


Kuykendall's New Elbow to Elbow Swing
#31
Posted 17 November 2009 - 01:30 PM

#32
Posted 17 November 2009 - 02:05 PM
Asleep, on Nov 17 2009, 09:36 AM, said:
You don't need any of his clubs. Any clubs will work. It is recommended to use his grips (although you don't have to, and they are usga legal). You can buy the stool at Sam's club or any old stool will do. The reason the stool is necessary it will help break the habit of the conventional swing of lifting the heels off the ground. The e2 training kit is a must, and will save months of frustration. Only one training kit is needed - e2.
His clubs are awesome, but not necessary.
His golf science magazine is a one time membership ($60) to his online information, it is only online, no physical magazine or anything else. With it you also get the opportunity to call Jack whenever you have any questions. With the membership you will be able to read all the scientific information about golf swings, analysis of some of PGA golfers swings, and much more.
#33
Posted 17 November 2009 - 06:59 PM
That is the basic movement of the swing.
You can put a club in your hand now, and start with your hands in front of your left pocket (where ball contact will be made) and do the same motion. The more you do it, and vision striking a ball, the concept will start to sink in. "
Sounds a lot like the Jim Hardy drill "Elbows Up, Arms Across" sans the forearm rotation.
#34
Posted 18 November 2009 - 02:49 PM
moehogan, on Nov 17 2009, 03:59 PM, said:
Nothing like it, he supports forearm rotation which is necessary in the Traditional/Convention golf swing. The E2E Swing has NO forearm rotation.
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Posted 18 November 2009 - 03:22 PM

#36
Posted 18 November 2009 - 04:34 PM
martinez, on Nov 18 2009, 12:22 PM, said:
Does Jack still subscribe to the science of clubhead speed being the only factor in determining distance (I have heard that from the horses mouth.....on video)? I happen to agree with him that the majority of power/speed in the golf swing comes from the muscles of the right arm and the clubs relationship to that arm throughout the swing. I don't however see how folding the left arm is the best utilization of those muscles.
The actual body motion (excluding arms) is similar, I can't think of any variations.
As far as the next question, to tough for me to answer... quickly reviewing his website is not enough for me to find the answer, I know he factors in more that just club head speed. Below is a cut from his TORQUE TO SHAFT LENGTH explanation. Along with the statement, he has all the mathematical formulas of different shaft lengths and more. This is one example of why he is the #1 Scientific Golf Instructor.
A 5% increase in the force (applied through the hands to the grip) is necessary to go from 100 mph with a 43" shaft to 102 mph with a 44" shaft. A 25% increase in the force is necessary to go from 100 mph with a 43" shaft to 110 mph with a 48" shaft.
If you cannot generate the additional torque, you will not realize an increase in clubhead velocity. Most humans are at their maximum around a 45" shaft. I estimate that less than 20% of golfers* can provide the increased torque. You must have the maximum number of TYPE IIx fast twitch muscles to use longer shafts.
#37
Posted 18 November 2009 - 04:59 PM
How large is the pool of 'Scientific golf instructors' of which Jack is apparently the undisputed #1?
#38
Posted 18 November 2009 - 06:28 PM
Here is a website that Jack used to be a guest on called "Ask the Professor" he answers all kinds of golf questions.
http://www.scigolf.c.../myths/jack.htm
Edited by e2ecoach, 18 November 2009 - 06:31 PM.
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#40
Posted 18 November 2009 - 09:55 PM

#41
Posted 18 November 2009 - 10:19 PM
arm and then the left elbow pulls the body through?
Thx,
Aslan
#42
Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:48 PM
aslan, on Nov 18 2009, 07:19 PM, said:
arm and then the left elbow pulls the body through?
Thx, Aslan
Hey, if that is what works for you! I think the E2E would work better, but it is your choice.

