Websites that are "too good to be true" -
Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:34 PM
Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:28 AM
Last week a friend was looking for some new Titleist AP2's and came within a whisker of providing credit card info but he called me first. (The $369.00 price was a little tip-off.) I immediately submitted the site to the folks at GolfWRX.com and was quickly informed that this site is based in China and selling nothing but knockoffs. Man, was my buddy amazing and gratified.
DON'T BUY JUNK! It just keep these crooked liars in business!
Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:28 PM
Posted 23 June 2010 - 05:02 AM
They have very aggressive prices and I ordered a good Taylor Made R9 bundle set. However I insisted on having visual proof or confirmation from Taylor Made that the clubs were genuine and lack of that made me cancel the order.
In their own words:
"All our clubs are OEM(original equipment manufacturer)products with high quality and good performance.They do haveserial #, but due to that they are majority made for Hongkong and japan market, we are not sure all of them could be registered on the web.They are OEM Clubs, I am sure you will enjoy them when you get them."
Posted 28 June 2010 - 02:18 PM
Posted 29 June 2010 - 05:02 PM
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Posted 02 July 2010 - 11:42 AM
Posted 04 July 2010 - 01:11 PM
Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:21 PM
The sites mentioned in this thread are selling fakes......
- Are fakes any worse than clones? Most pictures of the clubs are the same as the name brand they represent....
- Are titanium driver heads made of titanium from both the fakes and clones?
- The shafts are the exact match to the real thing....
- Do the fakes not perform as well as the retail models or clones?
- Aren't most name brand components manufactured in China?
- What's to say that many clubs sold on e-bay weren't purchased from the China Wholesale sites....
- What makes a fake a fake?
Let me answer your questions (this comes from prior experience with some friends who bought these fakes):
- Usually, since inferior materials are used and quality control is virtually non-existent. Yes, the pics are sometimes the same, it's part of the deception (that's one reason why they are counterfeit)
- Generally not. Steel is often used in fakes, although low grade titanium is sometimes used.
- They are not. The graphite/steel components usually differ in weight and flex.
- Hmm.... inferior components combined with gross inconsistency between products. Loft are way off. Yeah, NO.
- Those that are use different materials, processes and pass quality control with some tolerances.
- That's actually quite common for new clubs on eBay and why you should do some research. If unsure, call the manufacturer and ask if that seller is authorized.
- Clones often lack the technology (usually protected by a patent) and/or use lesser materials i.e. lower grade metals, rubber compounds, etc.. Also, they clearly state that they are CLONES! On the other hand, crooks selling counterfeits are trying to pass these abominations off as the real deal except they use inferior materials and club making processes. Often the lofts are completely off, materials are completely different (steel head instead of titanium).
Then again this person may be have some vested interest in the sale of counterfeits.
Posted 20 July 2010 - 01:34 PM
Posted 21 July 2010 - 12:06 PM
You're forgetting the simple rule: if it sounds too good to be true, then chances are the clubs are fake. Some of these and other suspect sites actually have prices that are in a "believable" range, making it harder to discern from legitimate online retailers. Good example: http://www.ebayoyo.com/. Safest way to tell is to go to the big legit sites like www.tgw.com, www.golfsmith.com, www.dickssportinggoods.com, www.rockbottomgolf.com and www.edwinwatssgolf.com and do a price comparison across the board (new vs. new), not just on the clubs you are interested in (to account for discount sales, etc). If the site you are unsure about is substantially cheaper across the board, then chances are they are selling fakes. And if you are still unsure, simply contact the original manufacturer and ask them if that site is an authorized retailer.
As far as quality of the fakes go, a recent edition of Golf or Golf Digest magazine ran an article about the fakes and how they differ fromt he real thing. Workmanship on the fakes is shoddy, especially when you cut a fake driver head in half. But one of the main things that makes the fakes perform worse than the real deal is that the shafts are so inferior that there is no consistency in shots because of the twisting. Imagine a plain old plastic tube instead of a shaft, and you get the picture. Here are some pictures of fakes cut in half: http://www.golfmagic...clubs/6900.html.
A couple of years ago I bought a Nike Sumo SQ off of one of these Chinese "wholesale" sites. I paid about $80 when the geniune counterparts were selling for about $180. Anyway, I put a different shaft in it (don't remember what, it wasn't very expensive), and played with my fake Nike for about a year--the reason being that I compared it to a buddy's genuine Sumo and my fake hit the ball farther with the new shaft. That may have been because of the shaft or loft or a wieght difference, but the point I am trying to make is that the fake clubs heads aren't always terrible, however the shafts will get you.
