[bscinstnct]

I give Tiger the benefit of the doubt and I actually like his honesty. He knows he is the best, he knows if he is on his game he
beats the field by 5,10,15 strokes...he did this in his first Masters victory.

Alot of people acuse him of parsing and managing his comments to much, well there you go. Tiger told you his honest
opinion. I think the main difference is that he did not whine the way Sergio did about not getting breaks and the course
being "tricky".

The main reason I give him the benefit of the doubt is that in victory, after his well earned celebration on the 18th,
Tiger is modest and a complete gentleman. When he loses, he knows it is because he did not play his best.

The truth is the truth. Tiger did not play well and got within 2 strokes on the back nine on Masters Sunday. When most guys are
on their B game, heck, they miss the cut entirely.

[Ridley70]

.........and Tiger will finish his with alot more than Jack, face it man, the guy is incomparable, in a league of his own. Im English, i support our boys when they are over in the states, i dont mock your opinions, but all anti-tiger people have to face up to the facts that this guy is the greatest sportsman to ever live, and will ever live, he competes in a much more competitive era than Jack did, and don't deny it. Everyone says things in the heat of the moment, im sure he was just pissed off, he wants to WIN!

[dgs]

Mattro, on Apr 13 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

+1

I've never been a Tiger fan for just this reason. When he first came out on tour he was in the final group lost the tourny and didn't even shake the winners hand, he just walked away and threw a pitty party. Seriously half of you guys need to get out of Tigers a**. He's just a man, not God himself or Jesus reincarnate.

You are forgetting his previous lack of grace and good golf manners, when he won his 3rd US Am.  Left his opponent looking like a limp dick at a whore's wedding for 5 minutes, so he could hug Earl and Kutilda, then remembered to give a rather perfunctuary handshake to the poor guy.  Lack of class .... and I've seen nothing in the intervening years to change my opinion.

[D'KRUSHER]

NikeGolfer524, on Apr 15 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

mliedtke02, on Apr 15 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

I'm not a big poster on this site. But i honestly cant believe by reading a few of these post what somewhat pathetic lives come into my mind you have.

To sit here and bad mouth one of the best ever golfers for 30 second interviews, showing frustration on the course, blah blah.

None of you are his friends, none of you know him personally, none of you know him at all. You cant possibly even try to judge who this guy is and who he isnt Yet you'll sit here and try to badmouth and bash this and that.

What makes me laugh is some of you are actually badmouthing him for showing frustration. A curse word here, a drop the club here? Are you guys literally 80 year old?Let me ask you this do you show frustration after a bad day at work?

Tigers golf is his job and work. I would sure as hell hope i'd see some signs of frustration here and there. Its an intense sport at the peak of competition i want to see emotion not some old farts not giving a s*** about a shot bad or good.

Stop judging someone you dont know. He is a husband, father of two and one of the best golfers there has been and im sure to most close to him a great person. Get off his a** already.

best post i have read on here PERIOD!

===================
Reality Check:
It's Ok to have a bad frusterating day, and to politely go on your merry way.
Problem is, Tiger gets paid $100 Million a year to represent Nike, ATT, Tag Hoeyer etc in a professional way.
Lately his attitude and demeanor has changed for the worse. He needs to "change it up", change caddie's change workouts. Steveee didnt do him any favors all week. Tiger seemed strained and anxious all week.
And the poor interviews-or no interviews (can't you admit this?) is leaving a bad taste and smells of Sergio-like behavior.

AND - It's Ok to have a slump, but not to get to the point of being totally burned out. I cant imagine playing competitive golf every year since I was 5 years old. Since the beginning of this sport - ALL #1's have had bad patches. Tiger's will come...but if he's hyper stressed now, he should change it up a bit, and maybe he's due for more time off. Golf is a funny game and it's demands change as we get older. What doesnt change is it's a gentleman's sport.
If Tiger said " Hey Jim- I am so tired, and I can barely think right now. Sorry, but I 've got to run." - this would of been better.

DKrusher's post above

[dcdunk3]

you've got to be kidding me. jack doesn't compare to tiger. jack played with maybe 5 or 6 good to great players in his time. tiger has ummm..... i dont know maybe around 10-15. jack is nothing compared to tiger

[dgs]

dcdunk3, on Apr 17 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

you've got to be kidding me. jack doesn't compare to tiger. jack played with maybe 5 or 6 good to great players in his time. tiger has ummm..... i dont know maybe around 10-15. jack is nothing compared to tiger

You've got to be kidding, right???


