[PSUH]

Enough said. Anybody want to dispute, please post your response.

[phelps22]

What?? Tim Teebow should get it without a doubt. He should have won it last year over Bradford.

[tigermark99]

i'll speak up, I would have him 3rd right now behind ingram from alabama and kellen moore from boise. Now let me be a homer for a second, ryan matthews from my fresno st bulldogs should be higher than he is in heisman voting, leading the nation in rushing would be higher if pat hill would not sit him down in the 3rd quarter. I'm sure keenan will be invited to new york though....

[PSUH]

Tebow has absolutely done nothing special this year, nor has McCoy either. I would bring up stats, but it's not even funny how Case absolutely destroys both of them. And I know, yeah yeah, UH plays in a weaker conference then UT & UF. Yes, that may be true, but UH plays the same 4 teams that UT has played or will play this year. From looking at the stats, Case has more yards and touchdowns playing against TTU or OSU, then McCoy has combined.

Also, I know a lot of people like to bring up the "system QB" bull crap, and that is just ridiculous. Every QB is a "system QB". Do you think Tebow ran the ball because he had no body to throw too? They are set plays for him to pad on TD's and Yards.

I agree, with Ingram though. He looked great against LSU. But I feel Boise is the most overrated team, they will be the next undefeated to be knocked off.

[wholeinwon]

Right now there is no way Tim or Colt are the frontrunners for the Heisman, that said the season is far from over and they still could climb back in the race, especially if they have epic SEC and Big 12 Championship games.

Right now I would have them ranked as follows:

1. Ingram
2. Keenum
3. Claussen
4. McCoy/Teebow
5. Moore

I think in the voters minds though the top 5 looks like this (and we can debate all we want it's the voters that matter)

1. Ingram
2. Teebow
3. McCoy
4. Claussen
5. Keenum
6. Moore

I don't agree with this, but looking at polls, etc. this seems to be a pretty strong ranking in terms of what the "experts" think.
I think the knock on Keenum will be the defenses he and Houston are up against on a weekly basis, where Teebow is playing LSU, Nebraska, Tennessees, Houston has play OSU, and that is it.

He may get the Graham Harrell treatment, although TexTech last year had a ridiculously hard schedule down the stretch (5 top 25 teams in the last 6 weeks and I think 3 ranked in the top 10).

Very similar numbers imo:

Harrell finished with 5111, 70.6%, 45TD 9INTS 160.04 rating (funny thing the year before his numbers were much better)
Keenum (projected) 5087, 71%, 37TD, 7INTS 158.92 rating

Unfortunately again he plays in CON-USA and has no games left against anyone good to raise his stock, kinda like when Colt Brennan went off in 2006 and had out of this world numbers (5700 yards 58TDS 10 INTS 185.96 rating...something like that) and still lost to Troy Smith in the Heisman voting (I think he finished 5th or 6th). That Hawaii team also went 11-3 in the WAC, which is probably a little stronger then CON-USA.


Also for the record I am a Texas fan, so it pains me to put Colt so low...

[PSUH]

Houston played the #5 team (OSU) at their house and beat them. They also beat a TTU team that killed Nebraska at their house and gave UT all they could handle. Houston also beat Mississippi State (SEC school) team at their house, which by the way gave a hell of a game to both LSU and Florida. Houston has had a tougher OOC then Boise, also CUSA is a tougher conference then WAC. Case Keenum deserves the Heisman this year, he is by far the best QB and asset in the nation.

Trust me, Keenum averages 417+ yards a game, he pretty much throws over 1,000 yards per 2 games. He will throw way over 5,087 yards this season. Also, no way in hell is Jimmy Claussen is still #3 in the Heisman race, they had there butts handed to by Navy.

[theelvis510]

I'm not going to try to dispute those numbers, the Heisman has become the best player on one of the top 5 BCS teams. Sorry, but the voters are going for a McCoy, Ingram, Tebow final.

