[rich13]

This article appeared in the UK Daily Telegraph today,
http://www.telegraph...er-Thomson.html

....could start an interesting debate!

[slim16er]

Tiger is Tiger, Phil is Phil, Monty is Monty, Faldo is Faldo, I could go on and on - some like the guy some don't.

Tiger isn't going to be somebody he's not. Like every golfer, he's a fierce competitor. He just does it a different way.

[nickGT]

Nothing that hasn't been said before.

[anders]

Doesnt matter what anyone writes or says about Woods' behaviour, he's bigger than the sport itself now. I would be too surprised uf he introduces the fifth major himself!

[Bomb and Gouge]

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Thomson used the occasion of his 80th birthday...

I stopped reading right there.

I don't care what some cranky old man says about "today's players".

[tbowles411]

Oh boy... The man inside the ropes is who he is while competing. Every tour player has that "thing." Nicklaus had it. Player had it. As did Floyd and countless others. When they are competing, they are (or were) focused on their job at hand. Show me who they are outside the ropes. That's what I'm interested in.

Thompson is entitled to his opinion, but I'm pretty positive despite winning majors, these people can be just as wrong as someone else.

[SpartyOn1982]

That article was a waste. There is a minute of my life that I wont get back!

That whole "spitting" issue(with Tiger) bothers me because during last weeks tourney (Friday coverage I believe) they were showing an amateur that was 6 under for the round and he was spitting all over the place! Like a leaky faucet! I must have counted 10+ times he did it. Now it doesn't offend me that some people don't swallow as long as I don't have to walk through it, but it bothers me when they pick one man out of a million to make an example of and they turn their heads when someone else does it.

Im sure PETA will be upset about Tiger drowning an ant or some kind of bug.

[sooperstring]

So, everyone realizes that every time one of these articles comes out, it makes the golfing world seem like a bunch of stuffy old people, right? We can at least agree on that?

It's like when some politician comes out and complains about hip hop lyrics or violent movies or video games. Fine, there may be a discussion to be had there, but it almost always sounds like someone who's just out of touch.

[ionakana511]

-Tiger woods shouldnt be allowed to wear red on sundays because its getting boring now and is the "usual"
-Tiger shouldnt spit because he can spread bird flu because he is half asian..and he'll drown some ants...and if he has a bug in his mouth, he should eat it because there are less fortunate in ethiopia
-Tiger should smile more because he isnt competing to become the best and that we need more happy people
-Tiger shouldnt fist pump when he makes a big putt because it looks like he's humping the air sometimes and sexual vulgar acts are not allowed on the course and Disney might get a hold of it

sorry just had to get those distracting things Tiger does that degrades golf...

[SpartyOn1982]

ionakana511, on Aug 27 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

-Tiger woods shouldnt be allowed to wear red on sundays because its getting boring now and is the "usual"
-Tiger shouldnt spit because he can spread bird flu because he is half asian..and he'll drown some ants...and if he has a bug in his mouth, he should eat it because there are less fortunate in ethiopia
-Tiger should smile more because he isnt competing to become the best and that we need more happy people
-Tiger shouldnt fist pump when he makes a big putt because it looks like he's humping the air sometimes and sexual vulgar acts are not allowed on the course and Disney might get a hold of it

sorry just had to get those distracting things Tiger does that degrades golf...

[Callaweveland]

Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was dreaming last night that I logged on to GolfWRX and there was a new topic about Tiger and his behavior. See, dreams really do come true!

[Solutions Etcetera]

mjtoal, on Aug 27 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

If Byron Nelson or Ben Hogan has said it on their 80ths, it would be regarded as the word of God.

I am unfamiliar with Ben Hogan, the man, But Mr. Nelson would never had made such a comment.

[MrJones]

Seems to me that Mr. Thompson is saying that Tiger should be a little more pernable out on the cross and play a little faster. The author of the article then uses that to go off on a rant of his own.

Nothing but personal dislike for Tiger going on there.

[3onpar5]

First of all the playing faster thing has been beat to death, they were a little behind but they finished a major final round in 4 hours!!! Thats not slow.

Second Thompson sounds like this Crabby Old Man

[Skaffa77]

Was the article an editorial?? It sure seemed to have some bias and incomplete information.

"Thomson's criticisms are timely because Woods has been getting away with far too much."

"When he was put on the clock for slow play at the Bridgestone, Woods complained about the action of the referee John Paramor. He should have been fined for his comments but he was not. Many players sided with Paramor and Lee Westwood even asked to be asked about the issue. Good for him. "

Really??? Tiger wasn't put on the clock...the last grouping was (Tiger and Padraig). Tiger's complaints about the action of the ref was really on Padraig's behalf...and it likly did affect the outcome of the tournament.