The names Trevino, Watson, Player, Palmer (to a lesser extent) mean anything to you????  Where are the great 15 you are talking about??  Watson has 5 Open Championships, anyone (including Eldrick) have 5 today???? There were more tour players able to win Majors, in Nicklaus' time than there are now.

Nicklaus still is one of the greatest to ever play the great gemme.  His personality sucked too though, very similar to Woods, but more polished and refined for the cameras.

If you want to talk about the best golfer who won Majors, promoted the game, was genuinely interested in fans, press, tv, then that man is Arnold Palmer.  Without him, golf would not be what it is today, certainly not the PGA Tour.

Amen

[hogans71]

Ridley70, on Apr 17 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

mjtoal, on Apr 13 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

Hahaha.

It is kinda funny to see the way people are so willing to have double standards. When Tiger whines, it is just that he is competitive and has 'attitude'. When Sergio does the same, all you see here is a load of illiterate abuse and plans to barrack him at Bethpage. Maybe they should have an IQ test to get into Bethpage. It would sure cut those crowds down.

What Tiger should have said was "I gave it my best shot, but just came up short. Gonna work hard for Bethpage now". Classy and gives credit to the players who beat him. But he couldn't do that.

For the record, I don't hate Tiger, but I don't think he is God either.

And he is certainly no Jack Nicklaus.

Jack doesnt compare to Tiger, how the f*** can anyone compare that guy or anyone else to Tiger Woods, you just cant, im sorry.Thats my opinion and its a fact and everyone knows it. Tiger is the most incredible human being to walk this earth, he is just PHENOMINAL, his comments may have come across as a little arrogant, but f*** me i would be arrogant if i was as good that guy

Holy...

Moly...

That's some serious lovin' right there...

[TMack]

dgs, on Apr 17 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

Mattro, on Apr 13 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

+1

I've never been a Tiger fan for just this reason. When he first came out on tour he was in the final group lost the tourny and didn't even shake the winners hand, he just walked away and threw a pitty party. Seriously half of you guys need to get out of Tigers a**. He's just a man, not God himself or Jesus reincarnate.

You are forgetting his previous lack of grace and good golf manners, when he won his 3rd US Am.  Left his opponent looking like a limp dick at a whore's wedding for 5 minutes, so he could hug Earl and Kutilda, then remembered to give a rather perfunctuary handshake to the poor guy.  Lack of class .... and I've seen nothing in the intervening years to change my opinion.

At least you don't hold a grudge.

[dcdunk3]

dgs, on Apr 17 2009, 05:32 PM, said:

dcdunk3, on Apr 17 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

you've got to be kidding me. jack doesn't compare to tiger. jack played with maybe 5 or 6 good to great players in his time. tiger has ummm..... i dont know maybe around 10-15. jack is nothing compared to tiger

You've got to be kidding, right???


The names Trevino, Watson, Player, Palmer (to a lesser extent) mean anything to you???? Where are the great 15 you are talking about?? Watson has 5 Open Championships, anyone (including Eldrick) have 5 today???? There were more tour players able to win Majors, in Nicklaus' time than there are now.

Nicklaus still is one of the greatest to ever play the great gemme. His personality sucked too though, very similar to Woods, but more polished and refined for the cameras.

If you want to talk about the best golfer who won Majors, promoted the game, was genuinely interested in fans, press, tv, then that man is Arnold Palmer. Without him, golf would not be what it is today, certainly not the PGA Tour.

Amen

no doubt about arnold palmer, but during his time there were those few big names. now on any given week any player can win including majors. the top contenders are always going to be at the top but joined by younger small named players.

[Eagle006]

texcrom, on Apr 16 2009, 02:36 AM, said:

SDGolfing , on Apr 13 2009, 01:55 PM, said:

mjtoal, on Apr 13 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

bmaas03, on Apr 13 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

What would be the point of a bet like this? Why would you root for anyone to lose? Why not just donate the money straightaway, then continue your anti-Tiger rants. You'd be able to pat yourself on the back for doing something noble in addition to over-analyzing post round comments.

