[D'KRUSHER]

While I was watching the Sudden Death playoff in the Texas Open about a minute before Zach Johnson struck
his birdie putt, the CBS TV credits started rolling accross the screen. I got off my couch and said " Thats it we are done.. Zach's already won." And sure enough - Zach rolled in his birdie putt. This stuck in my craw a bit .. did any of you feel ripped off in this ? Could you imagine if before Phil rolled in his winning Master putt - we saw the credits roll- giving it away ? What do you think ?
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I quess no takers... Hummm, What if I told you the Jack Bauer dies in tonight's last 24 episode.. would you then feel I spoiled your fun ?
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I had tried to Poll this topic.... but it didnt go.

[woohoo4me]

You know, I saw the credits roll, but didn't think about it like you did. I had to just now sit and think about that.

My guess is this........CBS was already over time with the broadcast due to the playoff. So if Zach did make the putt, which he did, they would immediately sign off and let CBS catch up their normal programming, which they did. They signed off the telecast within 30 seconds of Zach making the putt to win.

If they had needed more playoff holes, the credits would already have been rolled so they are out of the way, and the telecast would have proceeded as usual.

Just my thoughts.

Woo

[D'KRUSHER]

There's probably about a 1 minute tape delay... and they jumped the gun, IMO.
We'll see how many times CBS does this.. But I say a big Not Good !

[Tmiller72]

They roll the credits like that quite a bit. Normally you see it on Saturday when play won't finish before they have to go off the air. Had Zach's putt not gone in, we would have seen the end on the Golf Channel. CBS was already over their time and running into the local news.

[D'KRUSHER]

Tmiller72, on May 18 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

They roll the credits like that quite a bit. Normally you see it on Saturday when play won't finish before they have to go off the air. Had Zach's putt not gone in, we would have seen the end on the Golf Channel. CBS was already over their time and running into the local news.

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Nope- I disagree - Nantz didn't say " We have to break regardless of this putt- please pick up the remainder of this exciting sudden death on Golf Ch." - no mention.. that's why I knew - It's Game Over.

[Tmiller72]

He would have said it.

[D'KRUSHER]

You are saying that - if the Putt had missed.. then he would have quickly said " Go to G Ch. to see the conclusion" etc....

but if you were him and you knew you'de be cut off quickly regardless...why wait till after the putt to say this ? Dont you think he would have said.. " Regardless of this going in.. sorry but we have to cut and you can see this conclusion on G Ch." -
I see your point.. but if this starts a trend.. then it spoils it.. I'll know the winner before the last putt is striked. Actually - I could bet my 19th hole guys... " $10 bucks the guy drops this putt - " and win everytime.

[Tmiller72]

Maybe CBS, like just about everybody, knew that Zach was going to make that putt?

[MizzyMan]

What I hate about their coverage is that it seems like they have about 20-25 minutes of commercials for every hour they're on air. Show a few putts, go to break, talk about the course for a minute, go to break, show a couple of shots, break, etc. ad nauseum. Does this drive anyone else crazy? Makes it hard to watch. Flip over to the GC and they're on for like 20-30 minutes straight.

[BDLz]

MizzyMan, on May 18 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

What I hate about their coverage is that it seems like they have about 20-25 minutes of commercials for every hour they're on air. Show a few putts, go to break, talk about the course for a minute, go to break, show a couple of shots, break, etc. ad nauseum. Does this drive anyone else crazy? Makes it hard to watch. Flip over to the GC and they're on for like 20-30 minutes straight.

Maybe CBS and NBC can start airing five or six hours a day of infomercials like the Golf Channel and limit their interruptions of the golf. That's not gonna happen, so we're just going to have to deal with the more frequent commercials.

BDLz

[D'KRUSHER]

When Tiger's not in the field - they TV Co. lose money.. and then I keep tinkin- "OK Tiger'd not here - we'll have to air more commercials...."

DVR to the rescue - Zip past the commercials....

