I'm going to address your points as directly as I can. The European Tour, frankly, is probably only a cut above the Nationwide Tour, which is nothing more than second or third rate organization here in the US. As such, the wins achieved by the tour, whether by Paul Casey or Sam Torrance, should be scrutinized in order to determine how indicative they are of anything. If you don't agree with that, or see that, then I'm sorry but the times have past you buy, just like they have done to British golf in general.
And I see basic literacy has passed you by
As my dear old mother used to say, there is no point talking to those who will not hear. Goodbye.
I wasn't aware of the fact that this was a spelling competition. It's an internet forum; I'm not going to go back and double check every little thing I said for spelling or grammatical correctness. Besides, it was a typo, not a lack of knowledge as to how to speak English. If you choose to focus on my spelling/diction and ignore the things I have already said - which is what you've been doing for a while now - then go ahead.
Grammar and spelling is something you can fix - your computer may even help you do so.
Your ability to comprehend the debate around world golf is, sadly, beyond help, so no point in wasting time in that debate. I will continue to discuss those issues with the grown-ups, however.
Oh, I have found a new avatar for you which nicely describes you ....
British people do not call The Masters 'The US Masters' even though we have OUR own British Masters. No-one else here would get confused between both tournaments - so why do Americans fınd it hard to call the Open 'The Open'?
There is an Irish Open and The Open, simple as that. The Irish, who are most certainly NOT British, have no issues with it.
The "From: UK" under your avatar threw me off. And I suppose I'm still a little confused by it. I, perhaps incorreclty, assume that you mean that you are a citizen of The Republic of Ireland since you say "The Irish" are most certainly NOT British." I do acknowledge though, that if your personal experience hearing the Republic of Ireland's people speak about The Open is commonplace, it is a valid argument for we Americans changing our ways.
I am actually from Northern Ireland, where, shall we say, people have traditionally decided they were either Irish or British and relentlessly stuck to that opinion.
I now live in the UK, but I do not, and probably never will, consider myself British and would sooner eat my golf bag than wave a Union Jack!
I am Irish and most certainly not British!
All of my golfing friends and non golfing ones call the Open - "the Open", the irish open is the irish open. nobody would call it the open!
It is "The Open Championship," which is what I refer to it as. Although when in conversation with those that may not follow golf as closely, I do refer to it as the "British Open." For those that don't follow golf they don't always know what you are talking about, we probably can blame the American media for that.
On a side note, speaking of names and how to refer to people from different countries, I met a person from a Central American country that was offended that people from the USA refered to ourselves as Americans. They explained that they were also Americans, from Central America. So what I'm asking is what should we be called...
The whole British, Irish, Yank talk just got me thinking, sorry about the complete tangent
I'm going to address your points as directly as I can. The European Tour, frankly, is probably only a cut above the Nationwide Tour, which is nothing more than second or third rate organization here in the US. As such, the wins achieved by the tour, whether by Paul Casey or Sam Torrance, should be scrutinized in order to determine how indicative they are of anything. If you don't agree with that, or see that, then I'm sorry but the times have past you buy, just like they have done to British golf in general.
And I see basic literacy has passed you by
As my dear old mother used to say, there is no point talking to those who will not hear. Goodbye.
I wasn't aware of the fact that this was a spelling competition. It's an internet forum; I'm not going to go back and double check every little thing I said for spelling or grammatical correctness. Besides, it was a typo, not a lack of knowledge as to how to speak English. If you choose to focus on my spelling/diction and ignore the things I have already said - which is what you've been doing for a while now - then go ahead.
Grammar and spelling is something you can fix - your computer may even help you do so.
Your ability to comprehend the debate around world golf is, sadly, beyond help, so no point in wasting time in that debate. I will continue to discuss those issues with the grown-ups, however.
Oh, I have found a new avatar for you which nicely describes you ....
