[RJC59]

are you getting innoculated?


if so... have you researched both sides?

[HackerDave]

Wife has already had her vaccination. Kids and I will get ours as they become available. It's a no brainer. This bug is flying through the local schools and the vaccine is safe. As a side note, the nasal spray is not for pregnant women or ANYBODY NEAR pregnant women. Injection only in that circumstance.

[RJC59]

So you are saying you've researched the other side then....

but you say its a no brainer?

I am confused.

[yourhonoryourhonor]

The problem is finding up to date, real, unbiased, research. If anyone has any independent (not out to make a profit) research I would love to read it!

[RJC59]

indeed it is hard to find third party research... I would read some stuff by David Ayoub M.D, his stuff isnt on the swine flu in general.. but the global vaccine agenda.. Shows a lot of evidence how much money is actually made through Machiavellianism by Big Pharma. Along with how NSM 200 (A classified memoradum for population control) was supported by the same organizations as GAVI is funded by (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization).. and shows clear cut proof of how vaccines in the past have been used in third world countries to depopulate when in fact they were labelled as HIV vaccines... also goes into the actual effects that take place with some of the ingredients in the every day flu vaccine, as well as some stuff that is in other inoculations which have been introduced to the swine flu vaccine too.

interesting stuff.. Either way you should all be digging up info about this stuff before you go and stick something in your arm before knowing whats in it.. its the only thing you do in your daily life that bypasses the main parts in your immune system.. so take it a little more seriously.

[Saint]

no i'm not. It's not that bad, and I've heard that the vaccine has more mercury in that shot than a human body should ever have in one lifetime.

[OpusX20]

My family did get the vaccine. But, we get the flu vaccine every year, so this really wasn't that different. As far as mercury, most of the doses do not contain Thimerosol (mercury derived preservative). The inhaler spray and single dose innoculations do not contain the preservative.

Like Saint said, I have heard first hand that in most folks the H1N1 virus is not that bad. In fact, we have had several "outbreaks" here in the Dallas area. Most of the folks with H1N1 in our area had less of an effect than the typical seasonal flu. The reason my family got the vaccine is because we have a newborn. The virus could be deadly if she got it. And while she cannot actually get the vaccine, the rest of us in the house could. So, I don't really care if I get H1N1 for myself, but I can't take the risk that my 2 month old would get it from me.

[elrey23]

Saint, on Nov 1 2009, 02:53 AM, said:

no i'm not. It's not that bad, and I've heard that the vaccine has more mercury in that shot than a human body should ever have in one lifetime.

Do a little research. Actually has about as much as 8 ounces of fish.

[Brad31]

"I have concerns about the use of thimerosal. Is thimerosal still being used?
People have a right to expect the vaccines they receive are safe and effective. CDC and FDA also hold vaccines to the highest standards of safety. That is why CDC and FDA continually evaluate new scientific information about the safety of vaccines. Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children under six years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts, except for multi-dose formulations of influenza vaccine. This was done as a precautionary step and not because there was evidence confirming that thimerosal-containing vaccines were causing health problems. The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. "

This is from the CDC site http://www.cdc.gov/h...imerosal_qa.htm

Seems like they moved away from thimerosal as much as they could but left it in the flu vaccine. I couldn't find a reputable source to verify how much thimerosal a person would receive by getting either the seasonal or H1N1 vaccine.

Not all types of H1N1 vaccines will contain it. The nasal spray vaccine will not have thimerosal. Is that why they are recommending that type for children? Because it is thimerosal free?

It can be tough to make uo ypur mind, especially when valid, unbiased research is difficult to come by. To answer the OP, no I will not get the vaccine. I'm young and healthy with no underlying conditions. I'm confident I can fight off the H1N1 flu if I was to get it.

[krustyburger]

RJC59, on Oct 31 2009, 11:03 PM, said:

indeed it is hard to find third party research... I would read some stuff by David Ayoub M.D, his stuff isnt on the swine flu in general.. but the global vaccine agenda.. Shows a lot of evidence how much money is actually made through Machiavellianism by Big Pharma. Along with how NSM 200 (A classified memoradum for population control) was supported by the same organizations as GAVI is funded by (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization).. and shows clear cut proof of how vaccines in the past have been used in third world countries to depopulate when in fact they were labelled as HIV vaccines... also goes into the actual effects that take place with some of the ingredients in the every day flu vaccine, as well as some stuff that is in other inoculations which have been introduced to the swine flu vaccine too.

interesting stuff.. Either way you should all be digging up info about this stuff before you go and stick something in your arm before knowing whats in it.. its the only thing you do in your daily life that bypasses the main parts in your immune system.. so take it a little more seriously.