[krustyburger]

You do realize that it isn't Jim Nantz's decision when to roll the credits, don't you?

And the network isn't going to suggest that you change the channel unless they absolutely have to. Had Johnson missed, then they would have told you to go to Golf Channel to see the conclusion. But it was a 10-foot putt with absolutely no break. It was practically a gimme for someone of Johnson's caliber.

[McGuire]

Nance was just ready to leave that glorified Nationwide event .... cannot believe he was actually there. You know that thing is minor league when everyone is shooting 62, Garrett Willis gets a top 10, and Bobby Clampett is on the air.

[Bomb and Gouge]

D, on May 18 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

Could you imagine if before Phil rolled in his winning Master putt - we saw the credits roll- giving it away ?

But it wasn't the Masters...it was the Texas Open.

You should be glad the local news didn't prevent you from seeing the playoff.

[CowtownTexas]

The delay is more like 3-7 seconds, not 1 minute. It varies depending on your cable/satellite provider.

Also, it was likely Lance Barrow's call.

I was watching and didn't even notice it. Like others said, they were over on time and just trying to get back to regular programming as quickly as possible.

[RichB]

CowtownTexas, on May 19 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

The delay is more like 3-7 seconds, not 1 minute. It varies depending on your cable/satellite provider.

Also, it was likely Lance Barrow's call.

I was watching and didn't even notice it. Like others said, they were over on time and just trying to get back to regular programming as quickly as possible.

CowtownTexas is spot on here.


There normally is no delay in the broadcast. When there is a delay...it will be announced (in many instances...only with a *recorded earlier* graphic). There was no delay in this broadcast.
The delay mentioned above is a standard transmission delay (not a production induced tape delay).
It has nothing to do with the credits in question. They were inserted (added to the screen) before the putt was taken. Standard procedure in this situation.
The show is very much over its alloted time...we will be doing a *panic out*...
get off air as fast as possible, at the conclusion of competition. Since there is a possibility of the event ending *if* Zach
makes the putt, the decision is made to add the credits in the (golfer's) delay before the putt.
If Zach misses the putt, the playoff continues, at least for the time being on CBS.
If the event continues long enough that CBS just cannot continue coverage...which depends entirely on the event in question,
and importance of following programming...CBS policy (and the other networks, as well)
is to announce the change in channel early enough to allow the viewers to not miss anything, if at all possible.
Changing the channel early will do a viewer no good...the event will not be there yet, so no issues from the network about
losing viewers early.

This IS what I do for a living (live television sports).

Rich

[D'KRUSHER]

But "Live" golf is delayed all the time... to get the commercials in. So, I hear ya, Rich, that most of the time they are on-spot live.
But to me, the way the last minute was directed- frantic, Nantz's voice picking up just before the last putt- I said to myself -Nantz...your acting like it's over.. you already saw the putt go in. I guess I'm wrong..

[victor2000]

RichB, on May 19 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

CowtownTexas, on May 19 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

The delay is more like 3-7 seconds, not 1 minute. It varies depending on your cable/satellite provider.

Also, it was likely Lance Barrow's call.

I was watching and didn't even notice it. Like others said, they were over on time and just trying to get back to regular programming as quickly as possible.

CowtownTexas is spot on here.


There normally is no delay in the broadcast. When there is a delay...it will be announced (in many instances...only with a *recorded earlier* graphic). There was no delay in this broadcast.
The delay mentioned above is a standard transmission delay (not a production induced tape delay).
It has nothing to do with the credits in question. They were inserted (added to the screen) before the putt was taken. Standard procedure in this situation.
The show is very much over its alloted time...we will be doing a *panic out*...
get off air as fast as possible, at the conclusion of competition. Since there is a possibility of the event ending *if* Zach
makes the putt, the decision is made to add the credits in the (golfer's) delay before the putt.
If Zach misses the putt, the playoff continues, at least for the time being on CBS.
If the event continues long enough that CBS just cannot continue coverage...which depends entirely on the event in question,
and importance of following programming...CBS policy (and the other networks, as well)
is to announce the change in channel early enough to allow the viewers to not miss anything, if at all possible.
Changing the channel early will do a viewer no good...the event will not be there yet, so no issues from the network about
losing viewers early.