Your computer isn't going to help you correct typographical errors that aren't misspellings. Past is a word and so is buy. Firefox doesn't put squiggly lines under those words for me, so unless I'm going to spellcheck my posts myself, which I'm not, the mistakes are likely going to say. There is no debate in golf. The European Tour is second rate, at best, and wins on the tournament should carry nowhere near the same weight as wins on the PGA Tour. As such, Paul Casey's (among others) ranking is inflated. That's my entire debate; sorry if you disagree with it.
Nice job calling me a troll though. Name calling always goes a long way.
Your computer isn't going to help you correct typographical errors that aren't misspellings. Past is a word and so is buy. Firefox doesn't put squiggly lines under those words for me, so unless I'm going to spellcheck my posts myself, which I'm not, the mistakes are likely going to say. There is no debate in golf. The European Tour is second rate, at best, and wins on the tournament should carry nowhere near the same weight as wins on the PGA Tour. As such, Paul Casey's (among others) ranking is inflated. That's my entire debate; sorry if you disagree with it.
Nice job calling me a troll though. Name calling always goes a long way.
yea we get a bit annoyed when it gets called the british open
also people get annoyed when americans call them british.. but thats another subject all together
I understand. Wouldn't dream of asking a Brit, "Are you British?" much less "are you a Brit?" vis-a-vis, "Are you from Great Britain?".
That said, I would expect that many of the people of Great Britain might use the term Yank amongst themselves quite frequently when
referring to Americans.
yea some do but i personally refer to you guys as american.
can americans tell the difference between a Scottish and English accent?
because an american once thought i had an english accent and i dont.
Firstly, I am not exaggerating when I say that the biography of William Wallace, as well as our agreement to his standing as a hero and superman, is probably more well known to 99% of us than that of nearly all of our own presidents. In fact, and I hope that the film is received well in Scotland, Braveheart runs 24/7 on the TNT network here.
On the accent issue. We know the difference well. We even understand the dialects native to different parts of England.
Not those to different Scottish counties (if you call them counties) but we hear the Scottish people say school as "skewl".
Is this not the same in every country? Can the average Brit tell the difference between a New York accent, a south-eastern versus southwestern accent? A midwestern accent? Probably not ... but most Americans can. How about Naples accent versus a Rome accent in Italian? A Mexican accent versus an Argentinean one in Spanish? Cantonese or Mandarin?
I certainly can tell the difference between several different English accents (regions, and class) ... and Irish or Scottish accents ... largely because 1) I've spent a lot of time in London, and 2) dated a Scottish girl for awhile (specifically, a Glaswegian ... who spoke, as I came to understand, distinctly different from those raised in Edinburgh).
But ... the British and Americans have always had a complicated relationship. Fortunately for us ... it is largely jovial. Look at China and Japan. North and South Korea. Etc., etc. What to we do? Have passionate discussion board threads that go on for six pages about whether it should be called "The Open" or "The British Open".
From a slightly larger perspective however, if what we are doing is "conflict" ... would that the entire world learn from the way we do it.
At the end of the day, we are far more the same than we are different.
I think Benefactor should look up the field that played in this years Scottish open, and tell us which regular PGA tour event had a stronger starting field. Remember Mickleson was meant to be playing Loch Lomond as well were it not for his family situation.
I'm curious about Irish people's habits regarding talking about "The Open". Since there's an Irish Open golf tournament, and since Ireland and Great Britain are so close together, and since people from both countries are so deeply appreciative of the game, there is at least some potential for confusion when talking about one tournament or the other. Can anyone speak to whether the Irish call The Open Championship "The British Open" more or less frequently than we Americans do?
(I've seen quite a few British addresses from posters, I'm not sure how big the GolfWrx Irish population is.)
The Irish Open is known as The Irish Open. The Major Championship known also as the British Open Championship is called THE OPEN. This can almost be twinned with the British Amateur Championship, which most top Amatuers label "The Amateur" which if you like is mor of a slang terminology for it.