David Ayoub is pretty much considered a quack within the medical community. If you want to believe in conspiracy theories, he's your man. If you want to deal in science and facts, he's the wrong guy to follow. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence of vaccines being used to depopulate, especially HIV vaccines (since there aren't any). Here is some info about Dr. Ayoub:


http://leftbrainrigh...in.co.uk/?p=414

http://leftbrainrigh...in.co.uk/?p=405

[petter7]

Did anyone see 60 Minutes tonight??

It was informative. I'll be getting both the seasonal and H1N1 vaccine shots.

30 million have been vaccinated to date with no reports of severe side effects.

FYI, only multi-dose vials of the vaccine will contain Thimerosal. All the single-dose
units will not require the use of Thimerosal. I'll be getting the single-dose shot.

[wholeinwon]

No reports of serious side effects?? This is completely false, and no person in the medical field would ever report that there are no side effects to any administered drug.

http://www.globalres...n...a&aid=14950

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=oGT0r-udstQ

Just like any vaccine there is a huge risk of serious side effects. You do understand what a vaccine is correct?

There is also no proof this vaccine will 100% prevent you from getting the H1N1 Virus. Numbers coming out are saying about 70% of people will be infected with the H1N1 Virus and worst case scenario 1 in 1000 will die.

Anyways we've done a little class on the vaccine, didn't spend too much time on it, but were informed on it so we could make our own decision as potential MD's on whether to get the shot or not.

A few notes I would like to add which we talked about:

GBS affected about 500-1000 people during the 1976 vaccines for H1N1, it's just under a 1:1,000,000 chance of getting it is the reported number. GBS is a scary autoimmune disease; basically it paralyzes you slowly.

The previous poster is correct only the multi dose vaccination contains Thiomersal. Thiomersal is a highly debated agent, it is more or less banned (or not recommended by MD's) to receive Thiomersal in any inoculation especially in teens/children.

Testing has only been going on for 4 months. 4 months is not nearly enough time to be 100% of all side effects and all effects this will have on mass population. Hopefully there is no long term harmful effects, and hopefully no one who receives the vaccination will die from the H1N1 Virus, because of that happened I honestly think all hell will break loose and populations everywhere will be furious with government, health care, etc.

LAIV might ultimately be the answer to the safest form of vaccinating for H1N1, a lot of research being done on it at the moment, and I believe Australia will be the first country to use this as it's full fledged H1N1 vaccine in the near future.

I cannot stress enough how important HAND WASHING and HAND SANITIZER are. The best vaccine you can have is washing your hands everytime you go in and out of public, once an hour would be my recommendation. In between that hour, use hand sanitizer to make sure when you touch your nose, eyes and mouth (because obviously everyone does this, you're not going to stop) it's better to do it with clean hands.

It really is a toss up and your belief system comes into play when deciding whether to get the vaccine or not. Pro vaccine people need to understand this has been a 4 month vaccine and it is not 100% foolproof, it's impossible for it to be in such a short period of time. Anti vaccine people need to understand the amount of research put into the vaccine to make it as safe as possible and for such a short period of time, they made one hell of vaccine that is about 99% safe if not more, and it (in clinical tests) fights off the H1N1 virus.

Whether you get the shot or not understand there is no right or wrong answer to this. Also understand that with the season flu shot we've have or haven't been getting for years there are serious side effects and many death linked to the vaccine. This doesn't stop millions of Americans from getting the shot each year and keeps millions away each year. So don't base your decision on H1N1 instead of the normal flu, do what you have always done which is my opinion.

Finally, if everyone does the following H1N1 will be no worse then the normal season flu, when people don't take it seriously this disease becomes much more powerful and deadly (which they won't because the general population never does. H1N1 has the POTENTIAL to wipe out hundreds of millions of people).

So please:

Wash your hands and use hand sanitizer like you are a mysophobe.
If you feel sick, in any way, stay home! Don't go to work, school, anywhere, just stay home for 2-3 days and get better. Hospitals are getting SLAMMED with sick people all thinking they have H1N1, one of our professors saw 67 patients...64 of them came in with flu like symptoms. Most people who have the flu this year will probably have H1N1. Going to the hospital and sitting there with hundreds of other people who may or may not have H1N1 is probably not a good solution. Knowing the difference in symptoms from H1N1 and the season flu is important to diagnose yourself and not go sit in the hospital for 5+ hours when you may or may not have the virus, and if you don't you risk getting it there.

So look out for these symptoms which aren't present in most seasonal flu cases:
Dizziness
Shortness of breath
Chest Pain
Severe Vomiting for a prolonged period


So stay safe this flu season, don't panic and get knowledgeable about the H1N1 virus.

If anyone has any more questions I have a pretty good network of MD's and researchers I have access too here at school so I can get most answered for you.

[Borthwick]

Nope. Having worked in and around the .gov for my entire adult life, I trust nothing it says to be true.