[PSUH]

http://espn.go.com/c...otball/heisman/

Keenum's #2 in the ESPN Heisman watch poll by the experts.

[TM golf guy 182]

I think Keenum deserves it, but I think Ingram (or McCoy after that last game) will win it. Tebow should have won it last year, but he hasn't put up numbers this year. The only knock on Ingram is that he only has 8 rushing TD's so far. UH needs to win out for sure for Keenum to even get an invite. Heck, if he even gets an invite he should be happy.

[wholeinwon]

His stats aren't better then Harrell or Brennan's from those years I mentioned, there are going to be 2 undefeated teams, who play in the two best conferences in the country.

He may deserve the Heisman, but so did Colt Brennan in 2006 and like I mentioned he finished 6th.

It's going to come down to McCoy, Tebow and Ingram, that's it, College Football is a huge money grabbing sport, just look where the past Heisman winners have come from:

OU
Florida
OSU
USC
USC
OU
USC
Nebraska
FSU
Wisconsin

The last time a non major conference school won was in 1990 Ty Detmer.

There are a bunch of guys I could list from smaller schools or smaller conferences who should of won and didn't.

All you have to look at is the following to know he's not going to win:

McCoy 2/1
Ingram 1/1
Tebow 3/1
Claussen 4/1
Keenum 7/1

There is almost nothing he can do to win, he's going to need at least 5500 yards (which he's not going to get) and to at least hit 45 TD's, which he's also not going to get, and he needs him team not to lose a game, which they aren't guaranteed to do.

Again, he hasn't done enough to win from a school like Houston imo.

Just to back a few things up:

2003 BJ Symmons Texas Tech- 4th all time in yards/game average in a season.
1994 Steve McNair Alcorn St. - #1 all time in yards/game average over 525 yards/game averaged in a season (3rd in Heisman voting)
and my poor friend Graham Harrell who is pasted all over the QB record books in the NCAA, he is top 10 in so many categories, yet never even had a sniff at the Heisman.

If Florida, Texas or Bama all had 1 loss, I would give him a better chance, but the fact at least one of these teams will be undefeated and in the National Championship game, and they all have a guy in the top 5 on everyone's polls, it's going to take a mircale for Keenum to win.

[PSUH]

Okay, I understand that the chances are very slim for Keenum to take the Heisman. Keenum already has 3,815 yards with 4 more guaranteed games (UCF, Memphis, Rice, Bowl game) and possibly 5 (Conference championship). Your saying he can't pass over 5,500 yards? Lets break it down.

5,500-3,815= 1,685 yards
1,685 / 4 games = 421.25 yards per game
1,685 / 5 games = 337 yards per game

Keenum just threw over 1,000 yards in the past 2 games. He can possibly break the 6,000 yard mark if he averages 437 yards per game (which is very possible the way Keenum is tearing up defenses).

Now lets look at the 45 TD's.
He already has 28 TD's for the year, so that makes him 17 away from your 45 TD mark.
That would mean he needs to average 4.25 TD's per game (4 games) or 3.4 TD's per game (5 games) to reach the magic number of 45 TD's.

If I was a betting man, I would bet all the money in my account that he will break both of those records this year. Like I said, Case Keenum DESERVES the Heisman, not saying that he is going to get it.

[PSUH]

Why he deserves it better than Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy. You be the judge.
=
Keenum vs. Miss State: 435 Yards, 4 TDs, 2 Ints
Tebow vs. Miss State: 127 Yards, 0 TD, 2 Ints (1 run for a TD)
=
Keenum vs. Texas Tech: 435 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, 1 Rush TD
McCoy vs. Texas Tech: 205 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
=
Keenum vs. Oklahoma State: 366 Yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int, 1 Rush TD
McCoy vs. Oklahoma State: 171 Yards, 1 TD, 0 Int
=
Keenum vs. UTEP: 536 Yards, 5 TDs, 0 Int
McCoy vs. UTEP: 286 Yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int

[wholeinwon]

There is no way he reaches 5500 yards and 45 TD's in 4 games...Bowl game doesn't effect Heisman voting...

