Rory Vs Rickie next year on the PGA Tour?
#1
Posted 14 November 2009 - 04:24 PM
#2
Posted 14 November 2009 - 04:30 PM
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
#3
Posted 14 November 2009 - 04:46 PM
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 03:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Couldn't agree more. There are so many guys that get labeled as th "next big thing", and very few pan out. Take the four "young guns" participating in the Kiwi Challenge. Anthony K., Hunter, Camillo and Sean O. accounted for one Tour victory and only 2 top 10's in majors this year, I believe. These guys were the Rickie's and Rory's of a couple years ago. I still think there's a good chance these 4 guys still become factors long-term, but it's not a guarantee. Rory and Rickie do seem extraordinarily talented, but only time will tell. I don't expect too much from either of them next year.
#5
Posted 15 November 2009 - 08:23 PM
OpusX20, on Nov 14 2009, 04:46 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 03:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Couldn't agree more. There are so many guys that get labeled as th "next big thing", and very few pan out. Take the four "young guns" participating in the Kiwi Challenge. Anthony K., Hunter, Camillo and Sean O. accounted for one Tour victory and only 2 top 10's in majors this year, I believe. These guys were the Rickie's and Rory's of a couple years ago. I still think there's a good chance these 4 guys still become factors long-term, but it's not a guarantee. Rory and Rickie do seem extraordinarily talented, but only time will tell. I don't expect too much from either of them next year.
Rory is ready to go next season. He has been on tour for his second season and tops the race for dubai. He has a great head on his shoulders and one of the few golfers out there who doesnt need a mental coach.
UBS Hong Kong Open
2
WGC - HSBC Champions4
Volvo World Match Play Championship5T
Portugal Masters30T
Alfred Dunhill Links Championship2T
Omega European Masters7T
There is a list of his last 6 starts on the European tour which I think you will agree is some impressive reading and going by his performances in all of the majors and wgc events he will have no problem competing in the USA next year. Whenever he sorts out his putting (currently averages over 30putts a round) he will destroy fields.
#6
Posted 15 November 2009 - 08:39 PM
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
#7
Posted 15 November 2009 - 08:51 PM
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 15 2009, 07:39 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
Agree and not to mention that Rickie has already been in contention every week hes played on the PGA Tour thus far since turning pro a few weeks back. So to say he wont next year is hogwash. How many guys really come out of college and light it up early like he has? Not many.
#8
Posted 15 November 2009 - 09:22 PM
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 15 2009, 08:39 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
I'm 100% behind this assessment! Ricky is a big ?, Rory...no questions about him.
#10
Posted 15 November 2009 - 10:19 PM
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 15 2009, 08:39 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
"huh???" ..."Oh and in case you weren't aware" ....take it easy on the personal attacks Dr Bombay. One man's opinion is one man's opinion
there are a lot of europeans like Lee Westwood or Colin Montgomerie who've struggled to win the U.S. We'll see how well Mcilroy does next year.
no sense arguing about it now. Like i said it's one man's opinion
#11
Posted 15 November 2009 - 10:31 PM
AcesAZ, on Nov 15 2009, 08:51 PM, said:
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 15 2009, 07:39 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
Agree and not to mention that Rickie has already been in contention every week hes played on the PGA Tour thus far since turning pro a few weeks back. So to say he wont next year is hogwash. How many guys really come out of college and light it up early like he has? Not many.
a few guys come to mind like Matt Kuchar, Ryan Moore, Anthony Kim....who did very well in their first event/few events and then took some steps backward before succeeding again. A 2-3 event hot streak by Fowler doesn't mean he's going to be doing it every week next year
my opinion
#13
Posted 16 November 2009 - 12:57 AM
#14
Posted 16 November 2009 - 12:00 PM
#16
Posted 17 November 2009 - 11:57 PM
chewed, on Nov 17 2009, 10:02 PM, said:
i'm sure we'll see more of Mcilroy than Fowler contending.
I don't have a dog in the fight, but that's a terribly illogical (or lets just call a spade a spade and say stupid) argument. McIlroy has been a professional for over a year. Rickie has only played in 3 PGA Tour events as a pro, and made $ 571,090. Lets see what happens.
#17
Posted 18 November 2009 - 12:50 AM
MtlJeff, on Nov 15 2009, 11:19 PM, said:
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 15 2009, 08:39 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
"huh???" ..."Oh and in case you weren't aware" ....take it easy on the personal attacks Dr Bombay. One man's opinion is one man's opinion
there are a lot of europeans like Lee Westwood or Colin Montgomerie who've struggled to win the U.S. We'll see how well Mcilroy does next year.
no sense arguing about it now. Like i said it's one man's opinion
Alright, lets review the facts.