I'm going to address your points as directly as I can. The European Tour, frankly, is probably only a cut above the Nationwide Tour, which is nothing more than second or third rate organization here in the US. As such, the wins achieved by the tour, whether by Paul Casey or Sam Torrance, should be scrutinized in order to determine how indicative they are of anything. If you don't agree with that, or see that, then I'm sorry but the times have past you buy, just like they have done to British golf in general.
And I see basic literacy has passed you by
As my dear old mother used to say, there is no point talking to those who will not hear. Goodbye.
loving it! This thread is producing some real top draw one liners. This call is up there with egt your handicap down, qualify for the open, play and win it and then see what you call it! Priceless! Keep it flowing.
I've semi-learned, via this thread, that some people from the United Kingdom, or what I (perhaps ignorantly) might also call Great Britain, don't feel the word "British" appropriately describes everyone from Great Britain. I therefore wonder if "Great-ish" might be a better modifier than "British" both for all of the United Kingdom's citizens and, more importantly, for the "Great-ish Open Championship."
I seems that the Open has to do much less in terms of setting their courses up for a championship. The courses they use are pretty much all ready for championship play. The U.S. Open on the other hand always has to spend time pro proofing the courses. Much longer rough than usual, adding strategic traps, adding significant length, sometimes even redesigning several holes before the course is deeming OK..
Over the years I have grown to like the Open better than the U.S. Open. Also the Open can occasionally give seasoned golfers a chance at winning (Watson, Norman) by managing the course and their game and not having to rely on 320 yard drives..
Hmmm lets distinguish the 2 OPENS. Our Open has the letters T H E in front of it, your's has U S before it. I suppose THE and US do look alike really and can be confusing some what!!!!!!
If you are into the Game of Golf then history is part of it, and The Open Championship is the oldest champioship and it demands that respect. Its because of the american media saying its The British Open that its becoming the norm in the world of golf and it has now crept into the Professional golfers language as well when they are being interviewed. As a brit I was rooting for Tom Watson to win The Open and it would of been a great advert for the game itself if he'd won. But you will never here Mr Watson referring it as The British Open as he respects the history. I think us Brits need to start a post in calling what is it's rightfull name The Masters as The US Masters so WE don't get confused like our american friends when we're talking about our Masters tournament and give them over the pond a piece of their own medicine. So roll on April for the first major of the year 'The US Masters'.
As for the, The Open or US Open, which would you rather win, well that depends on your nationality, if your a historian of the game then there is only one clear winner.
Hmmm lets distinguish the 2 OPENS. Our Open has the letters T H E in front of it, your's has U S before it. I suppose THE and US do look alike really and can be confusing some what!!!!!!
If you are into the Game of Golf then history is part of it, and The Open Championship is the oldest champioship and it demands that respect. Its because of the american media saying its The British Open that its becoming the norm in the world of golf and it has now crept into the Professional golfers language as well when they are being interviewed. As a brit I was rooting for Tom Watson to win The Open and it would of been a great advert for the game itself if he'd won. But you will never here Mr Watson referring it as The British Open as he respects the history. I think us Brits need to start a post in calling what is it's rightfull name The Masters as The US Masters so WE don't get confused like our american friends when we're talking about our Masters tournament and give them over the pond a piece of their own medicine. So roll on April for the first major of the year 'The US Masters'.
As for the, The Open or US Open, which would you rather win, well that depends on your nationality, if your a historian of the game then there is only one clear winner.
Hmmm lets distinguish the 2 OPENS. Our Open has the letters T H E in front of it, your's has U S before it. I suppose THE and US do look alike really and can be confusing some what!!!!!!
If you are into the Game of Golf then history is part of it, and The Open Championship is the oldest champioship and it demands that respect. Its because of the american media saying its The British Open that its becoming the norm in the world of golf and it has now crept into the Professional golfers language as well when they are being interviewed. As a brit I was rooting for Tom Watson to win The Open and it would of been a great advert for the game itself if he'd won. But you will never here Mr Watson referring it as The British Open as he respects the history. I think us Brits need to start a post in calling what is it's rightfull name The Masters as The US Masters so WE don't get confused like our american friends when we're talking about our Masters tournament and give them over the pond a piece of their own medicine. So roll on April for the first major of the year 'The US Masters'.