It's just not going to happen.

You can plead all you want, and say how much he DOES deserve it (because he does), but he's not going to win it. There is no way he wins it especially if 2 teams of TEX/BAMA/FLR go undefeated.

You can join the long list of teams fans who's players have had unreal numbers, and brought small conference teams mild success beating ranked teams, but their guy loses badly in the Heisman voting.

With more media attention getting on Florida, Texas and Bama in the next 3 weeks it's going to be sadly impossible for Keenum to win.

Again, if McCoy wins I'll be an embarrassed Texas fan knowing he took the Heisman from a kid who should of won.

Something I can say with fact though is he is going to be a much better NFL QB then Tebow and McCoy, at least you can hold onto that fact.

It sucks if you're a Texas fan just like it sucks for schools like Boise State, TCU, Utah, heck even Houston, knowing one loss on their schedule ruins their National Title hopes, and a possible undefeated season still doesn't guarantee you a National Championship game.

College Football in general is such a media based setup, almost to the point where it seems conferences make sure they get their guys on top of Heisman voting and their top teams in the National Title Game.

It is why a playoff would be such a good thing, it would take place BEFORE Heisman voting and give a guy like Keenum a chance to go head to head against a Tebow or McCoy and show that he IS a better QB.

[onlyhogans]

My vote goes to SUH.

[uscfandan]

Here is an interesting take on someone who I may not consider the front runner, but definitely should be in the coversation, as well as case keenum.

http://www.stanfordd...-bin/?p=1035761

[wholeinwon]

onlyhogans, on Nov 12 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

My vote goes to SUH.

Suh is without a doubt the best PLAYER in College Football, he could step in on any of the 30 teams in the NFL right now and be close to a Pro Bowler.

I hope he gets some recognition because he is an unreal talent and so solid at his position, just an awesome player to watch in a position that doesn't get the praise like QB's, RB's, WR's or DB's.

[wholeinwon]

Not that I don't want him to win, because like I said I think he's the best QB in College, and will be the best NFL QB of this class..but...Houston is down 23-20 as I type this and Keenum isn't having a bad day, but UCF's defense is playing really well.

If he can come back and win this game with his arm, he takes a big jump in the Heisman rankings imo.

If they lose this game, his chances are gone to win.

Very big 15 mins of football left for the College career of Mr. Keenum.

[wholeinwon]

^^^^Huge Jinx

Now 37-20 and just threw an INT which led to a TD

Good run kid, you're going to be one hell of a NFL QB.

Looks like it's back to a 3 horse race!!

[DRGJR72]

Tough loss. That will seal the deal on this one. This kid should do good things in the NFL though, appears to have an amazing skill set. So no Heisman will not be a big deal at the end of the day for this guy.



http://www.npr.org/t...oryId=120421363

[onlyhogans]

wholeinwon , on Nov 13 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

onlyhogans, on Nov 12 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

My vote goes to SUH.

Suh is without a doubt the best PLAYER in College Football, he could step in on any of the 30 teams in the NFL right now and be close to a Pro Bowler.

I hope he gets some recognition because he is an unreal talent and so solid at his position, just an awesome player to watch in a position that doesn't get the praise like QB's, RB's, WR's or DB's.

He is by fair the most athletic 6'4" 300 pounder I have ever seen. The best part about him is the fact that oppenents double team him and he can still get through or it allows crick to get through. Its amazing to watch.

[PSUH]

Yes, it was a tough loss. But Case is now one of the 3 nominees for the Dave O'Brien award. If you feel compelled to vote for the best QB in the nation, please vote for Case.

http://www.voteobrie...d...123&id3=114

[TLUBulldogGolf]

Keenum for Heisman '10? McCoy is gonna win it this year imo

[PSUH]

That's already, Daniel (Colt) can have it this year. Dave O'Brien award is also a very prominent award, and winning that would be a great accomplishment for Case. Case will also be a front runner for the 2010 Heisman race next year.