[DEGOINS]

This Tiger hating really is getting pretty pathetic! Smile more? Really?

[whitepatch342]

Same old story. Some writer trying to get the "big story" but to the golfing community its an old one. There are many guys on tour with temper, ettiquete, etc. issues and just because Tiger is Tiger doesnt mean that he should get called out on them 24/7.
As for the article is the writer and Peter attempting to say Woods recieves special treatment? That is far from the truth as it has been reported on several occasions he is consistently fined and put on the clock. If your going to bash Tiger for slow play bash Ben Crane and other slow players as well. Tiger isnt the punching bag for the press' problems with the game.
The bottom line is that Tiger is the greatest thing that ever happened to golf and will always be the greatest thing that happened to golf. Half the people on this forum can thank Tiger for introducing them into this great game and many more people and business' have been positively influenced. People have to realize Tiger plays the game the way he can play it best. Some guys high five the galleries and toss the ball to the fan and others, like Tiger, put their head down and play their own game. He has raised the bar to a level the game has never seen and for those accomplishments he deserves to be thanked not bashed.

[robb01]

Callaweveland, on Aug 27 2009, 08:09 AM, said:

Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was dreaming last night that I logged on to GolfWRX and there was a new topic about Tiger and his behavior. See, dreams really do come true!

What better than to rip on the best player of our lifetimes

[JOSEPHLB]

Same s _ _ t.. different week...
*yawn*

[lagwagon23]

slim16er, on Aug 27 2009, 05:04 AM, said:

Tiger is Tiger, Phil is Phil, Monty is Mrs Doubtfire, Faldo is Faldo, I could go on and on - some like the guy some don't.

Tiger isn't going to be somebody he's not. Like every golfer, he's a fierce competitor. He just does it a different way.

Fixed it for you.

[sandy]

The problem is a lot of these behaviors have increased over the last few years... Anybody that watched him as an amateur and his first 5+ years on tour he did not throw clubs or constantly spit all over the place. The most irritating is he has started spitting on the greens as he leaves the green. That is different than in the fairway where others aren't necessarily going to walk in it immediately. I heard a couple of pros talk about how visible the big lugie was on the green. Even the guys who dip aren't as obvious about it as Tiger is with his phlegm packages. When he was younger he did occasionally curse when he hit a bad shot, but not with the frequency that he does now. The spitting is really no different than a dog whizzing on a area to mark his turf..

[3onpar5]

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The problem is a lot of these behaviors have increased over the last few years... Anybody that watched him as an amateur and his first 5+ years on tour he did not throw clubs or constantly spit all over the place. The most irritating is he has started spitting on the greens as he leaves the green. That is different than in the fairway where others aren't necessarily going to walk in it immediately. I heard a couple of pros talk about how visible the big lugie was on the green. Even the guys who dip aren't as obvious about it as Tiger is with his phlegm packages. When he was younger he did occasionally curse when he hit a bad shot, but not with the frequency that he does now. The spitting is really no different than a dog whizzing on a area to mark his tur

Really?? What PROS have you talked to about Tiger spitting. And how do you know he is spitting on the green? How do you know its not on the edge in the rough next to the green. The cameras dont show it so how do you know. Also he may have cussed as much, thrown clubs as much, and not smiled as much when he was an am, we dont know cause we only saw him on TV during the US AM, so you cant say he didnt do it as much cause you dont know.

[minitour]

Thompson was heard later stating, "and stay off my lawn!".

-mini

[CosmosMpower]

Might be the camera angle but the driver in the pic looks HUGE

[tbowles411]

midasmulligan2000, on Aug 27 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

minitour, on Aug 27 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

Thompson was heard later stating, "and stay off my lawn!".

-mini

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

[Sickman]

This article may have seemed like just standard Tiger hating. Until, that is, you get to this quote:

"It might be time to get the whip out on Woods."

That's way out of line.

['53 Precision]

anders, on Aug 27 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

Doesnt matter what anyone writes or says about Woods' behaviour, he's bigger than the sport itself now. I would be too surprised uf he introduces the fifth major himself!

Nobody else see this? "Bigger than the sport itself" I venture to guess that Tiger would disagree with your misguided affection. No one player is or has been bigger than the sport itself, ask Palmer, Nicklaus or any other of the past greats and I bet that they would all agree that the sport is bigger than any individual that plays that sport.

[RangerEsq.]

mjtoal, on Aug 27 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Bomb and Gouge, on Aug 27 2009, 01:35 PM, said:

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Thomson used the occasion of his 80th birthday...

