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No Sight line / dot. What are the benefits?


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#151 bodhi555

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:57 AM

This has been an interesting read. My trusty Yonex Super A.D.X has just a dot for alignment, which I have always preferred, but never entirely known why. Thanks to this thread, I know :)

I've noticed I don't actually use the dot for aiming - just use it to help find the middle of the putter on the way through - for aiming I typically use the face angle at address. With the arc on my stroke I find sight lines tend to confuse matters, as there is only one point during my stroke that the putter face is aligned to where I'm aiming - when it hits the ball (usually). I actually find I have more issues squaring the face with my Odyssey #9 (full aiming lines) as I do with the Yonex with the dot.

Very interesting - great thread OP.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 11:14 AM

View Postbodhi555, on 24 August 2017 - 08:57 AM, said:

This has been an interesting read. My trusty Yonex Super A.D.X has just a dot for alignment, which I have always preferred, but never entirely known why. Thanks to this thread, I know :)

I've noticed I don't actually use the dot for aiming - just use it to help find the middle of the putter on the way through - for aiming I typically use the face angle at address. With the arc on my stroke I find sight lines tend to confuse matters, as there is only one point during my stroke that the putter face is aligned to where I'm aiming - when it hits the ball (usually). I actually find I have more issues squaring the face with my Odyssey #9 (full aiming lines) as I do with the Yonex with the dot.

Very interesting - great thread OP.

Agree completely in thread quality. About a year ago I switched from a no site alignment Newport beach to a 2ball fang. I love the stability of the fang putter but the leading edge didn't "stick out" enough for me to aim the face. I'm definitely a face aligner and have struggled getting comfortable aligning the 2balls. This thread got me toying. I added a 1/8 blue painter's tape line across the leading edge of the fang. I'm now able to aim the face. Old feeling of alignment + stable head through the stroke should mean good things. If I continue to like the tape then I'll figure out how to permanently have a stand out leading edge alignment aid.

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:52 AM

This is a good thread to reread over the years. I also find the line distracting now and use a naked putter
This allows my eyes to aim with face/topline which seems to work much more consistent for me

Though sometimes when facing at difficult breaking putt
Depending on the break I will use the shaft angle and ignore the putterhead and use a line on the ball and just try to feel my stroke
Or  tap the toe of my putterhead just try to hit the ball off the toe. I think this might be where the dot will help to let me know where the centre of the blade is


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 10:07 AM

Somewhere along the line I read Utley comment on not using any kind of dot or line.  I paid attention to lines on putters trying them out in stores.  It was not uncommon for me to find a $200 putter with a crooked line painted on it.  It was also not uncommon for me to find a grip that was on wrong.  I also could find putters with a fancy neck that for whatever reason looked twisted or the face was pointing somewhere other than my intended line when I took my grip.  I then started paying attention to the face and by chance found a used putter with lots of toe hang and have enjoyed the results ever since.  I aim the face at my intended line and per Utley walk into the putt on that intended line.  I actually asked the Callaway guys about buying a #7 for instance with no sight line.  Their research if I remember correctly is based on what consumers want...not necessarily what they need or should use.  Utley also places focus on getting the putter heading swinging in a pendulum type fashion.  I feel that is easier for me to forward press a bit and use a standard size grip.

I also think in the back of my mind when I try different putters I have not been tempted to switch because I can't find any w/o a line or dot.  I do use an arc trainer and have heard TW in interviews talk about Stricker helping him release the toe.  For me it releases tension and adds confidence when and if I need it and I also used to practice lag putting with eyes closed or with my right hand only being a RH golfer.
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Posted 30 August 2017 - 11:40 PM

Not only do I like a dot only, I don't even want straight lines in my field of vision beyond the topline, which needs to be prominent enough to "stick out" as the poster above notes. Couldn't agree more.

But I also like half-moon shaped putters more than others, and am better able to aim them, or my current Edel head, the Rogue, which is Edel's fat blade with an concave half-moon cutaway in the back. Same concept: Prominent and easy to aim topline, curved shape in the back.

I have tested this with all kinds of models. I putt best with half-moon or similar shaped blade. But the sight dot only half-moon shape is hard to find. All seem to have at least one line or two parallel lines.

If the line or lines are not on topline and in back cavity, I am able to ignore them. Also easy to buy one with lines in the back cavity and strip out the paintfill. You don't notice them then and they don't affect me. The two half moons I have been rolling in stores and really liking are the Argolf Avalon and the Ping Sigma Piper 3. Both quite nice. The sole of the Avalon is a standout feature. Never catches on backstroke.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:59 AM

Great info in this thread!

Any info on a line on flange parallel to face?

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 03:05 PM

Without the sight line, you have to make more of an effort to square the putter face. Sometimes alignment marks cause lazy behavior.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 04:37 PM

Well i just sold my Scotty naked Newport select could not make ti work. Went to a Odyssey 330 with a line on flange, not looking back.The Cameron line is over for me:) .

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 07:28 AM

View PostMCCA, on 04 September 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Well i just sold my Scotty naked Newport select could not make ti work. Went to a Odyssey 330 with a line on flange, not looking back.The Cameron line is over for me:) .

Don't forget there are things other than a lack of sight line that might have been effecting your aim with the Cameron, such as head shape and offset. Personally I can't putt with anser style putters for toffee due to the offset (right handed and left eye dominant).

