there, with now a good idea of where the pressure should be etc.....you can convert it into overlap or interlock or whatever your preference.

[Alefty]

Thanks Martin, when you say down, do you mean down to the ground behind the club as the left thumb is behind the club, or do you mean towards the center of the grip?

[martinez]

Alefty, on Dec 6 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

Thanks Martin, when you say down, do you mean down to the ground behind the club as the left thumb is behind the club, or do you mean towards the center of the grip?

The right hand should push the left thumb directly into the grip regardless of the grip you take imo.

[golfbulldog]

ballhack, on Dec 5 2009, 10:17 PM, said:

GBD

Thanks for the jps man it is great to be able to read the book since it is so hard to find. I collated all the jpgs and put them together into one big pdf file. AS more pages get posted ill add them in.

Thanks for doing that - I do not have alot of tech or know-how so that is really useful.

Busy at moment so no more scanning for few weeks - glad people are enjoying Abe! When Ryder Cup comes round next time it is the little guy on the trophy that might be the centre of attention! I certainly expect there to be some rain delays which need TV filling in spots...just a small hint to the TV guys

[Dariusz J.]

An interesting PDF I've found recently when surfing in the net - just to read some more info about Abe:

 abe.pdf   2.72MB   505 downloads

Cheers

[chris_golf]

My Copy arrived!



It´s like Abe Mitchell is unlocking the Handbrake in my Swing!!!

A book for experienced players whose progress has come to a standstill!


Chris

Sorry I can´t upload pages - i am on a dial in modem 33,6 line...

[honketyhank]

Dariusz J., on Dec 11 2009, 10:12 AM, said:

An interesting PDF I've found recently when surfing in the net - just to read some more info about Abe:

abe.pdf

Cheers
Thanks Dariusz. Nice article. You never fail to have something interesting in your posts.

[Dariusz J.]

My entire pleasure, HH. Thanks for kind words.

Cheers

[Alefty]

I'd really like to read Mr. Mitchell's out of print books. If anyone have extra copies or will make photocopies please let me know.

[ej002]

phillypete, on Dec 5 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

Thanks DTS for the jpgs!!

I've only read through the chapters you have provided once, but there is a lot of good stuff in there. Particularly the stuff about the right elbow at address. Most of the other stuff I have heard before from other sources who probably got it from here, but I never thought or heard about the right elbow turning to the target.

At first when I did this it felt SUPER weird and completely wrong, but then I worked with it. By maintaining that torque in the right arm it kept the club from getting too behind in the backswing, one of my biggest problems. Something that I have fought with my entire golf life.

Taking it out to the range I found it provided great results. Before I would have to think about "pushing the block of wood" and force myself to keep the club out. With setting the right arm at address it happens automatically. One less thing to thing about, one less thing to go wrong.

Another strange thing happen as a result of this action...

I had always seen a famous (now infamous) golfer with tape on his right ring finger. This struck me as odd because I never saw any wear and tear on that area. I've had to tape other fingers because of blisters and such, but not that one.

Well wouldn't you know, I had to stop after 200 or so balls because I had a sore spot on the right ring finger. Not sure that means anything, just thought it was interesting.

I got that too.


Hey Martin, when you get back on the circuit, you should sport a SPORT COAT and KNICKERS and whoop everyone's a**.  lol

Edited by ej002, 14 December 2009 - 02:42 PM.

[downtoscratch]

eBay listing for The Essentials of Golf, Abe Mitchell

http://cgi.ebay.com/...4e#ht_500wt_965

Edited by downtoscratch, 16 December 2009 - 08:11 AM.

[Alefty]

This might be useful

http://www.scribd.com/

[djkasper]

The pdf of the various pages posted a couple posts back are blurry and unreadable/ also very small from about the 16th page on. Does anyone have an updated version?

Edited by djkasper, 21 December 2009 - 09:22 PM.

[martinez]

I have drawn some lines on this picture.....and I'm posting it to get a reaction from the 'new' Abe enthusiasts. It's a key to how I see the grip and it's role in the set of the arms and the overall muscle set of the body to 'the swing' as opposed to 'the ball'.

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[PivotDriven]

I'll try it out today.  Can you overlap when you hold it that way?

[martinez]

The left thumb over the other side of the shaft makes it uncomfortable to hit balls with......but hit some like that ten fingered...then move the thumb on top of the shaft but keep the same pressures and shape and you can overlap.

[PivotDriven]

I hit a few just now (before I saw your response).  I overlapped, but got my left hand much stronger and right much weaker - though I have been using my right hand pretty close to the photo.  What I really liked is that I didn't hit any fat - which I have been doing with my wedges, especially the first few shots.

I think that it allows me to get the club face open without thinking about it, and which I think my fat shots are a result of being shut.  It was as if there was less control in my hands which forced me to concentrate on the body movement, if that makes sense.

I want to hit more shots to be sure, but it was blowing about 40 and the range goes downwind.

[martinez]

Left thumb and index finger give the impression of a stronger left hand than it is in reality....imo.

[chris_golf]

martinez, on Dec 22 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

I have drawn some lines on this picture.....and I'm posting it to get a reaction from the 'new' Abe enthusiasts. It's a key to how I see the grip and it's role in the set of the arms and the overall muscle set of the body to 'the swing' as opposed to 'the ball'.