The point is not to will him to lose, but simply that a lot of the Tiger fans spout hot air about how many majors he will win, but wouldn't back it up with a bet.

Nor am I anti-Tiger, more of an agnostic, but it appears that around here if you do not revere him, you are a 'hater'. Yet as far as Sergio is concerned, anybody can say anything about him, and that is cool.

Not a huge fan of his either, as it happens.

It gets so old reading all this banter. Tiger Woods is a FIERCE a** competitor. When he looses he is pissed, something Mickelson could learn. He told the truth pal, he wasn't hitting the ball great he hit a lot of loose irons and he still almost won. HE IS 3 TOURNAMENTS REMOVED FROM KNEE REHAB!!!! That comment is showing you that he is trying to build confidence knowing he is almost completely back. Sergio is an idiot. Have you EVER heard Tiger Woods blame a golf course for not winning? Hell no.

Tell you one thing, Jack...is no Tiger.

I made two points in the previously mentioned post about Garcia:

1) I am NOT a Mickelson fan, but I respect him more now after watching him being interviewed by CBS following the final round, and then clips of other interviews later. He was professional and handled things properly. As for your comment, I have no reason to beleive Mickelson was not pissed, and was most certainly disappointed. He simply handled his commitment as a professional.

2) I am somewhat of a fan of Tiger, and I agree with your second comment. You are correct...Jack is no Tiger. Jack Nicklaus would have handled Sunday the same way he handled losing the British Open at Turnberry in 1977, and the same way he handled losing the US Open at Pebble Beach in 1982.....like a gracious CHAMPION. If you are too young to have witnessed these moments, I suggest you go back and look at film, and see how a true champion handles defeat.

The fact is that Tiger Woods is within four major championships of catching Jack Nicklaus as the "Greatest Golfer" of all time. Unfortunately, it seems he is considerably further away from ever being considered the "Greatest Champion" of all time. He's not even in the same tournament with Nicklaus' for that title. And unfortunately for Tiger, or maybe more unfortunately for all of us who are golf fans, he doesn't appear to give a s***!

Being a "FIERCE a** competitor" does not justify anyone being an a**....period.

Totally agree. Well put.

[Pinged]

With all the Tiger-kissers around here I know it's futile to post anything other than adoring comments- but the guy really is pretty classless.

Is he the greatest golfer in history? Undoubtedly!
Is he one of 2 or 3 of the greatest athletes in their respective sport in history? Undoubtedly! (Michael Jordan being an obvious parallel)
Is he an arrogant a**wipe most of the time? Unfortunately yes once more.

The spitting thing is disgusting. I know you guys love to justify the spitting- but in what other occupation would you see great leaders spitting? The white house? Senate? House of Representatives? IBM corporate headquarters? Apple corporate headquarters? Heck- you would be fired ON THE SPOT for spitting on the floor as an assistant manager trainee at Burger King. What do all THOSE PEOPLE do with their allergies and hawkwads? SWALLOW THEM obviously. Do you think golfers are the only ones with allergies. Pure classless, redneck behavior.

And as for the graceless interviews and temper tantrums- that is NOT the stuff champions are made of- EVER!

You can be a gracious loser. You can be a gracious winner. You can play with intensity AND self-control.

Or you can be a wipe and stomp and curse and spit and refuse to acknowledge fans, insult reporters and make excuses for your loss rather than giving credit to those who beat you fair and square.

Tiger is THE greatest golfer in history and one of THE most CLASSLESS individuals ever gifted with talent and a work ethic.

OK... flame suit on. Open fire, but you won't change the facts- or my mind.

[hogans71]

Pinged, on Apr 18 2009, 08:08 AM, said:

With all the Tiger-kissers around here I know it's futile to post anything other than adoring comments- but the guy really is pretty classless.

Is he the greatest golfer in history? Undoubtedly!
Is he one of 2 or 3 of the greatest athletes in their respective sport in history? Undoubtedly! (Michael Jordan being an obvious parallel)
Is he an arrogant a**wipe most of the time? Unfortunately yes once more.