I stopped reading right there.

I don't care what some cranky old man says about "today's players".

If Byron Nelson or Ben Hogan has said it on their 80ths, it would be regarded as the word of God.

Exactly. Just because it's an old ponce from Australia, some people dismiss it. So sad. Which is also kind of the point.

[spooky]

I wonder what Wood's father would say if he were here - would he criticise Woods for swearing, spitting, throwing clubs, etc? If he did criticise his son then no doubt he would simply be a 'hater', as nobody is entitled to an opinion that is anything but favourable about Woods.

[Sawgrass]

mjtoal, on Aug 27 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

Any person who refers to all comment that is not favourable to Tiger as 'hating' is an imbecile who either does not understand the English language or suffers from an inability to discuss anything in anything other than rigid terms of fawning adulation or hate themselves. The better educated should be capable to critically commenting on the good and bad points of all players. Tiger, like every other golfer has both good and bad points, yet the fanboys close down debate by throwing out the 'hate' card.

This inflexibility of thinking appears to be more common on the side of the Atlantic where Fox "News", which adopts a similarly moronic approach, is popular, so it may not be entirely your fault.

Certainly, one should be able to dispassionately comment on and criticize prominent sports figures. The problem is, there are many people who wish to drag someone down simply because he's up there -- not really because of what he does or doesn't do. I think it's fair to call those types, "haters", and sometimes it's pretty hard to tell the real motivation behind the criticism without having some history of the criticizer. So suspicions will continue, some feeling a specific criticism of Tiger is straightforward and legitimate, others thinking the same criticism is just taking exagerated advantage of an opportunity to bring someone to his knees.

Here's some of the language in this article:

"Thomson used the occasion of his 80th birthday to tear a strip or two off Woods . . . Thomson told Telegraph Sport: "I wish he'd smile more. He injures his image by being morose and petulant. There is also very little consideration for the fellow he is playing with. He could show more humility."

The Australian also criticised Woods for slow play. He told the Sydney Morning Herald: "It might be time to get the whip out on Woods. He is taking an unnecessarily long time to make up his mind about some of his shots . . ."

When someone implies that Tiger should be whipped, or have a "strip or two torn off", whatever the hell that ugly phrase means, that's more than enough to get my suspicions up that there might be some hating going on.

Maybe I'm wrong. After all, I do reside on the side of the Atlantic which produces Fox News.

[thenation48]

tiger moves the needle -- no one else can. he goes -- the sport goes, at least for this generation.

[piston088]

mjtoal, on Aug 27 2009, 12:18 PM, said:

Any person who refers to all comment that is not favourable to Tiger as 'hating' is an imbecile who either does not understand the English language or suffers from an inability to discuss anything in anything other than rigid terms of fawning adulation or hate themselves. The better educated should be capable to critically commenting on the good and bad points of all players. Tiger, like every other golfer has both good and bad points, yet the fanboys close down debate by throwing out the 'hate' card.

This inflexibility of thinking appears to be more common on the side of the Atlantic where Fox "News", which adopts a similarly moronic approach, is popular, so it may not be entirely your fault.

Another post wreaking of your hatred for us "stupid" Americans. What does Fox News have to do with golf?

[Sawgrass]

mjtoal, on Aug 27 2009, 03:46 PM, said:

Taking the whip out might mean applying a party line (of behaviour rather than voting). This is similar to a UK political expression. Thomson was an Aussie politician.

Yeah, and "taking the whip out" might have meant "taking the whipped cream out" too. I don't think so. Care to hypothesize what the author of the article meant by "tear a strip or two off Woods"? I trust you see the possiblility of a relationship between these two phrases.

Look, I'm not saying Tiger should be above criticism. For instance, I don't like his spitting, club throwing, or what appears to me to be gamesmanship with the way he sometimes positions himself against rivals. All I'm saying is that there are "haters" out there, some of them evil, and it's useful to watch out for them.

[bscinstnct]

mjtoal, on Aug 27 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

Any person who refers to all comment that is not favourable to Tiger as 'hating' is an imbecile who either does not understand the English language or suffers from an inability to discuss anything in anything other than rigid terms of fawning adulation or hate themselves. The better educated should be capable to critically commenting on the good and bad points of all players. Tiger, like every other golfer has both good and bad points, yet the fanboys close down debate by throwing out the 'hate' card.

This inflexibility of thinking appears to be more common on the side of the Atlantic where Fox "News", which adopts a similarly moronic approach, is popular, so it may not be entirely your fault.

Bill O'reilly has a Master's from Harvard.