[Mr. Herbert]

RJC59, on Nov 2 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

I don't exactly see the point in linking an opinion blog in which the author does not even attempt to debunk any of the evidence/facts that Dr. Ayoub presents, and instead makes childish remarks.... He is just an abstract thinker who has done far more research on the subject than those labeling him a "quack".. he also does his lectures voluntarily.

Of course it would be hard pressed to find substantial amounts of evidence regarding depopulation among top medical organizations as they are ones involved. You have to forget what they are saying their intentions are and instead take an in depth look of what they are actually doing in these third world countries..

And that is exactly the basis of every conspiracy theory. You can never dissuade these people because any evidence to the contrary is always just part of the conspiracy.

[petter7]

MBIUcrscj , on Nov 2 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

No reports of serious side effects?? This is completely false

According to the 60 Minutes report, there have been no reports to date of any serious/severe
side effects from the 30 million that have been vaccinated so far.

So, it is not completely false. Plus, the government is doing an unprecedented, intense tracking
of this H1N1 vaccine for any kind of immediate severe side effects that may occur. Here's an
article for anyone interested......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33045346/

[krustyburger]

RJC59, on Nov 2 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

I don't exactly see the point in linking an opinion blog in which the author does not even attempt to debunk any of the evidence/facts that Dr. Ayoub presents, and instead makes childish remarks.... He is just an abstract thinker who has done far more research on the subject than those labeling him a "quack".. he also does his lectures voluntarily.

Of course it would be hard pressed to find substantial amounts of evidence regarding depopulation among top medical organizations as they are ones involved. You have to forget what they are saying their intentions are and instead take an in depth look of what they are actually doing in these third world countries..

here is a little quick example:

WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION - WHO

In a special report by James Miller from Human Life International, WHO is charged with sterilizing millions of unsuspecting women from underdeveloped countries. The tool used was a tetanus shot laced with human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), a naturally occurring hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy.

hCG alerts the woman that her body is pregnant and causes the release of other hormones to prepare for continuation of the pregnancy. The clearly documented report stated that "when hCG is introduced into the body coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies will be formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. In this case the body fails to recognize hCG as a friend and will produce anti-hCG antibodies. The antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG which naturally sustains a pregnancy.

Keep note that these tetanus shots were given to people for free, and ONLY to women.. Don't men get tetanus too??

While depopulation/NWO conspiracy sounds ludicrous.... The Mafia was a popular "conspiracy theory" in which its theorists were depicted as loony toon's.. it wasn't until the 1960s that they were found to actually exist... Watergate scandal in which our own president was involved also was a "conspiracy theory" where again.. people believed things like this could not possibly happen at the top levels of our governing body.

here is a good read if you have the time.. I currently have mononucleosis so I do have the time, otherwise I'd be out golfing and not harassing you guys with info that SHOULD make you at least think. I'm not trying to fear monger people out of getting the vaccine, I'm just exposing you to some legitimate ideas that more people should look into.

Swine depopulation

here are a couple quotes:

"My Three main goals would be to 1. reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, 2. destroy the industrial infrastructure and 3. have wilderness, with it's full complement of species, returning throughout the world." - Dave Forman, Co-Founder of Earth First!

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." - Ted Turner, Founder of CNN and major UN donor.

"If I were re-incarnated, I would wish to be returned as earth as a perfected killer virus to lower human population levels!" - Prince Philip

A. It's not just an opinion blog, it's a website devoted to autism. They're usually the first ones to try to link vaccines to diseases, and even they think Ayoub is a whack job. And it's hard to debunk evidence/facts that don't exist.

B. If Ayoub has done so much research on the topic, where is it? He's a radiologist with 5 published papers, none of which have anything to do with this topic. Why hasn't he published any of this research in a credible journal? Or is every medical journal in the world also part of the conspiracy?

C. Did you even read the link you posted about swine depopulation? Do you really want us to believe that there is some international corporate criminal syndicate intent on committing genocide against the people of the U.S. through a flu virus and subsequent forced vaccinations in order to transfer control of the U.S. to the United Nations? Really? That's your theory? Why would the U.S. even want to give up control to the U.N.? And why would this "criminal syndicate" go to all of the trouble to develop a new strain of flu, for the sole purpose of then developing a a vaccine which will then wipe out the population? Seems to me that they are going to a lot of great lengths when they could have just done something simple like poisoning the water supply. But I guess that wouldn't have been as much fun.

I know it's easy to get caught up in stuff like this, and these guys can sound convincing, but you really need to look at these crazy theories logically. Do you realize how many people would have to be involved in this, and not one of them has come forward with any real evidence? Are they all being paid off? We're talking about thousands of people. Someone would have blown the whistle by now.