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#44
Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:11 PM
aslan, on Nov 19 2009, 04:50 PM, said:
So, the swing is pull back the left elbow on the backswing with your right
arm and then the left elbow pulls the body through?
Thx, Aslan
Explain how you pull back the left elbow with your right arm ? And please show me in the above posts where I stated that. I have been more than happy to answer any questions about the E2E swing. If your question was a typo or something then I apologize, it just appears you are trying to mock the swing.
#45
Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:56 PM

#46
Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:22 PM
did you read your question? How can you pull your left elbow back with your right arm?
How does that make sense, while hitting a golf ball?
And it is not my business, I am just an instructor, nothing I have stated benefits me at all. I am here to answer questions about the
E2E swing, or other about Jack's other swings.
#47
Posted 28 December 2009 - 01:43 PM
I have joined kuykendallgolf.com so I would be able to read all the posts... very interesting philosophy to me. I've always been one to favor science over "popular" beliefs and Jack seems to have some very solid arguements for his swing.
Are there any updates from some of you guys? Anyone tried it? Use it? etc...
How do you feel the science holds up?
#48
Posted 28 December 2009 - 08:25 PM
#49
Posted 28 December 2009 - 09:16 PM
My first question was what science is behind changing the lever locations? the primary is still in tact but the secondary forces the moment arm of the primary to be shorter. Is this saying that using the elbow as a lever is more effective that the glove wrist? I think the theory behind dual levers holds ground here.
Also, as someone else mentioned, the short arcs are suspect. During our fun time on the range with this 4 years ago, we talked about how the clubheard arc might actually be longer but I don't think that produces the forces, pressures, and therefore speed like a traditional 2 lever assembly.
its hard to find video of this in action.
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Posted 29 December 2009 - 08:14 AM

#51
Posted 29 December 2009 - 08:46 AM
#52
Posted 29 December 2009 - 09:08 AM
Jeff Evans, on Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM, said:
Hey Jeff, Thanks for jumping in. I'd love to hear what you, Sevam1, Martinez, etc have to say about the physics. The instructors on this forum are some of the best and I really want to see what you all make of Mr. Kuykendall's theories.
#53
Posted 29 December 2009 - 09:18 AM
iteachgolf, on Nov 16 2009, 12:47 AM, said:
e2ecoach, on Nov 16 2009, 01:16 AM, said:

Cloran, on Dec 29 2009, 09:08 AM, said:
I see IT!
Thanks to iteach pic.
More later I have a full book today!
#54
Posted 29 December 2009 - 10:15 AM
Have you been to a driving range lately? Half the people there would need to be shot then.
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So first natural golf and now this elbow to elbow swing. These seems like such radical ideas, and while a great marketing idea, I'm not sure how well these would hold up in high level tournament golf. I am not saying you are wrong and I'd love for you to go into more explanation of what exactly you are prescribing with this swing before I make any judgements. Seems to me you would be severely limited distance wise based on these pictures.
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[quote name='Cloran' post='2148683' date='Dec 29 2009, 09:08 AM'][quote name='Jeff Evans' post='2148657' date='Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM']Very interesting![/quote]
Hey Jeff, Thanks for jumping in. I'd love to hear what you, Sevam1, Martinez, etc have to say about the physics. The instructors on this forum are some of the best and I really want to see what you all make of Mr. Kuykendall's theories.
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I see IT!
Thanks to iteach pic.
More later I have a full book today!
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e2ecoach mentioned that is not the actual swing but a version from a few years ago. Can we see a video of the updated swing? They don't have to go into the drills or any specifics but a video would be nice if that is an older version.
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Posted 29 December 2009 - 11:33 AM

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 11:39 AM
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Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:27 PM
#58
Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:41 PM
@ 1:26 and 1:30
#59
Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:42 PM
Blackfinn, on Dec 29 2009, 01:27 PM, said:
I'm thinking that's due to her lack of club head speed (from age, gender, etc) more than the swing style. Supposedly you can generate the same clubhead speed from this type of elbow2elbow swing as you can from a "traditional" rotary swing. The jury is still out as many of the Pro's have yet to weigh in.
I'm anxiously awaiting their jumping in, too.
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Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:44 PM

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