The spitting thing is disgusting. I know you guys love to justify the spitting- but in what other occupation would you see great leaders spitting? The white house? Senate? House of Representatives? IBM corporate headquarters? Apple corporate headquarters? Heck- you would be fired ON THE SPOT for spitting on the floor as an assistant manager trainee at Burger King. What do all THOSE PEOPLE do with their allergies and hawkwads? SWALLOW THEM obviously. Do you think golfers are the only ones with allergies. Pure classless, redneck behavior.

And as for the graceless interviews and temper tantrums- that is NOT the stuff champions are made of- EVER!

You can be a gracious loser. You can be a gracious winner. You can play with intensity AND self-control.

Or you can be a wipe and stomp and curse and spit and refuse to acknowledge fans, insult reporters and make excuses for your loss rather than giving credit to those who beat you fair and square.

Tiger is THE greatest golfer in history and one of THE most CLASSLESS individuals ever gifted with talent and a work ethic.

OK... flame suit on. Open fire, but you won't change the facts- or my mind.

Rarely will you find me in support of the circus that surrounds TW. Top three ever in the game, no doubt, but he does come across as a petulant little whiner quite often when things don't seem to be going his way. And please don't get me started on the media coverage- absolutely nauseating at times...
With that being said, the uproar over TW spitting is downright laughable- as in on the floor rolling in humor. It is an outdoor endeavor, sport if you prefer- and in every sport I have ever attended spitting HAPPENS. Indoor as well as outdoor. I have been to 100's of Bears. Bulls, Cubs and Blackhawk games and it happens all the time. Doesn't make it right- certainly does not make it wrong.
Stop for a moment and think of what may have been applied to the golf course by the grounds crew before you teed off. Better yet, think of all the little critters and creatures scurrying about each and every day at your favorite golf course. I know my club deals with Canadian geese, deer, gophers, muskrats every year. Not to mention all the little insects etc that we all have. And yet we feel the need to chastise an individual who may spit a few dozen times in an area that may cover a few hundred acres. What, are you slogging around in loogie, clear up to your ankles? Gimmie a break- get over it. On top of it, his work place is now being compared to boardrooms of major companies and government institutions? WTF? Insane. Let it go people- it amounts to nothing. Zero.

BTW- I hope that "trainee" at BK would get fired for spitting at THEIR workplace. Its a restaurant- not a freakin' golf course where every animal under the sun defecates and urinates whenever the urge strikes...

[Pinged]

Yes... I've seen football players, soccer players and baseball players spit. I was always lead to believe golf was a gentleman's game. We're generally required to wear nice golf slacks, collared shirts, etc. It has historically been the sport of presidents and gentlemen.

Now day in and day out I see a lot of spitting going on; illegal immigrant roofing crews spit while they work, garbage collectors spit while they work and I routinely see the 6th-grade-dropout flat work tradesman spitting while bending re-bar in the trenches.

In my opinion, Tiger Woods is a billionaire and ought to behave a little more like a gentleman and a little less like a Haitian rag-picker. You're free to disagree.

I just think it's a shame to see the greatest golf talent in history behaving like a spoiled brat. Again- feel free to disagree.

I'm out of the discussion now.

[kemau]

i listened to peter kessler interview billy casper yesterday on his xm radio show......it made me laugh with all of the different tiger threads i read on golf forums as he basically put to rest all of the back and forth that comes about. mr. casper gave insight to master's champions dinner this year regarding the various topics of tiger vs jack, the conversations amongst true professional golfers spanning all of the eras that have come to know tiger personally and can identify with what it takes to excel at the level he's at, how tiger and phil interact at this gathering and sam snead holding court with the most raunchy stories you'd ever want to hear. bottom line is tiger has the respect of every single one of these men for how he handles himself on and off the golf course. if you listen to a lot of the old school players, they got away with unimaginable things that in this day and age would be considered incredibly inappropriate. i understand there's a glamorous image of golf being a gentleman's game and of the utmost standards but what went unreported would probably change that perception quite a bit. spitting and cursing shouldn't even register on the meter

[hogans71]

Pinged, on Apr 18 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

Yes... I've seen football players, soccer players and baseball players spit. I was always lead to believe golf was a gentleman's game. We're generally required to wear nice golf slacks, collared shirts, etc. It has historically been the sport of presidents and gentlemen.

Now day in and day out I see a lot of spitting going on; illegal immigrant roofing crews spit while they work, garbage collectors spit while they work and I routinely see the 6th-grade-dropout flat work tradesman spitting while bending re-bar in the trenches.

