[SwingNV]

Is it possible that Hogan was both a swinger AND hitter? I know conventional wisdom says that mixing the two is a recipe for disaster, but what if this was Hogan's genius? Maybe he found a way to blend the best of both swing methods.

I'm just getting my feet wet with TGM theories, so please correct me if I'm mistaken. It seems as though Hogan is definitely a swinger on the backswing. A few distinguishing elements being the longer backswing and full wrist set. Early in the downswing, it seems he is still swinging as there appears to be a lot of pulling during transition. Then it seems to change to a hitting motion. This is easily apparent in the Coleman Beach video. He describes the hitting motion when he shows us that he likes to pressure the shaft with the inside of his right index finger. Also, in the super slow-motion swing, you can see that there is a distinct straightening of the right arm shortly after transition that causes his hand path to change by lowering severely. Both of these are definitely hitting traits.

I really think the Coleman video is a great research tool because it gets us inside Hogan's head a bit. His intentions during the swing seem very apparent because the speed of the swing is so much slower than during his prime.

[Dariusz J.]

First, the concept of swinger/hitter contradiction is an outdated one that is being currently worshipped only by a small group of TGM literalists nowadays. There is no pure swinging as well as pure hitting, therefore, the idea of mixing elements being dangerous can be easily omitted. Not only Mr.Hogan mixed those elements (he was doing it the best in history of golf but it's another story), but all of us who identify with one or the other.
I personally forgot those notions "hitter" or "swinger" long ago, especially when deepening my studies of biokinetics.

Cheers

[SwingNV]

Thanks for the reply Dariusz. It makes me feel confident about what I've been working on in my own swing. I have a always been predominantly a swinger. This season I've switched to a hitting motion for my chipping and pitching. The results have been excellent so I've started to incorporate it a bit into my full swing, but it's much more difficult. I had a round last week that I used the hitting sensation for all my wedge shots and the results were outstanding. I'm pleased to hear someone with your knowledge dismiss the notion of not being able to do both.

BTW, I really enjoy your biokinetics research. I agree that Hogan used limits in motion to automate his swing.

[ballgame]

Traditionally speaking, what is the fundamental difference between the two?

[mcputter]

SwingNV, on Jul 10 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

Is it possible that Hogan was both a swinger AND hitter? I know conventional wisdom says that mixing the two is a recipe for disaster, but what if this was Hogan's genius? Maybe he found a way to blend the best of both swing methods.

I'm just getting my feet wet with TGM theories, so please correct me if I'm mistaken. It seems as though Hogan is definitely a swinger on the backswing. A few distinguishing elements being the longer backswing and full wrist set. Early in the downswing, it seems he is still swinging as there appears to be a lot of pulling during transition. Then it seems to change to a hitting motion. This is easily apparent in the Coleman Beach video. He describes the hitting motion when he shows us that he likes to pressure the shaft with the inside of his right index finger. Also, in the super slow-motion swing, you can see that there is a distinct straightening of the right arm shortly after transition that causes his hand path to change by lowering severely. Both of these are definitely hitting traits.

I really think the Coleman video is a great research tool because it gets us inside Hogan's head a bit. His intentions during the swing seem very apparent because the speed of the swing is so much slower than during his prime.

Here's a link to the Coleman video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=4IXn-LHrJt8

[tm22721]

IMO Hogan started out as a swinger but later he is hitting with an angled hinge and radial acceleration.

Swinging uses longitudinal acceleration which doesn't work with an angled hinge because you would block it to the right.

[dlygrisse]

I believe most TGM'rs would say he is a switter, all 4 barrels blazing into the ball. What you are assuming with your question is that Homer got it right all the time in his book. I for one have studied it some, and while I think there are merits to it, I do not think it is the end all-be all to golf instruction. Let's just say that I think Hogan swung the club very nicely and then hit the hell out of it with his 3 right hands, with a angled hinge release of course.