As for the, The Open or US Open, which would you rather win, well that depends on your nationality, if your a historian of the game then there is only one clear winner.
You can call it the US masters. I won't be a cry baby about it because it won't bother me.
Hmmm lets distinguish the 2 OPENS. Our Open has the letters T H E in front of it, your's has U S before it. I suppose THE and US do look alike really and can be confusing some what!!!!!!
If you are into the Game of Golf then history is part of it, and The Open Championship is the oldest champioship and it demands that respect. Its because of the american media saying its The British Open that its becoming the norm in the world of golf and it has now crept into the Professional golfers language as well when they are being interviewed. As a brit I was rooting for Tom Watson to win The Open and it would of been a great advert for the game itself if he'd won. But you will never here Mr Watson referring it as The British Open as he respects the history. I think us Brits need to start a post in calling what is it's rightfull name The Masters as The US Masters so WE don't get confused like our american friends when we're talking about our Masters tournament and give them over the pond a piece of their own medicine. So roll on April for the first major of the year 'The US Masters'.
As for the, The Open or US Open, which would you rather win, well that depends on your nationality, if your a historian of the game then there is only one clear winner.
You can call it the US masters. I won't be a cry baby about it because it won't bother me.
Word.
Some people have way too much to b*tch about, really.
Hmmm lets distinguish the 2 OPENS. Our Open has the letters T H E in front of it, your's has U S before it. I suppose THE and US do look alike really and can be confusing some what!!!!!!
Oh, thank you so very much for providing the inspiration for the best solution to this heritage vs. confusion debate yet.
From now on we can call the two tournaments in question, "The U.S. Open" and "The British The Open", because, as you say, The Open Championship has a T H E in front of it.
The Open is the correct title, ONLY Americans will refer to it occassionaly as the BRITISH Open to distinguish from the US Open (As it would be reasonable to talk about the Open as US golfer and mean the US open)
Golfers from any country other than the USA will most likely call the British Open, the Open and the US Open the US Open.
I think the use of the title British Open is just for clarity when it comes from US golf pros.
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Not true, in an interview with Nick Price, from Zimbabwe, he referred to his win the "the British" as his proudest moment in golf. Obviously he was not being disrespectful, and as a world player and a native of Africa he still called it The British. So please don't stereotype it as "only Americans"
Birdman of Alcatraz, on Aug 23 2009, 04:36 PM, said:
Laughin my a*** off at these posts. Like a bunch of ex colonials have any any chance of changin the name of THE OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP.
But hell if you wanna call it the THE BRITISH OPEN thats ok, not everyone understands about traditions and respect. There, there.
Ironically, if we respected your traditions completely, there would not be a United States.
Whoooa. That is heavy.
Now that I am branded a "colonial" by some pompus arrogant a$$, I am going out of my way to call it the British Open, I actually never did in the past, but now....I have changed my mind. So sleep on that! Go to bed knowing you just made things worse for your silly insignificant cause. It's The BRITISH OPEN, BRITISH, BRITISH BRITISH...HA HA HA HA HA HA
Even the Telegraph, a British newspaper, refers to it as the British Open. How about you get your own country on board with calling it the "Open", then worry about what we in America call it.
Sergio Garcia's answer to the question "what major would you like to win?"....wait for it.... The British Open
just adding more fuel to the fire
No fuel.
He was just speaking to Americans in language they would understand. Easier to say that than to say The Open Championship, no, numbskull, the real one, not the US Open.
It is not really a matter of debate what the proper name for the Championship is, it is a fact.
When I was a boy in school there were two boys named John Smith ( named changed to protect the innocent ) We called the one who was born a month earlier then the other THE John Smith. We called the other one NOT THE John Smith. Of course we were children.
Another thing that bugs me is that for years there was an instrument called a guitar. Then one day a guy created an electric guitar. Now we have to call the first one an acoustic guitar. Of course we could just call it a guitar but then someone always asks which one.