This IS what I do for a living (live television sports).

Rich

Well, I guess that puts this issue to bed. My money is on Rich.

[RichB]

D, on May 19 2009, 10:03 PM, said:

But "Live" golf is delayed all the time... to get the commercials in. So, I hear ya, Rich, that most of the time they are on-spot live.
But to me, the way the last minute was directed- frantic, Nantz's voice picking up just before the last putt- I said to myself -Nantz...your acting like it's over.. you already saw the putt go in. I guess I'm wrong..

Good point on the *Live* Krusher. Lot's of *plausibly live*...we play it back like its live...
very common in golf, since with so many players on the course, many things happen at the same time.
Only occasionally will the announcer mention *moments ago*.
Didn't notice Nantz's tone, but..its not rare for me at all, to *tune out* the announcer....I get
a lot of practice ignoring announcers.

I certainly can understand the feeling you got, however, from what, and how, things were presented
to you. From what I do recall...it did sound to me like they were giving Zach the putt...like all he
had left was a tap-in.
Oh, and just so everyone gets a better picture of what they don't get to see...
Yes, everything Nantz said at the end was said live to the pictures you saw.
Only on rare occasion does the producer tell the announcer what happened in the *plausibly live*
stuff...usually, s/he is seeing it reacting to it as we are.
On the occasions when the entire show is tape-delayed (recorded earlier)...usually due to
weather...all rounds moved to the morning to avoid the t-storms type of thing....
the entire show is moved up...it is announced and produced *as live* to tape. Only
an occasional segment is done live, or plausibly live, or recorded after the fact...and they
are supposed to be very obvious as to have happened after the fact.
(picture the heavy rain shot with the announcer voice-over...*well, it certainly is coming down
heavy now, but fortunately the tour saw this coming and moved all the tee times up. We now take you back to our whatever round coverage we recorded earlier today.* )

Rich

[woohoo4me]

D, on May 18 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

While I was watching the Sudden Death playoff in the Texas Open about a minute before Zach Johnson struck
his birdie putt, the CBS TV credits started rolling accross the screen. I got off my couch and said " Thats it we are done.. Zach's already won." And sure enough - Zach rolled in his birdie putt. This stuck in my craw a bit .. did any of you feel ripped off in this ? Could you imagine if before Phil rolled in his winning Master putt - we saw the credits roll- giving it away ? What do you think ?

Krusher, did you watch the end the Colonial today? CBS rolled credits at 3:07p PDT just as Tim Clark was lining up his putt on 18 in regulation. What happened next? ~45 extra minutes of coverage on CBS through the end of the playoff.

Woo

[D'KRUSHER]

woohoo4me, on May 31 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

D, on May 18 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

While I was watching the Sudden Death playoff in the Texas Open about a minute before Zach Johnson struck
his birdie putt, the CBS TV credits started rolling accross the screen. I got off my couch and said " Thats it we are done.. Zach's already won." And sure enough - Zach rolled in his birdie putt. This stuck in my craw a bit .. did any of you feel ripped off in this ? Could you imagine if before Phil rolled in his winning Master putt - we saw the credits roll- giving it away ? What do you think ?

Krusher, did you watch the end the Colonial today? CBS rolled credits at 3:07p PDT just as Tim Clark was lining up his putt on 18 in regulation. What happened next? ~45 extra minutes of coverage on CBS through the end of the playoff.

Woo

Yup- I waz tinkin.... and actually had it DVR'd and messed up cause they went long into the next show..
but I did see the missed Clark putt.. so maybe my assumption was wrong after all. But in the other case- Nantz started to talk fast- rushed.. and that's part of why I thought what I did. Nantz didnt talk fast this time.
I wish Clark Won - his first ! But it was fun to watch.