[fratlord]

Should be a fun matchup to watch if Houston makes it to the Liberty Bowl to face Arkansas. We could get a good head to head comparison on two of the best QB's in the nation. Ryan Mallet would definitley be up there (Heisman) if we had a defense (or kicker) that could win a game or two for us. Hopefully he does not consider the draft this year, but if he does, can't see how anyone is projected above him at QB.

Steven

[cardia10]

If Houston didn't blow Arkansas out by 30, I would say Keenum may should try playing in a more competitive conference. Arkansas is pretty much consistently trash in the SEC and if Houston can't beat bottom tier SEC teams, then try again. I they blow Arkansas out, I would consider them quality wise in the upper third of the bottom of the SEC. I don't really pull for any SEC team, just saying.

[fratlord]

Most top tier teams from most smaller conferences could not consistently beat mid-lower tier SEC teams. Never will.

[PSUH]

Sorry but Arkansas is a very scary team, and I believe it would probably be one of the most competitive games we might play all year. We have already handled Mississippi State at there house this year. So if UH takes care of business this week against ECU, I'm looking forward to the shootout in the Liberty Bowl. Fratlord, your statement seems so ignorant, any team can lose on any field each and every week. Arkansas is no different.

[cardia10]

Arkansas is a scary team, cause they always have tremendous team speed and usually a few game breakers. Top tier sec teams have a field full of these players. That is why Arkansas is consistently at the bottom. Arkansas could probably be a top tier conference usa team though. I would love to see Houston put it to Arkansas. Should be a good match up!

[fratlord]

PSUH, on Dec 3 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Sorry but Arkansas is a very scary team, and I believe it would probably be one of the most competitive games we might play all year. We have already handled Mississippi State at there house this year. So if UH takes care of business this week against ECU, I'm looking forward to the shootout in the Liberty Bowl. Fratlord, your statement seems so ignorant, any team can lose on any field each and every week. Arkansas is no different.

Any team on any field on any given week can be true for any sport. For an entire season, the heavyweights are going to win. What I said was "Most top tier teams from most smaller conferences could not consistently beat mid-lower tier SEC teams." There is a definite difference in the size, speed and strength of the SEC v. any of the smaller conferences. What I mean is that if Houston was in the SEC, I don't believe they would have any shot to win the conference and could do no better than .500 in conference play. Just my opinion.

Don't mind if someone disagrees, not sure if the ignorant comment was necessary. I will go on record of saying I don't think Houston can beat Arkansas.

[Chip In]

cardia10, on Dec 4 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Arkansas is a scary team, cause they always have tremendous team speed and usually a few game breakers. Top tier sec teams have a field full of these players. That is why Arkansas is consistently at the bottom. Arkansas could probably be a top tier conference usa team though. I would love to see Houston put it to Arkansas. Should be a good match up!

Ok, I'm just gunna say right now.... your very ignorant when it comes to college football. Sorry, but Arkansas is 7-5, we would be 9-3 beating #1 Florida and #15 LSU if we had a kicker that could make a 25 yarder, we have the best QB in NCAA, and will have the best RB corp next year when our Backs have a little more experience. If you call that lower tier then you need to go back to school. Houston has absolutely no chance against an aggresive SEC team. I don't care how many yards that QB put up against Rhode Island st. tech. univ.

GO HOGS! BEAT THAT CUPCAKE TEAM!