Another thing that bugs me is that for years there was an instrument called a guitar. Then one day a guy created an electric guitar. Now we have to call the first one an acoustic guitar. Of course we could just call it a guitar but then someone always asks which one.
Metaphorically, this is quite relevant Erasmus. I applaud you, and your guitar. The only missing piece is whether the inventor of the first instrument was British.
Sergio Garcia's answer to the question "what major would you like to win?"....wait for it.... The British Open
just adding more fuel to the fire
No fuel.
He was just speaking to Americans in language they would understand. Easier to say that than to say The Open Championship, no, numbskull, the real one, not the US Open.
It is not really a matter of debate what the proper name for the Championship is, it is a fact.
So i guess the Telegraph, a British newspaper, calls the tournament the British Open to appease their huge American readership!!?? Come on, please!!! Proper or not, even British Media doesn't call it The Open Championship.
Sergio Garcia's answer to the question "what major would you like to win?"....wait for it.... The British Open
just adding more fuel to the fire
No fuel.
He was just speaking to Americans in language they would understand. Easier to say that than to say The Open Championship, no, numbskull, the real one, not the US Open.
It is not really a matter of debate what the proper name for the Championship is, it is a fact.
I am glad you are able to speak for Sergio and read his mind..........no one is arguing that it is a fact it is the real name, they are just arguing if it is appropriate in your mind to call it the British Open during general casual conversation. Obviously you don't feel that way, you offered your opinion which includes your opinion of Americans. By the way it is no different than you calling Americans in general Yanks. Try going to a bar in Atlanta or rural Georgia and referring the all the local boys as Yanks, my guess is you picture might end up in the paper the next morning for the wrong reasons. So being that you are Irish I won't call you British if you don't call me a Yank, however please don't get all wound up if someone says British Open and I will continue to not give a crap when someone uses the term US Masters.
We call our open "the open" because it sounds dumb for us to go around calling our own open the "us open", especially when it
is on.
When the us open is on we call it "the open"
When THE open is on we call it "the open"
We understand that the open is the open so chill out.
If you actually insist that we should insert US before open when we refer to our own open then you are wrapped a bit tight.
If you do not like it when we call the open the british open, fine but going around correcting people for this is also a bit tight.
you guys are great but we had this argument about you telling us what to do over 200 years ago.
I kind of agree with you in some ways on your point of view calling it your Open Championship because it is. Simple as. And any golfing mad american would die to win their own national championship just as we Brits would like to win ours. I've never been over to see your Open (neither The Masters or PGA but would love to one day) but I've been to a fair few of our Opens tho. Although I've never been over to watch your Open I'd take a guess that the OFFICIAL merchandise that you buy at your Open has got US OPEN on it and the entrance to your Open will have banners, hoardings and programmes with the same US OPEN on it.
Well it's the same over here with our Open but the OFFICIAL merchandise has got THE OPEN on it, same with the entrance, hoardings, tented village, programmes, etc,etc....... Get my point? Well, my point is that the 4 Major events are named as they are, The Masters (and not US Masters) The US Open Championship, The Open Championship and The USPGA Championship.
I suppose if you're with your mates having a discussion bout the 4 Majors you are bound to call your national championship The Open and then calling it the British Open to differentiate the 2. But over here we would call it as it is, in converse, The US Open and The Open. By the way just as a thought, if there was to be a 5th Major, would it be called The Players Championship or The US Players Championship? And we already know what your answer would be and rightly so.
We have a tournament over here called The PGA Championship but in my eyes there is only ONE PGA and thats held in your country, I've even in conversation dropped the US part and just called it The PGA Championship (hope you dont take offence at me for dropping the US bit). All in all I think over here we'd appreciate it that you would call it The Open, it may be a bit tight and amusing the way we go on about it, but no more tight and amusing than the naming of The World Series in baseball thats held in your country for mainly American teams, but thats another discussion.
I appreciate your comment and out of all I read on this contentious subject, a valid one as well.
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