Either way, not worth taking the chance because from Chinese backyard counterfeit factory to Chinese backyard counterfeit factory, you never know what you are going to get. I've seen driver heads come off cheap clubs on the range, so don't get sued when your cheap knock-off driver head hits some dude's kid.
Posted 24 July 2010 - 05:06 PM
Also, anyone know anything about gppgolf.com? Great prices and looks legit, so would like some feedback before i drop $$
Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:37 AM
Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:31 AM
A couple of things:
- OEM means "original equipment manufacturer". If a factory makes a crap club - it is the original manufacturer of the club. It doesn't mean that it is the manufacturer of the club it proports to be. Nice word play that means absolutely nothing, IMHO.
- Craigslist seems to be quickly catching up to the internet as the marketing outlet of choice for moving this crap into the bags of the unwary. Basic rule still applies - IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS.
Posted 08 September 2010 - 08:52 PM
I'm gonna assume that gppgolf.com is legit since they're one of the sponsors! I have ordered from them and been very satisfied.
Cleveland Classic XL 14*/Black Tie X
Callaway X-Utility 18*/KBS X
Srixon Z545 3,4 iron, Z745 5-PW/Modus 125 X
Bombtech Wedges 52, 56, 60
Odyssey Sabretooth Backstryke
Posted 24 September 2010 - 10:29 AM
Note Recent Additions (6-10-09)
"dhgate.com" (This one seems particularly interesting. Sort of a Wal-mart for "interesting" merchandise)
More additions (8-27-09)
These sites are very closely related. Read the FAQ sections of each and you can see that they are written by the same person(s). Read through the text on each of these sites, and you will note very, very awkward phrasing, misspellings, and other markers that indicate that the text was written my someone who is not a native English speaker.
It seems that these wonderful business people have discovered GolfWRX. I have seen recent posts that indicate to me that there is a more or less concerted attempt by person or persons unknown (very Jack Webbish, don't you think) to get the names of these sites out to the WRX community in some legitimatizing form. You can make of them what you will. I know how I would take them - with a level of righteous indignation that I usually reserve for spiders, gophers, and other noxious varmits.
Please help in this effort. If you know of other sites that sell or promote golf equipment of dubious heritage, let your fellow WRXers know who they are. I will try to keep this list updated, with your help. Please help keep this business model in the perspective it deserves.
Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:57 AM
I have one that is a Verified SCAM .....Verification of this claim has been provided by Taylormade USA. Unfortunately, I was a victim OF A VERY POOR/FAKE Taylormade R9 Superdeep.
The following Mainland China on-line Retailer Is A Proven Seller of Counterfeit Taylormade Products:
AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE
Posted 28 October 2010 - 03:25 PM
I came across a website yesterday that fell into the 'too good to be true' bracket
which i found by searching for pages in NZ with the term 'Rapture V2'
The tip about left handed clubs is a good one!
For a while I was thinking i'd found a genuine bargain (mainly because of the JDM brands) but there are quite a few fishy things (unbelievable prices, global free shipping, currency selection, no contact address/phone number", 9999 units of each club available, model no's. like golfclubshop.us100, no left handed options).
Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:11 PM
With the titleist ap2, What shaft options do you offer? The clubs are authentic titleist irons? Many thanks
Admin Replay (2010-11-03 13:08:11)
Dear sir, thanks for your intrest in our golf irons. For graphite shaft, you can have the ALOIA VS as displayed in the pic, and for steel shaft, you can choose project x, True temper Dynamic Gold S300 and NS pro 950. They are from the original equipment manufacture factory. Best regards, golfselling
So, are these rejects from the various manufacturers factories located in China? Looks like too many models to be "fake" but probably just a matter of some quality control issue and they get rejected and sold to third party, ie Golfselling.com (they are out of China). Interesting
TM M2 3HL, MFS 70Qx4 Red Tie x
TM M1 18* Hybrid, MFS HQ4 Hybrid x
PXG 0311T, 3-P, Xtreme Dark, Project X LZ 6.0
PXG 0311, 50, 55, 60 wedges, Xtreme Dark, DG AMT TI x100
Cameron Newport BOS Torched
PXG Stand Bag
Posted 12 November 2010 - 12:57 AM
I used XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX about 8 weeks ago to buy a TaylorMade SuperTri driver, R9 3wood and R9 number 2 rescue. They all arrived safe and well; however it took about 2-3 weeks to receive the goods. It appears the company sends their stuff from Taipei.
Edited by smith5606, 12 November 2010 - 07:21 AM.
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