[cardia10]

Well, I was trying to be nice to Houston, but lets be honest, Arkansas is in the bottom tier of the SEC. With big wins against Troy, Texas A&M, and Eastrn Michingan, I'm sure they are primed for the big show! Always have been, always will be. they try to focus on basketball, but haven't been successful at that in over 10 years, Corliss Williamson and the guy with huge teeth. I'm pretty sure none of them greaduated either, so in the words of Lane Kiffin, they are probably "pumping gas as we speak." To me, Arkansas is on the same level with Eastern Carolina, South Florida, and the likes.If the qb was the best in the country, he wouldn't be at Arkansas to begin with. They will pull an occasional upset of a better team, but their kicking excuses are like a**holes, everybody has one. If I had of went to school to be a doctor, I would probably be rich, but like Arkansas, I just suck.

[TM golf guy 182]

Chip In, on Dec 4 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, I'm just gunna say right now.... your very ignorant when it comes to college football. Sorry, but Arkansas is 7-5, we would be 9-3 beating #1 Florida and #15 LSU if we had a kicker that could make a 25 yarder, we have the best QB in NCAA, and will have the best RB corp next year when our Backs have a little more experience. If you call that lower tier then you need to go back to school. Houston has absolutely no chance against an aggresive SEC team. I don't care how many yards that QB put up against Rhode Island st. tech. univ.

GO HOGS! BEAT THAT CUPCAKE TEAM!

Spoken like a true Arkansas fan. Mallett is pretty good, but he only completed 57% of his passes this year. Best in the NCAA? Give me a break.

[PSUH]

Chip In, on Dec 4 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

cardia10, on Dec 4 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Arkansas is a scary team, cause they always have tremendous team speed and usually a few game breakers. Top tier sec teams have a field full of these players. That is why Arkansas is consistently at the bottom. Arkansas could probably be a top tier conference usa team though. I would love to see Houston put it to Arkansas. Should be a good match up!

Ok, I'm just gunna say right now.... your very ignorant when it comes to college football. Sorry, but Arkansas is 7-5, we would be 9-3 beating #1 Florida and #15 LSU if we had a kicker that could make a 25 yarder, we have the best QB in NCAA, and will have the best RB corp next year when our Backs have a little more experience. If you call that lower tier then you need to go back to school. Houston has absolutely no chance against an aggresive SEC team. I don't care how many yards that QB put up against Rhode Island st. tech. univ.

GO HOGS! BEAT THAT CUPCAKE TEAM!

I'm all for trash talking, but at least get your facts straight. Who the hell is Rhode Island St. Tech lol? I'm glad you all think so highly of your schools (as should every alumnus). But take it from my position. Every team we have faced this year, there fans seem to talk trash but somehow leave the stadium eating crow. We have beaten number 5 OSU at there house, which by the way beat y'alls Georgia Bulldogs. We have beat number 3 team in big 12 (Texas Tech), as well as a MSU at there house as well. I have nothing but respect for Arkansas, but if Houston (recruiting gold mine) was in the SEC, with SEC money, and a coach like Kevin Sumlin, we would be a top tier team in West.

[TLUBulldogGolf]

Chip In, on Dec 4 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, I'm just gunna say right now.... your very ignorant when it comes to college football. Sorry, but Arkansas is 7-5, we would be 9-3 beating #1 Florida and #15 LSU if we had a kicker that could make a 25 yarder, we have the best QB in NCAA, and will have the best RB corp next year when our Backs have a little more experience. If you call that lower tier then you need to go back to school. Houston has absolutely no chance against an aggresive SEC team. I don't care how many yards that QB put up against Rhode Island st. tech. univ.

GO HOGS! BEAT THAT CUPCAKE TEAM!

I will agree that Arkansas, while in the bottom tier of the SEC record wise, is a very dangerous team that probably should have a better record, and certainly you can't lump them in with Vanderbilt and Kentucky and teams like that, but to say UH has no chance is a bit of a stretch. I don't care who they are playing, no one can stop their offense.

Also Mallett is probably the most prototypical NFL QB with his size, but I don't think he is as good as a healthy Sam Bradford. And stats wise Keenum dominates him although UH has a considerably weaker schedule.