In my opinion, Tiger Woods is a billionaire and ought to behave a little more like a gentleman and a little less like a Haitian rag-picker. You're free to disagree.

I just think it's a shame to see the greatest golf talent in history behaving like a spoiled brat. Again- feel free to disagree.

I'm out of the discussion now.

Wow- if ever there was an elitist, snobby, holier than thou post, this qualifies.

At no point did I disagree with you contention that TW occasionally behaves as if a child when things don't go his way at recess. But your concern for golfers spitting somehow disqualifying golf as less than gentlemanly is ridiculous. While reading the rest of your post it has more to do with the actual act of spitting and nothing to do with spitting on the golf course. And I just as soon not address that tripe with a response...

[darpar]

Wow,imagine if TW were a chain smoker,(quite a few PGA trunk slammers are btw),
or drank like a lush and then cheated on his gorgeous wife or worse caused an accident.
NOW THAT WOULD BE AN OUTRAGE!!

Just curious,has anyone ever died or caused harm to others from spitting?
(Outside of the HIV thing which has no bearing on this discussion)

I agree,it's not a great habit to possess,(I do it,started as a kid playing baseball),
but there are a LOT WORSE habits I can think of,that one can have!

You can lay some/most of the blame on the media too,Tiger gets way more camera time than any one individual deserves or needs.IMO
So yeah his faults are going to be exposed and compounded to the nth degree.
And some people will pounce on every chance they get to bring it to someone's attention.

In the end,I highly doubt whether Tiger gives a rats a$$ what people think of him!

[dcdunk3]

all of you just need to get over yourselves and accept that tiger is the greatest player of all time

[MTM]

dcdunk3, on Apr 18 2009, 10:45 AM, said:

all of you just need to get over yourselves and accept that tiger is the greatest player of all time

I don't think that is the topic at issue but maybe I'm wrong.

[HCEG1]

Today's 'Daily Telegraph' carries a hard-hitting aritcle on (possibly) Tiger's 'worst week as a professional'
His inability to hit fairways with the driver and his relationship with Hank Hayney come under the spotlight.

Some key quotes:

"Woods has been with Haney now for five years and his driving remains something of a joke. In the six or so years that Woods spent with Butch Harmon he hit the fairway on average 68.66 per cent of the time. In the Haney era that average has dropped to 57.82 per cent".

"In golfing terms a 1 per cent margin is colossal. It's the difference between 28th and 140th place on this year's driving accuracy table. There isn't even a relative increase in distance to compensate. If anything, Tiger is a shorter hitter relative to his rivals than he used to be".

"But he will be bothered by public humiliation. Tiger will be bothered by the fact that in his last round at both Bay Hill and the Masters he hit a pull hook that missed the adjoining fairway. He will be bothered by not having a clue where his drives will go".

"I remember people lining the fairways at St Andrews in 2000 and gasping in awe as Woods unleashed a thunderbolt. It used to be the most exciting shot in golf. These days those same spectators cringe and cower when Woods takes out the driver. How much longer is he prepared to put up with such humiliation"?

http://www.telegraph...ic-driving.html

[kyldo]

Pinged, on Apr 18 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

Yes... I've seen football players, soccer players and baseball players spit. I was always lead to believe golf was a gentleman's game. We're generally required to wear nice golf slacks, collared shirts, etc. It has historically been the sport of presidents and gentlemen.

Now day in and day out I see a lot of spitting going on; illegal immigrant roofing crews spit while they work, garbage collectors spit while they work and I routinely see the 6th-grade-dropout flat work tradesman spitting while bending re-bar in the trenches.

In my opinion, Tiger Woods is a billionaire and ought to behave a little more like a gentleman and a little less like a Haitian rag-picker. You're free to disagree.

I just think it's a shame to see the greatest golf talent in history behaving like a spoiled brat. Again- feel free to disagree.

I'm out of the discussion now.

I fail to see how Tiger's money makes him inherently more valuable as a human being then "illegal immigrant roofing crews".

[housey63]

I think what Tiger gives the media (who are in his face 24/7) and who he is are probably very different. What about his charities. I live in Australia and after he saw footage of the bushfires here that killed a few hundred people he donated a bunch of signed articles and may even visit with some other golfers when he is down here. A young golfer won a junior tournament and was burnt to death that afternoon. He knows about these things and cares about these things. At the end of the day it is only golf, we all get f#$^% up by it sometimes and we only play for peanuts.