Edited by MrWolf, 05 September 2017 - 07:32 AM.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 02:48 PM

I like no sight line or a dot.  Anyone know what putter is shown, the shiny black one with a B on the back?


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 04:27 PM

Anyone know what brand is the black shiny putter shown at the beginning of this topic?

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 05:03 PM

 MrWolf, on 05 September 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

 MCCA, on 04 September 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Well i just sold my Scotty naked Newport select could not make ti work. Went to a Odyssey 330 with a line on flange, not looking back.The Cameron line is over for me:) .

Don't forget there are things other than a lack of sight line that might have been effecting your aim with the Cameron, such as head shape and offset. Personally I can't putt with anser style putters for toffee due to the offset (right handed and left eye dominant).

I just could not make it work maybe the anser style just passed by me after many many years:)

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:26 AM

 Jimmerb, on 09 September 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

Anyone know what brand is the black shiny putter shown at the beginning of this topic?


I can't see any pics of black shiny putters through the whole thread mate (other than my own collection - none with a B on them tho).
Which post, date and username are you referring to?

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

Another neked putter fan here, I'd love to have a matt black finish like a scotty anser style without any marks.
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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:50 PM

 Jimmerb, on 09 September 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

I like no sight line or a dot.  Anyone know what putter is shown, the shiny black one with a B on the back?

What post number?

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:43 PM

 rjp322, on 20 March 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

Read the entire thread and this keeps getting overlooked.  What about just a line on the top line such as this?  Seems far less distracting and you can put the line directly up to the ball.  Thoughts?

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This is a great thread but I agree not much discussion about a top line like Jordan Spieth uses magnificently. Bruce (bargolf) who has done extensive work on alignment aides in putting has mentioned elsewhere that a line on the top does not have the negative impact like a line in the cavity. It is a lot like a sight dot.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:56 PM

A few pics for reference purposes comparing a top line, flange line and naked.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:13 PM

I haven't read the thread in it's entirety - just replying to OP. I find alignment aids a distraction to me. I am an okay putter and if I have a sight dot, flange line etc, I find myself concentrating on the hit and where exactly on the face it is; trying to hit the sight aid exactly - which takes the fluidity out of what is normally my competent putting stroke. Make any sense? :-)

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Edited by Rob McHugh, 14 November 2017 - 05:14 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 08:05 PM

 MrWolf, on 05 September 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

 MCCA, on 04 September 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Well i just sold my Scotty naked Newport select could not make ti work. Went to a Odyssey 330 with a line on flange, not looking back.The Cameron line is over for me:) .

Don't forget there are things other than a lack of sight line that might have been effecting your aim with the Cameron, such as head shape and offset. Personally I can't putt with anser style putters for toffee due to the offset (right handed and left eye dominant).

I agree style is important, i don't really look at lines just get he ball moving forward (-:. I do believe head shape plays a role?.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:32 PM

Just look at the HOLE.
It works.
Trust me.

Just look at the HOLE.
It works.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:16 AM

Play what works best for you.  I've tried the no alignment putters and kept pushing the ball.  I've been playing a SeeMore PCB and recently an Evnroll, both with flange alignments, and I've been putting better then ever before.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:05 AM

View PostRob McHugh, on 14 November 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

I haven't read the thread in it's entirety - just replying to OP. I find alignment aids a distraction to me. I am an okay putter and if I have a sight dot, flange line etc, I find myself concentrating on the hit and where exactly on the face it is; trying to hit the sight aid exactly - which takes the fluidity out of what is normally my competent putting stroke. Make any sense? :-)

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It does make sense, yes. Another reason why I went away from using any sight aid.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:11 AM

View PostJDMRN81, on 17 November 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

Play what works best for you.  I've tried the no alignment putters and kept pushing the ball.  I've been playing a SeeMore PCB and recently an Evnroll, both with flange alignments, and I've been putting better then ever before.

Of course play what works for you. There will certainly be a lot of golfers that will benefit from some sort of sight aid. However there will also be many that won't but will still be using one because that's what they think they should be doing and they've never actually been fit properly to find out what their alignment / aiming tendencies are.

As discussed, most OTR putters have alignment aids because that's what sells. Some will benefit from using them. Many won't.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:09 PM

What is the best way to remove a white sight line in the cavity to make a naked putter?  Nail polish remover, scraping it, painting over it?  I have an ER 1 and want to make it naked, but not make it look terrible.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:32 PM

View Postprincelyryno, on 17 November 2017 - 11:09 PM, said:

What is the best way to remove a white sight line in the cavity to make a naked putter?  Nail polish remover, scraping it, painting over it?  I have an ER 1 and want to make it naked, but not make it look terrible.

Taking the paint out does little to hide the line.  Most effective thing is to layer lead tape over the flange.


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:34 AM

View PostMatt J, on 17 November 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

View Postprincelyryno, on 17 November 2017 - 11:09 PM, said:

What is the best way to remove a white sight line in the cavity to make a naked putter?  Nail polish remover, scraping it, painting over it?  I have an ER 1 and want to make it naked, but not make it look terrible.

Taking the paint out does little to hide the line.  Most effective thing is to layer lead tape over the flange.

Or just get a new putter.
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 08:37 PM

It is the one thing I wish putter makers would do: Let players order putters naked or with a sight dot only.

I use the topline of the putter face to aim and it always is most comfortable to me. Much easier, in fact.
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