This year Rory has played 11 US PGA Tour events, and 7 times has finished in the top-20. In Europe he has played 24 events and 17 times he has finished in the top-20.
So, 24 top-20's in 35 events. Moreover, he has 16 finishes in the top-10 combining the two tours...
...and you are suggesting Rory will be "competing more for 40th" place?!?
Just your words, my friend.
How do you arrive at such a conclusion? You figure he's going to forget how to play between this year an next??
#18
Posted 18 November 2009 - 03:12 AM
This year Rory has played 11 US PGA Tour events, and 7 times has finished in the top-20. In Europe he has played 24 events and 17 times he has finished in the top-20.
So, 24 top-20's in 35 events. Moreover, he has 16 finishes in the top-10 combining the two tours..."
record in the majors 2009
Masters T20
US Open T10
British Open T47
PGA T3
i think these numbers speak for themselves.
#19
Posted 18 November 2009 - 01:51 PM
Big hype on who was better. Need i go on??
Rory is realistically the only guy on the planet that may threaten tigers no1 spot. Hes on tour barely 2yrs and leads the euro order of merit at 20 YEARS OLD!!! Last guy to do anything similar was a certain seve....
#20
Posted 18 November 2009 - 02:04 PM
if you don't think he is one of the best in the world right now with the stats posted above..... your only kidding yourself....
If he plays enough next year..... its not a matter of if he wins.... but rather how many will he win.... wouldnt surprise me a bit if he bagged a Major ..... he seems to have that rise to the occasion in him like the great ones
as for Rickie.... he has done well in the tail end of the year events- which are generally regarded as not having the strongest fields..... I think he has shown promise.... but for the last how many years how many others showed promise but some how get stuck in that middle of the pack after coming out of the gate rather quick.....
my opinion....Rory is the real deal...here to stay and be a regular force..... however, I dont see him or anyone being a actual threat to Tiger as some have implied
#21
Posted 18 November 2009 - 02:19 PM
I've seen McIlroy play since he was a 15 year old amateur and the scary thing is that he's still learning and knows there is always room for improvement.
If he could putt half as good as Tiger when the pressure is on then he will certainly be right behind Mr Woods in the world rankings before long - I just have my doubts that anyone can hole putts like Tiger does when he needs them.
By the way, perhaps this is an urban legend but I heard a story that Rory and his dad/family have wagered good money a few years back that he wins his 1st major before the age of 25... would anyone want to bet against him at this stage...?!?!?!?
#22
Posted 18 November 2009 - 02:26 PM
peebomal1, on Nov 18 2009, 02:19 PM, said:
I've seen McIlroy play since he was a 15 year old amateur and the scary thing is that he's still learning and knows there is always room for improvement.
If he could putt half as good as Tiger when the pressure is on then he will certainly be right behind Mr Woods in the world rankings before long - I just have my doubts that anyone can hole putts like Tiger does when he needs them.
By the way, perhaps this is an urban legend but I heard a story that Rory and his dad/family have wagered good money a few years back that he wins his 1st major before the age of 25... would anyone want to bet against him at this stage...?!?!?!?
thats interesting..... wonder who would even book a bet like that..... I am liking his dad to collect at this point in time...although, its no gimme
#23
Posted 18 November 2009 - 08:57 PM
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 18 2009, 12:50 AM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 15 2009, 11:19 PM, said:
Dr. Bombay, on Nov 15 2009, 08:39 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Huh?!?
That's absurd.
Clearly it's way too early to heap expectations on Rickie Fowler but Rory is another matter.
This year in the US based majors he was 3rd at the PGA, 10th at the US Open, and 20th at the Masters. He played in 11 US based events, made 10 cuts, and won over $1.2MILLION...
...where does this "out of his comfort zone" stuff come from??!?!?
Oh, in case you weren't aware, on the Euro Tour Rory is currently #1 on the money list, he has a win, 10 top-5's, and 13 top-10's.
There is absolutely nothing on, or about, the PGA Tour, that is going to faze Rory McIlroy in the very least.
"huh???" ..."Oh and in case you weren't aware" ....take it easy on the personal attacks Dr Bombay. One man's opinion is one man's opinion
there are a lot of europeans like Lee Westwood or Colin Montgomerie who've struggled to win the U.S. We'll see how well Mcilroy does next year.
no sense arguing about it now. Like i said it's one man's opinion
Alright, lets review the facts.