Gee I hope that arrogant sore loser does not do anything to help some people who really need a boost. (sarcasm)

[jshiver15]

dcdunk3, on Apr 18 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

all of you just need to get over yourselves and accept that tiger is the greatest player of all time

You've completely missed the entire point of this thread.

[Ronzo]

Pinged, on Apr 18 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

Yes... I've seen football players, soccer players and baseball players spit. I was always lead to believe golf was a gentleman's game. We're generally required to wear nice golf slacks, collared shirts, etc. It has historically been the sport of presidents and gentlemen.

Now day in and day out I see a lot of spitting going on; illegal immigrant roofing crews spit while they work, garbage collectors spit while they work and I routinely see the 6th-grade-dropout flat work tradesman spitting while bending re-bar in the trenches.

In my opinion, Tiger Woods is a billionaire and ought to behave a little more like a gentleman and a little less like a Haitian rag-picker. You're free to disagree.

I just think it's a shame to see the greatest golf talent in history behaving like a spoiled brat. Again- feel free to disagree.

I'm out of the discussion now.

Sad to see that elitism like this exists.

Aldous Huxley's Brave New World said it well: "A society of Alphas couldn't fail to be unstable and miserable." You can read that chapter in its entirety here:
http://www.huxley.net/bnw/sixteen.html

Pinged, if it wasn't for people who do the type of work you denigrated, you wouldn't have the time or the leisure to do the work you do. People need to work cooperatively to have a society, and there are always dirty jobs to be done. Without working-class people doing working-class jobs, there's no support base for the administrative workers or the visionaries to devote their time to greater efficiencies and new thinking.

Just a few thoughts and opinions on my part, FWIW.

[TOUCH]

He is a brat and a poor loser, and a no class player. Fu's fly on TV... Trows clubs.
Nicklaus major record is safe I hope now.
Act or not Lefty is the new KING.....carries him self like Mr. Latrobe, PA.
Why do you think that all the TV media calls Phil this generations Arnold Palmer. You would think that would be the case of Eldrick, but no! He is not even in the top ten in rational behavior and coments. He is big headed and lets see a change Mr. Woods. It would only help you. Having the thug on the bag even completes the jack a#$ team.
I can't stand Eldrick..........he has everthing and is only good for TV ratings...yeah let's see every
Tiger shot even though he is 8 off the lead on Sunday. BS.

No majors this year for bandaid swing I predict.

[MCCA]

rblmp32, on Apr 13 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

Christ could we analyze every word he says a little more? He just meant that he was pleased that he played so terribly and still had a damn good chance. That's all.

Amen He's still worlds #1

[thespectator]

I don't care how he behaves or that this post has nothing to do with this particular topic... If you think Tiger isn't going to break Jack's major record, you really don't have a clue.

[2zlinks]

kemau, on Apr 18 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

i listened to peter kessler interview billy casper yesterday on his xm radio show......it made me laugh with all of the different tiger threads i read on golf forums as he basically put to rest all of the back and forth that comes about. mr. casper gave insight to master's champions dinner this year regarding the various topics of tiger vs jack, the conversations amongst true professional golfers spanning all of the eras that have come to know tiger personally and can identify with what it takes to excel at the level he's at, how tiger and phil interact at this gathering and sam snead holding court with the most raunchy stories you'd ever want to hear. bottom line is tiger has the respect of every single one of these men for how he handles himself on and off the golf course. if you listen to a lot of the old school players, they got away with unimaginable things that in this day and age would be considered incredibly inappropriate. i understand there's a glamorous image of golf being a gentleman's game and of the utmost standards but what went unreported would probably change that perception quite a bit. spitting and cursing shouldn't even register on the meter

Coupled with the latest Golf World in which Furyk said "he is pretty gracious". These people KNOW him, that's enough for me. Scary how much venom is inside some of us, just waiting for a reason, or something that resembles a reason, to come spewing out.

[TOUCH]

Don't forget how cheap he is with gratuity, that is documented too.
Even Charles Barkley ( honest big tipper I know first hand) on the golf channel said
Tiger has to reach really deep in the pockets to give a tip.

