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#1 Alefty

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 04:13 PM

Anyone heard of an analogy to throwing a frisbee with your leading hand in the golf swing? I heard Shawn Clement mention it briefly but can't find a video where he discusses it


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Posted 07 November 2009 - 04:28 PM

I talked to a golfer a few years ago who was extremely long, he competed in national long drive contests and I think did very well, he was not a big guy. He told me that part of his physical training involved throwing a frisbee. In fact he was actually injured at the time because when he threw the frisbee he exerted so much effort that he pulled some muscles in his back. I do not know the mechanics behind throwing the frisbee and the golf swing but it seems like a very similar motion, turn the shoulders on the way back, and lead with the hips as you throw. Alot of his training was to work on fast twitch muscle firing.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 04:51 PM

I hate frisbees.

But it sounds like a very good analogy.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 06:55 PM

View PostAlefty, on Nov 7 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Anyone heard of an analogy to throwing a frisbee with your leading hand in the golf swing? I heard Shawn Clement mention it briefly but can't find a video where he discusses it


Actually, if you took two frisbees and threw both forward (in the same direction) from a golfer's stance, that can replicate an excellent release.  Try it.  The trick is to get them to follow one another closely.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 07:02 PM

Frisbee is a great way to practice your swing: tempo, the snap, full turn etc. A couple of bad habits that could translate could leave a golfer handsy and not have the straightest lead arm.


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Posted 07 November 2009 - 07:33 PM

I would think that the best part would be a for a flat left wrist at impact. If you think about it; You should throw a frisbiee with your arm/core muscles, but breaking the wrist. Same concept applies in the golf swing.


I could be off, but just a thought.

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 07:41 PM

Wouldn't that imitate the left hand,wrist, arm action in a turn-down release?

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:44 PM

As a former ultimate enthusiast I can tell you a disc toss motion will hurt your golf swing. Way too snappy with the wrist. Although the shoulder turn does translate

Besides you would have to play one sport oposite handed for the analogy to be exact. Which supports my theory that everyone, including me, that plays golf dominant hand away from the target is playing backwards.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 08:10 PM

Interesting comment Pete, Clement brought it up for a righty playing left handed or vice versa. I'm a lefty playing right handed.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 07:45 AM

View PostAlefty, on Nov 10 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Interesting comment Pete, Clement brought it up for a righty playing left handed or vice versa. I'm a lefty playing right handed.

So was hogan.


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Posted 11 November 2009 - 10:44 AM

Anything I do to bring more body turn through in the swing which is good, but I hurt if I don't go easy at first. An armsy swing uses very little body and turn so improvement can be sore at first. Throwing a frisbee sounds like a good idea, but to me its easier just to swing a weed wacker in the yard to eliminate those weeds.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 10:57 AM

The analogy is not about turn or tempo, as I understand it, but about what is called "snapping the kinetic chain." If you do an advanced search you can get a very involved and informed discussion of how some believe you generate greater clubhead speed by posting up on the front leg and "snapping" the clubhead through impact, like a frisbee, or the end of a bull whip.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 11:02 AM

It's not the same snap at all.  The Frisbee "swing" involves a reverse snap of the wrist to put spin on the disc at the instant of realease.  There is no lag as in swinging a golf club. The snap is all in the wrist at release.  With a golf club, the snap is all at the release of lag at the ball and the swing continues through.  There is little follow through that matters in a Frisbee throw.  And yes, I've spent many hours throwing Frisbees all sorts of ways including for distance.

Yes, both have a snap, but there is little analogy.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 12:09 PM

View PostAlefty, on Nov 7 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Anyone heard of an analogy to throwing a frisbee with your leading hand in the golf swing? I heard Shawn Clement mention it briefly but can't find a video where he discusses it

Nick Faldo mentions the "skimming of a stone" as the best way to teach the release postion and motion.
It really works too.
I often warm up before a range session by throwing a few down the fairway it helps me hi the ball a lot straighter.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 12:21 PM

View Postphillypete, on Nov 9 2009, 07:44 PM, said:

As a former ultimate enthusiast I can tell you a disc toss motion will hurt your golf swing. Way too snappy with the wrist. Although the shoulder turn does translate

+1

I'm not an expert on either motion, but some of my worst ballstriking rounds come the day/day after I play Ultimate. I've always blamed it on the light weight of the Frisbee, so maybe discus/hammer throw analogies are better.