[Chip In]

PSUH, on Dec 4 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

Chip In, on Dec 4 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

cardia10, on Dec 4 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Arkansas is a scary team, cause they always have tremendous team speed and usually a few game breakers. Top tier sec teams have a field full of these players. That is why Arkansas is consistently at the bottom. Arkansas could probably be a top tier conference usa team though. I would love to see Houston put it to Arkansas. Should be a good match up!

Ok, I'm just gunna say right now.... your very ignorant when it comes to college football. Sorry, but Arkansas is 7-5, we would be 9-3 beating #1 Florida and #15 LSU if we had a kicker that could make a 25 yarder, we have the best QB in NCAA, and will have the best RB corp next year when our Backs have a little more experience. If you call that lower tier then you need to go back to school. Houston has absolutely no chance against an aggresive SEC team. I don't care how many yards that QB put up against Rhode Island st. tech. univ.

GO HOGS! BEAT THAT CUPCAKE TEAM!

I'm all for trash talking, but at least get your facts straight. Who the hell is Rhode Island St. Tech lol? I'm glad you all think so highly of your schools (as should every alumnus). But take it from my position. Every team we have faced this year, there fans seem to talk trash but somehow leave the stadium eating crow. We have beaten number 5 OSU at there house, which by the way beat y'alls Georgia Bulldogs. We have beat number 3 team in big 12 (Texas Tech), as well as a MSU at there house as well. I have nothing but respect for Arkansas, but if Houston (recruiting gold mine) was in the SEC, with SEC money, and a coach like Kevin Sumlin, we would be a top tier team in West.

You're cute. Houston plays cupcake teams. Teams any Major conf. team could handle with their third string players in. Nice job going 10-2 in conf. USA, lmao. Recruiting gold mine? HA! Yea right! Nobody likes losing to UTEP by 17 points. I just love that last sentence there buddy. It cracks me up. I just hope this thread is still here when the time comes for me to laugh in your face.

BTW about Keenum getting the Heisman, I'm just amazed you think he even has a chance. He won't even get an invite!

[TLUBulldogGolf]

Did you even comprehend that last sentence? And Houston is definitely a good place to find recruits (Arkansas has 4 from the greater Houston area on their roster by my count), but UH is just not at the top of the list for most of the top recruits from the area, partly because the conference they play in.

As far as Keenum getting the Heisman, he won't and he probably won't get an invite, but he definitely deserves one, regardless of who they have played.

[Chip In]

Well, to be honest I'm not really convinced we are going to play Houston. Heck they still have to get past East Carolina!

[PSUH]

Well I guess the trash talking is over. Tough loss by my COOGS today, but oh well, we have almost everybody coming back next year. Good luck Arkansas, the trash talking was fun while it lasted.

[Chip In]

I watched my first Houston game today in the Con. USA Championship, and to be honest I would rather be playing Houston in the Liberty Bowl than ECU. Keenum in no way deserves an invite to the Heisman Presentation at New York. He had some horrible passes against a rather weak deffense. Although, Arkansas has a great return man in Dennis Johnson, I wouldn't mind having the ball at midfield every time like Houston gave to ECU today. Also, I saw Houston kick some of the worst PAT's today. Good Luck in the Toilet Bowl, losers.

Good job Kevin Sumlin, see ya at Kansas!

[DallasPanic]

wholeinwon , on Nov 13 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

onlyhogans, on Nov 12 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

My vote goes to SUH.

Suh is without a doubt the best PLAYER in College Football, he could step in on any of the 30 teams in the NFL right now and be close to a Pro Bowler.

I hope he gets some recognition because he is an unreal talent and so solid at his position, just an awesome player to watch in a position that doesn't get the praise like QB's, RB's, WR's or DB's.

+1!!!! SUH is dominating tonight!!!Dude is just ridiculous! 8 sacks so far for the Husker defense tonight with 4 mins to go....HUGE interception by Nebraska here will be interesting to see if the Huskers offense can do anything at all against the Horns.