[tbowles411]

Holy cow, this thread is STILL going?

[MTM]

tbowles411, on Apr 20 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

Holy cow, this thread is STILL going?

Yeah, but I think we almost have concensus and everyone is on the same side now.

[hodgw2]

Half of the posters are crying about things that they should never see anyway. It isn't Tiger's fault that golf coverage is "Tiger TV". If you watch anyone non stop for 6 hours a day, you will probably see them spit, pick their nose, dig in their butt, etc.

My wife and I were watching the Cavs game the other day and the camera showed LBJ tucking his jersey into his tights and his draws/ tights showed. My wife asked what was up with them showing that and I told her its like they do Tiger, He is best player (playing at the time) so they show he every move like he is all alone.

When the # whatever ranked player hits a bad shot he could kill himself on the course after and you would never know. If Tiger farts, they will have audio and some smell stored in a jar.

His behaviour would seem a whole lot better if they showed other GOLFERS sometimes. When Tiger hits they show his entire walk down the fairway, followed by his preshot routine, then flash to other players' shots already in the air.

[mjtoal]

hodgw2, on Apr 21 2009, 06:32 AM, said:

Half of the posters are crying about things that they should never see anyway. It isn't Tiger's fault that golf coverage is "Tiger TV".

You are right. Nobody could fairly accuse Nike of doing anything to promote or encourage TV coverage of Tiger. They would prefer him to walk and play unseen amongst all the other players.

[hodgw2]

mjtoal, on Apr 21 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

hodgw2, on Apr 21 2009, 06:32 AM, said:

Half of the posters are crying about things that they should never see anyway. It isn't Tiger's fault that golf coverage is "Tiger TV".

You are right. Nobody could fairly accuse Nike of doing anything to promote or encourage TV coverage of Tiger. They would prefer him to walk and play unseen amongst all the other players.

Now I see NIKE make the PGA only show Tiger

The PGA knows that people only watch when he is on. Nike has nothing to do with that. You must be or

[TOUCH]

thespectator, on Apr 20 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

I don't care how he behaves or that this post has nothing to do with this particular topic... If you think Tiger isn't going to break Jack's major record, you really don't have a clue.

Ok maybe he will, but it is years off.
4 to tie 5 to surpass as of Masters 09.

[Naffiliate]

harold baines, on Apr 13 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

he did seem grouchy in the post round interview I saw

and I thought it was odd that he called the reporter "dude"

Probably grouchy because he had to listen to that a$$hat Mickelson all damm day..

Also --

you don't win, especially a MAJOR when you only play 3x in a year... he showed some "Tigeresque" moments on Sunday- but his game is still a re-work in progress. Very evident the whole week..

[mjtoal]

hodgw2, on Apr 21 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

mjtoal, on Apr 21 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

hodgw2, on Apr 21 2009, 06:32 AM, said:

Half of the posters are crying about things that they should never see anyway. It isn't Tiger's fault that golf coverage is "Tiger TV".

You are right. Nobody could fairly accuse Nike of doing anything to promote or encourage TV coverage of Tiger. They would prefer him to walk and play unseen amongst all the other players.

Now I see NIKE make the PGA only show Tiger

The PGA knows that people only watch when he is on. Nike has nothing to do with that. You must be or

You must be really dumb if you don't know the extent to which Nike marketing pushed the brand of Tiger constantly since before he turned pro.

The PGA is the Professional Golfers Association. Do you not even know that the PGA Tour is a different organisation??

[D'KRUSHER]

Update : Tiger on Golf Ch. Golf Central last night. Tigr was Smiling, being friendly. Did his Agent & Nike tell him " Get out there & Smile , Dude..." ? !

[mjtoal]

D, on Apr 21 2009, 08:05 PM, said:

Update : Tiger on Golf Ch. Golf Central last night. Tigr was Smiling, being friendly. Did his Agent & Nike tell him " Get out there & Smile , Dude..." ? !

Very probably.

[csiachos]

Remind me to never play golf with alot of you guys. I'd be afraid to even fart.

[Mward2002]

Bummer. I swear when I hit a bad shot and I spit just from doing it for over a decade of playing sports.

Does it matter? I mean really? Why do people get so uppity over a man the super majority of us will never meet, and certainly will never play the game better than?