This year Rory has played 11 US PGA Tour events, and 7 times has finished in the top-20. In Europe he has played 24 events and 17 times he has finished in the top-20.
So, 24 top-20's in 35 events. Moreover, he has 16 finishes in the top-10 combining the two tours...
...and you are suggesting Rory will be "competing more for 40th" place?!?
Just your words, my friend.
How do you arrive at such a conclusion? You figure he's going to forget how to play between this year an next??
the thread was about Rory and Fowler going head to head next year on tour, maybe 40th place is a stretch for Mcilroy who yes, is clearly a more accomplished player than Fowler and has rung up some good starts. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if he didn't win an event on the PGA tour next year, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Fowler isn't in contention in any big tournaments. Basically what i meant to say is i strongly doubt you'll see a real rivalry emerge between these guys, at least for a while.
there are dozens of guys who were the next big thing, but there are still only a handful of guys under 30 with multiple PGA wins.
#27
Posted 18 November 2009 - 09:23 PM
McIlroy, on the other hand, plays like a seasoned pro, and his swing is technically wonderful. There's a slowmo of Rory on ytube from the spring classic that shows his swing down the line, and he has a fabulous position at the top.
I predict much more success for Rory on either tour.
#29
Posted 19 November 2009 - 04:13 PM
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Look out for the men in white coats my friend. I'd expect Fowler to be consistently in top 20, greeat talent, But Rory!! Boy you have underestimated the power / prescence of Rory. If Rory has'nt won at least one of his first five starts I'll be stunned.
I'm already backing Rory for the 2010 Masters.
#30
Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:33 PM
anders, on Nov 19 2009, 04:13 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Look out for the men in white coats my friend. I'd expect Fowler to be consistently in top 20, greeat talent, But Rory!! Boy you have underestimated the power / prescence of Rory. If Rory has'nt won at least one of his first five starts I'll be stunned.
I'm already backing Rory for the 2010 Masters.
if you think Rickie Fowler will be in the top 20's consistently all of next season, and that Rory Mcilroy will win potentially more than 1 of his first 5 starts on the pga tour, i think the men in white coats will be looking for both of us...
i already admitted i was selling Rory a bit short with that comment. But if the over/under on Rory's wins on the PGA tour next year is 2. I'd place money on the under
#31
Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:19 PM
MtlJeff, on Nov 19 2009, 08:33 PM, said:
anders, on Nov 19 2009, 04:13 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Look out for the men in white coats my friend. I'd expect Fowler to be consistently in top 20, greeat talent, But Rory!! Boy you have underestimated the power / prescence of Rory. If Rory has'nt won at least one of his first five starts I'll be stunned.
I'm already backing Rory for the 2010 Masters.
if you think Rickie Fowler will be in the top 20's consistently all of next season, and that Rory Mcilroy will win potentially more than 1 of his first 5 starts on the pga tour, i think the men in white coats will be looking for both of us...
i already admitted i was selling Rory a bit short with that comment. But if the over/under on Rory's wins on the PGA tour next year is 2. I'd place money on the under
I agree with you MtlJeff. Nobody is suggesting that these two guys aren't tremendously talented. There is no debate there. But, the overhyping of young players and how they are going to start winning majors right away, challenge Tiger consistently, etc., gets a bit tiring.
After the 1999 PGA, how much did we hear about how Sergio was going to have multiple majors in a couple of years, career grand slam, blah, blah blah. How many majors does he have 10 years later? Matt Kuchar is another example. He wins the US Am and then finishes in the top 25 in the following Masters and US Open. The media went bananas with annointing him the next great thing. And then there was Ty Tryon. The list goes on and on of these guys. (Please note, I'm talking about winning majors in relation to hype created. Sergio has had a great career otherwise.)
Don't get me wrong. I am pulling for Rory in particular. I really like watching him play and I think he would great for the game if he continues on this career trajectory. I don't have much of an opinion of Fowler yet. If I had to pick a young guy to put my money on it would be Rory. And I am excited he is going to be on the PGA Tour next year, so I can see him more often. But, predicting major wins for any particluar player this early in their career is a crapshoot at best.
#32
Posted 20 November 2009 - 02:57 AM
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Of course you are correct but isn't that why it's a forum to encourage predictions and debate however diverse ? Otherwise we could just look at end of career stats and be at one that so and so failed to live up to their potential...
Rory is the only player that I like to watch as much as Tiger and anyone who thinks he will be out of his comfort zone in the US is very mistaken...