My version is to put the left aft side of the left thumb on the right aft side of the grip...
So i have only with the inside part of the left thumb contact with the grip.
But my key is a overly weakish right hand grip - i now try that the right grip V looks
to my left shoulder!

The set of the arms and muscles are definately different...

BTW since i grap some thoughts from Abe i have strain (muscle cat) in my lower legs, which i never felt before.

Chris

[moehogan]

Abe fans,

I received my copy of Down To Scratch yesterday from a bookseller in Australia - a Christmas gift from my wife.  I did not put it down until I read it cover to cover - what a fascinating book, a real treasure!  

Many thanks to Jerry, Martin and all of the Abe gurus for sharing this.  I think I actually now understand how the right arm is supposed to work in the backswing, something that I have been struggling with for a while.  Hopefully, there will be many other light bulbs go on as I reread and study the book and periodically impose on the masters for some clarification.

So my wife and I are reading in the family room last night while a tabloidesque account of Tiger's recent difficulties on the TV played in the background.  I get to chapter 2 and Abe starts talking about "a player making a stroke can be likened to a tiger making a spring upon his prey".  Later in the paragraph he quotes Douglas Edgar - "be a tiger".

Time to change the channel!

Best Regards,

MH

Edited by moehogan, 27 December 2009 - 08:43 PM.

[CRHgolfer]

martinez, on Dec 22 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

I have drawn some lines on this picture.....and I'm posting it to get a reaction from the 'new' Abe enthusiasts. It's a key to how I see the grip and it's role in the set of the arms and the overall muscle set of the body to 'the swing' as opposed to 'the ball'.

The biggest thing I see with his grip.  Is the use of the right hand and in particular the right trigger finger.  It seems that Abe uses more of the right palm (red circle) as opposed to the right digit (green circle).  This is something that I have been working on, but has been difficult to implement as the feeling is very different than what I have been taught.

Edited by pdobrove, 29 December 2009 - 12:54 AM.

[martinez]

pdobrove, on Dec 29 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

martinez, on Dec 22 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

I have drawn some lines on this picture.....and I'm posting it to get a reaction from the 'new' Abe enthusiasts. It's a key to how I see the grip and it's role in the set of the arms and the overall muscle set of the body to 'the swing' as opposed to 'the ball'.

The biggest thing I see with his grip.  Is the use of the right hand and in particular the right trigger finger.  It seems that Abe uses more of the right palm (red circle) as opposed to the right digit (green circle).  This is something that I have been working on, but has been difficult to implement as the feeling is very different than what I have been taught.

I thought you had been taught the red circle (I was pretty adamant on that point in Chicago )

[CRHgolfer]

martinez, on Dec 29 2009, 01:37 AM, said:

pdobrove, on Dec 29 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

martinez, on Dec 22 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

I have drawn some lines on this picture.....and I'm posting it to get a reaction from the 'new' Abe enthusiasts. It's a key to how I see the grip and it's role in the set of the arms and the overall muscle set of the body to 'the swing' as opposed to 'the ball'.

The biggest thing I see with his grip.  Is the use of the right hand and in particular the right trigger finger.  It seems that Abe uses more of the right palm (red circle) as opposed to the right digit (green circle).  This is something that I have been working on, but has been difficult to implement as the feeling is very different than what I have been taught.

I thought you had been taught the red circle (I was pretty adamant on that point in Chicago )

haha, like I said I am trying hard on that one, everything else has been very seamless, but I am truly struggling with that.  As I should have disclosed in my prior post before working with Martin every instructor I had indicated the green circle was where the grip should be.   I am heading to the dome to practice it today as I will be in Tampa to play some golf over the new year.  Here's to winning some $$ with my handicap

[martinez]

If you are having trouble with it....move the club around in the middle two fingers of the right hand until it feels natural...or at least...you can get the butt pad on the shaft.

Also, I wouldn't mind getting in some action on your side of any bets this winter, off 13 HCP ? LOL.

[dream_stryker]

pdobrove, on Dec 29 2009, 12:10 PM, said:

martinez, on Dec 29 2009, 01:37 AM, said:

pdobrove, on Dec 29 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

martinez, on Dec 22 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

I have drawn some lines on this picture.....and I'm posting it to get a reaction from the 'new' Abe enthusiasts. It's a key to how I see the grip and it's role in the set of the arms and the overall muscle set of the body to 'the swing' as opposed to 'the ball'.

The biggest thing I see with his grip.  Is the use of the right hand and in particular the right trigger finger.  It seems that Abe uses more of the right palm (red circle) as opposed to the right digit (green circle).  This is something that I have been working on, but has been difficult to implement as the feeling is very different than what I have been taught.

I thought you had been taught the red circle (I was pretty adamant on that point in Chicago )

haha, like I said I am trying hard on that one, everything else has been very seamless, but I am truly struggling with that.  As I should have disclosed in my prior post before working with Martin every instructor I had indicated the green circle was where the grip should be.   I am heading to the dome to practice it today as I will be in Tampa to play some golf over the new year.  Here's to winning some $ with my handicap

Summerfield, Bloomingdale, and Heritage Isles are all in good shape this winter.  

[PivotDriven]

Does the red circle pressure the top of the shaft or more to the right side?