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Posted 11 November 2009 - 12:43 PM

View Postmental, on Nov 11 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

View Postphillypete, on Nov 9 2009, 07:44 PM, said:

As a former ultimate enthusiast I can tell you a disc toss motion will hurt your golf swing. Way too snappy with the wrist. Although the shoulder turn does translate

+1

I'm not an expert on either motion, but some of my worst ballstriking rounds come the day/day after I play Ultimate. I've always blamed it on the light weight of the Frisbee, so maybe discus/hammer throw analogies are better.

Discus and javelin snap the chain.  Hammer appears to rotate through the release, which is a different (and maybe better) way to swing the club.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 02:45 PM

Nice to see there's some Ultimate lovers out there.  Competitive club player here...
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Posted 11 November 2009 - 05:00 PM

View Post63Brummie, on Nov 11 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

View PostAlefty, on Nov 7 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Anyone heard of an analogy to throwing a frisbee with your leading hand in the golf swing? I heard Shawn Clement mention it briefly but can't find a video where he discusses it

Nick Faldo mentions the "skimming of a stone" as the best way to teach the release postion and motion.
It really works too.
I often warm up before a range session by throwing a few down the fairway it helps me hi the ball a lot straighter.

Clement uses that analogy as well.

If the OP would like, I'll ask him and post a detail response on Saturday after my lesson with him to clarify the frisbee analogy.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 06:06 PM

Hmm. Just got thinking about one way I've thrown a frisbee that generates some serious speed that might be relevant here. I'm sure frisbee guys are familiar with this, but basically you take your dominant hand (my right) and throw a "forehand" instead of the usual frisbee "backhand". You get your thumb and thumb pad under the lip of the frisbee and fingers folded over the top. Then you throw it kind of like you're skipping a stone: sidearmed with your right elbow on your side but the palm facing up. Man, this thing zips compared to throwing it the other way. I've had some serious stings in my hand catching throws like that. Farther and faster than the other way and there's definitely a tight pivot feeling in there. Anyway, just thought of it, but it kinda resembles Hogan's sidearmed throw image in five lessons. Innnnnnteresting.

Edited by sajohnson, 11 November 2009 - 06:11 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2009 - 06:16 PM

If by lead hand they mean the left hand for a right handed player. What comes to my brain is the supination of the left wrist in the release.

Not a bad anaology for that


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Posted 12 November 2009 - 02:19 AM

I already emailed Clement but if you have time sure ask him. From his response I think he meant it more of the back handed equivalent of skipping a stone. Ask him about eye dominance thought if you get the chance. I haven't heard his take on it. My main eye is my right eye but I'm left handed.

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 10:21 PM

View Postsajohnson, on Nov 11 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

Hmm. Just got thinking about one way I've thrown a frisbee that generates some serious speed that might be relevant here. I'm sure frisbee guys are familiar with this, but basically you take your dominant hand (my right) and throw a "forehand" instead of the usual frisbee "backhand". You get your thumb and thumb pad under the lip of the frisbee and fingers folded over the top. Then you throw it kind of like you're skipping a stone: sidearmed with your right elbow on your side but the palm facing up. Man, this thing zips compared to throwing it the other way. I've had some serious stings in my hand catching throws like that. Farther and faster than the other way and there's definitely a tight pivot feeling in there. Anyway, just thought of it, but it kinda resembles Hogan's sidearmed throw image in five lessons. Innnnnnteresting.

In old Frisbee speak, that's called a "Thumber".  An even more powerful throw is a similar one but instead of having your thumb inside the lip, you use your index finger.  Takes a little longer to master than the thumber but since you can get more range of motion in the flip, it is a more powerful throw.

One thing that I do that I think would be more beneficial to the golf swing is to throw the shot.  Since high school I have kept  8, 12, and 16 pound shots and thrown them as part of my fitness maintenence program with both arms just out in the yard.  Warm up with the 8 and work up.  Throw one way with the right and back with the left-never had any rotator cuff problems and can throw the hell out of a rock or baseball. You use everything from the ground up and even though it's not in the same direction as the golf swing, I believe it's very beneficial to timing and balance.




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