From what I've seen of Mr Fowler he is a very talented and exciting player but Rory is a very special talent and future World No 1.
Now more importantly I don't think either of them should get a haircut
#33
Posted 20 November 2009 - 10:26 AM
#34
Posted 20 November 2009 - 11:43 PM
#35
Posted 21 November 2009 - 05:16 AM
MtlJeff, on Nov 19 2009, 10:33 PM, said:
anders, on Nov 19 2009, 04:13 PM, said:
MtlJeff, on Nov 14 2009, 05:30 PM, said:
tons of talent, but Fowler has almost no tour experience and Mcilroy will be playing out of his comfort zone. They have great futures i just think it will take a few years to be in contention every week
Look out for the men in white coats my friend. I'd expect Fowler to be consistently in top 20, greeat talent, But Rory!! Boy you have underestimated the power / prescence of Rory. If Rory has'nt won at least one of his first five starts I'll be stunned.
I'm already backing Rory for the 2010 Masters.
if you think Rickie Fowler will be in the top 20's consistently all of next season, and that Rory Mcilroy will win potentially more than 1 of his first 5 starts on the pga tour, i think the men in white coats will be looking for both of us...
i already admitted i was selling Rory a bit short with that comment. But if the over/under on Rory's wins on the PGA tour next year is 2. I'd place money on the under
ok, who do you think will consistently be in top 20? Rory has had one win and 11 top five finishes this year, hopefully should win the Dubai event this week if westwoods poor putting form gets in there. Lets wait for the firs five events that rory plays in stateside next year see if he's won one of them, if he doesnt, i'll be the first to call the men in white coats sound good with you?!!
#36
Posted 21 November 2009 - 11:05 AM
OneBowTie, on Nov 18 2009, 07:26 PM, said:
peebomal1, on Nov 18 2009, 02:19 PM, said:
I've seen McIlroy play since he was a 15 year old amateur and the scary thing is that he's still learning and knows there is always room for improvement.
If he could putt half as good as Tiger when the pressure is on then he will certainly be right behind Mr Woods in the world rankings before long - I just have my doubts that anyone can hole putts like Tiger does when he needs them.
By the way, perhaps this is an urban legend but I heard a story that Rory and his dad/family have wagered good money a few years back that he wins his 1st major before the age of 25... would anyone want to bet against him at this stage...?!?!?!?
thats interesting..... wonder who would even book a bet like that..... I am liking his dad to collect at this point in time...although, its no gimme
I remember read.ing that someone bet on Tiger when he was an amateur to win all four majors by the year 2000. He won a lot of money
#38
Posted 22 November 2009 - 05:49 PM
benjatt, on Nov 21 2009, 11:05 AM, said:
OneBowTie, on Nov 18 2009, 07:26 PM, said:
peebomal1, on Nov 18 2009, 02:19 PM, said:
I've seen McIlroy play since he was a 15 year old amateur and the scary thing is that he's still learning and knows there is always room for improvement.
If he could putt half as good as Tiger when the pressure is on then he will certainly be right behind Mr Woods in the world rankings before long - I just have my doubts that anyone can hole putts like Tiger does when he needs them.
By the way, perhaps this is an urban legend but I heard a story that Rory and his dad/family have wagered good money a few years back that he wins his 1st major before the age of 25... would anyone want to bet against him at this stage...?!?!?!?
thats interesting..... wonder who would even book a bet like that..... I am liking his dad to collect at this point in time...although, its no gimme
I remember read.ing that someone bet on Tiger when he was an amateur to win all four majors by the year 2000. He won a lot of money
looking back..... almost seems unfair that the Tiger bet would have been offered....!!!!!
although, I wouldn't bet on anybody else coming along to win all four majors in the next so many years.....
Parky, on Nov 21 2009, 11:14 AM, said:
When Rory sorts his putting I think he'll be the one to beat.
many go there whole careers without ever working out putting woes.....
#39
Posted 27 November 2009 - 02:47 AM
Paul Stewart Jones, on Nov 14 2009, 10:24 PM, said:
First I thought somebody was comparing Ricky Barnes with McIlroy... But when the shock settled I understood that this wasn't the case.
As of today Rory is nr 10 and Fowler 266 on the world rankings. No offence, but you have to be either very American centric, or going 100% on their hair style.
I will admit that they both seem "unafraid", and that's fresh and fun to see.
But hey, being bold doesn't make my grandfather as good at golf as world nr 11 Jim Furyk.





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