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[sosinsurr]

Anyone got any good tips on how to hit a trap draw? Kind of a shot I've wanted to learn how to play, and I've got some time on my hands before qualifying and wanna see what I can do.

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[iteachgolf]

Depends on your definition of trap draw.  I don't like to have the ball cross the line  so for me I would play ball slightly back of center weight 60/40 on my left side  handle forward and face open.  The ball will start about 10-15 yards right of  target and draw for me about halfway back the target and then roll left.  The key having the face open enough and handle forward enough so the ball starts right of the target.  Weight stays left the whole swing. No rehinge on followthrough to keep ball lower.

Edited by iteachgolf , 06 September 2009 - 11:16 PM.

[mr.69]

Johnny Miller explained how to hit the trap draw during this weekends Tour Championship as follows:

Play the ball back in your stance, hit down on the ball with a square clubface and feel for the ball to compress against the face.  As soon as you feel the ball begin to leave the clubface, turn the toe down  The ball will go low and straight, then fall to the left at the end (for right handed people)
  I love these kind of tips.  Can't wait to try it myself.

[logan91201]

 mr.69, on Sep 29 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

Johnny Miller explained how to hit the trap draw during this weekends Tour Championship as follows:

Play the ball back in your stance, hit down on the ball with a square clubface and feel for the ball to compress against the face.  As soon as you feel the ball begin to leave the clubface, turn the toe down  The ball will go low and straight, then fall to the left at the end (for right handed people)
  I love these kind of tips.  Can't wait to try it myself.

Wow.  Johnny increasing America's average handicap.  That is such bad information it is hard to comprehend. Depending on how well you were able to "sense the ball begin to leave the club face" (which is ridiculous in itself) and turn the face over...the ball will already take off very low, start at the target (or left depending on your sense of the ball leaving) and then draw considerably.  

I'll take Iteach's way.  Basically how all good drawers of the ball get it done.

[magnum184]

 logan91201, on Sep 29 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

 mr.69, on Sep 29 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

Johnny Miller explained how to hit the trap draw during this weekends Tour Championship as follows:

Play the ball back in your stance, hit down on the ball with a square clubface and feel for the ball to compress against the face. As soon as you feel the ball begin to leave the clubface, turn the toe down The ball will go low and straight, then fall to the left at the end (for right handed people)
I love these kind of tips. Can't wait to try it myself.

Wow. Johnny increasing America's average handicap. That is such bad information it is hard to comprehend. Depending on how well you were able to "sense the ball begin to leave the club face" (which is ridiculous in itself) and turn the face over...the ball will already take off very low, start at the target (or left depending on your sense of the ball leaving) and then draw considerably.

I'll take Iteach's way. Basically how all good drawers of the ball get it done.

I don't think he said anything about being square. I actually caught it when he said it. Didn't watch any of the TC. Doesn't matter though.

Logan, what do you think he was feeling to say or suggest something like that? Do you think that even though he might be deluding himself with BAD information that the shot doesn't come off the right way nevertheless?
Sometimes it may feel like that to me at times too......even though it may not be the REAL deal behind it. Make any sense?

[Professor D]

The ball is on the club face for 1/2 of a millisecond. By the time the feel of impact travels up the shaft, to your hands, then to your brain, the ball is long gone. The golf research bible, "Search For the Perfect Swing" pointed this out in 1968.

Trap draw? Play ball back, drive hard to left side on downswing, delay unhinging of wrists so hands are well closer to target at impact than clubhead to produce min. 8* descending angle of attack at impact (the "trap"), swing the clubhead on a path slightly rightward of the target line at impact, rotate clubface to a slightly closed position, relative to club head path, at impact.

[mr.69]

I still have it on my DVR and he said start it dead square, then drop the toe down as the ball starts to leave the clubface.  Maybe he was trying to purvey the feeling (toe down etc) and not what really happens?  Or maybe he is just remembering how to do it with old blades and soft balata balls.    

[iteachgolf]

 Professor D, on Sep 29 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

The ball is on the club face for 1/2 of a millisecond. By the time the feel of impact travels up the shaft, to your hands, then to your brain, the ball is long gone. The golf research bible, "Search For the Perfect Swing" pointed this out in 1968.

Trap draw? Play ball back, drive hard to left side on downswing, delay unhinging of wrists so hands are well closer to target at impact than clubhead to produce min. 8* descending angle of attack at impact (the "trap"), swing the clubhead on a path slightly rightward of the target line at impact, rotate clubface to a slightly closed position, relative to club head path, at impact.

If you swung on an 8º descending path the inside out part is already taken care of assuming you hit the ball first.  I don't think you need quite that exaggerated of a downward angle of attack but that is my opinion.  More than one way to do it.

[rony]

 mr.69, on Sep 29 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

Johnny Miller explained how to hit the trap draw during this weekends Tour Championship as follows:

Play the ball back in your stance, hit down on the ball with a square clubface and feel for the ball to compress against the face. As soon as you feel the ball begin to leave the clubface, turn the toe down The ball will go low and straight, then fall to the left at the end (for right handed people)
I love these kind of tips. Can't wait to try it myself.

Yup.  I heard him explain the trap draw also.  Sounded right to me.....But then.....I'm always "Odd Man Out" here on the forum.  In addition to liking Kenny Perry, I also happen to like Johnny Miller.  It appears that most here can't stand those two fellows, but I like them and I'm too old to be Brow Beaten into not liking someone I like!

[TheBigSmooth]

Personally...play the ball back in my stance.  Set up with hands ahead of the ball...with the club delofted.  Swing in to out.  Maybe set up a little closed...or drop the right foot back a bit.

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[logan91201]

 magnum184, on Sep 29 2009, 08:21 PM, said:

 logan91201, on Sep 29 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

 mr.69, on Sep 29 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

Johnny Miller explained how to hit the trap draw during this weekends Tour Championship as follows:

Play the ball back in your stance, hit down on the ball with a square clubface and feel for the ball to compress against the face. As soon as you feel the ball begin to leave the clubface, turn the toe down The ball will go low and straight, then fall to the left at the end (for right handed people)
I love these kind of tips. Can't wait to try it myself.

Wow. Johnny increasing America's average handicap. That is such bad information it is hard to comprehend. Depending on how well you were able to "sense the ball begin to leave the club face" (which is ridiculous in itself) and turn the face over...the ball will already take off very low, start at the target (or left depending on your sense of the ball leaving) and then draw considerably.

I'll take Iteach's way. Basically how all good drawers of the ball get it done.

I don't think he said anything about being square. I actually caught it when he said it. Didn't watch any of the TC. Doesn't matter though.

Logan, what do you think he was feeling to say or suggest something like that? Do you think that even though he might be deluding himself with BAD information that the shot doesn't come off the right way nevertheless?
Sometimes it may feel like that to me at times too......even though it may not be the REAL deal behind it. Make any sense?

Well I see a huge flaw in teaching an entire population how to do something based on how it feels to one person.  Regardless, the ball will draw doing it Johnn's way (minus all the nonsense about ball sticking to the face timing) but the player must aim considerably right of target and the ball will go LOW.  Pretty much unplayably low with any kind of longer iron.