A man is judged by his character when he is at his lowest
How many men are accosted by a man with a mic on national television at his lowest? Think you'd come out looking good?
considering the fans and the media are the only reason they have the opportunity to do what they do, Id like to think I would carry myself like Arnie
Not everyone is blessed with the temperament of arnold palmer. Yes, I said blessed- it's as much of a talent as knocking down pins. Despite what you'd like to think, I seriously doubt you could muster both the competitive fire to motivate yourself the way Tiger does, AND the benevolence and patience to put up with an incessant media assault. Tiger can't, so he chooses to be good at his job.
As for myself, Tiger has EARNED my respect with his dedication to excellence. He doesn't owe me anything. It's not like I helped him out, gave him a few swing tips, then dropped him off at Augusta when his car broke down. Just like everyone else, I watched as he did the impossible every week- feats he accomplished as a product of his OWN hard work and his OWN dedication, and I'm very, very grateful that I've had the opportunity to watch him play, if only on TV. I think I put 3 or 4 bucks in his pocket when I bought my nike sp-8s. In return, he's given me endless captivating and unforgettable moments.
Could he be a better man? Yes. Could all of you (and me)? Hell yes.
Well you seriously doubt it because of my posting style on the internet? Strange
I seriously doubt it because 99% of the population doesn't have the temperament of an Arnold Palmer. I've yet to see anything in your posts that even hints that you're part of the 1%.
Stick around, you just might see something, and I wasnt aware that you are the statistic authority for the world temperament
some of you guys are beyond off your rocker and pull stats from under your seats
You sure sound as classy as Arnie.
Yoonie, you never know who it is on the other side of the computer screen, food for thought
but since we are classifying each other, I will keep my opinion of you to myself as it really doesnt matter
I'm personally not going to tell tiger what to do on the golf course for a few reasons.
1. I will never be as good as tiger and his anger is what drives him for the never endless pursuit of perfection.
2. He's human, I mean come on, people get mad especially while playing the frustrating sport of golf.
3. He has earned the respect of me and even if people don't like his on course character while he is golfing i think he is a completely different person and his in a zone.
but I also think that tiger has no right to be throwin' clubs on the golf course and that is a bad example for kids and especially his kids as they grow up.play golf and watch him on tv and see their dad being a bad sport on the course. I simply lose all respect for tiger when he throws his clubs.
TW is evil incarnate. He is the personification of everything that is wrong with the world. His work ethic and dedication to excellence should be condemned and shown as an example to all children of what not do do. His lack of perfection is disgusting and he should be roundly criticized each and every day. He should bow down to all of those here as we are without character flaws and have achieved perfection. If cameras followed us at work everyday the nation would only see joy and light. Never a vulgar word would ever be spoken. Perfect gentlemen 100% of time. Tiger is pathetic next the flawless greats here.
Greg
Nice to see an American use sarcasm. It is rather rare.
The point that most are making, and I agree, is that Tiger is a terrible interview, full of either pat media rehearsed answers - didn't make enough putts - no, really?, or catty little asides. He does not have to look too far down the OWGR to find golfers that give considered and interesting interviews. Try Ogilvy, for example.
I don't think wanting Tiger to show a little more grace at times makes me a 'hater': I think TW is a remarkable golfer and has been a massive shot in the arm to the game. However, it was interesting that the veteran commentator Peter Alliss observed on British TV yesterday that he had noticed a definite change in Tiger's attitude, especially towards the press, over the last few years: a suggestion of disdain, and a sneering quality, especially when things haven't gone his way. There is such a thing as behaving like a gentleman even when it's all gone horribly wrong. As Kipling put it, to meet with triumph and disaster and treat them just the same.
Having said that, I can well understand giving terse responses to stupid questions. eg -
Q: 'Are you unhappy at bogeying 18 Tiger?'
I think TW would probably be quite justified in replying 'No I'm f##king ecstatic, what do you think?'
So, perhaps 2 things are needed: Tiger to act a little less like a spoiled child at times, and the press to start asking some sensible questions.
I'm personally not going to tell tiger what to do on the golf course for a few reasons.
1. I will never be as good as tiger and his anger is what drives him for the never endless pursuit of perfection.
2. He's human, I mean come on, people get mad especially while playing the frustrating sport of golf.
3. He has earned the respect of me and even if people don't like his on course character while he is golfing i think he is a completely different person and his in a zone.
but I also think that tiger has no right to be throwin' clubs on the golf course and that is a bad example for kids and especially his kids as they grow up.play golf and watch him on tv and see their dad being a bad sport on the course. I simply lose all respect for tiger when he throws his clubs.
I thought it was in pursuit of Jack's record; now I know that its his temper...
i think the haters should take up a different sport like frolf or something
Ahh yes, the "hater factor". If you disagree or hold a different opinion of me you're a "hater"! Whoever invented that little gem should be drawn and quartered...
The guy is the most dominant clutch putter in the history of the game and I respect him a lot but definitely not a fan; the Tiger mania gets very very old. Yeah I know; today the leaders will drop a load in there pants and Tiger will hit it everywhere but make three clutch putts to win....(insert fist pump).
Tiger doesn't win a couple times, even though he just won last week and haters see it as an opportunity to pounce on his character.
To funny, Tiger is still ranked #1 in the world and you can bet your house he will win multiple tourny's this season with his fantastic clubs.
I will agree though Tiger spitting on the greens is not cool, if someone spits on a green im hitting on and the ball lands in the spit id be kicking my buddies backside
Tiger doesn't win a couple times, even though he just won last week and haters see it as an opportunity to pounce on his character.
To funny, Tiger is still ranked #1 in the world and you can bet your house he will win multiple tourny's this season with his fantastic clubs.
I will agree though Tiger spitting on the greens is not cool, if someone spits on a green im hitting on and the ball lands in the spit id be kicking my buddies backside
That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
But he sure is playing the right equipment- that's why he wins...
but I also think that tiger has no right to be throwin' clubs on the golf course and that is a bad example for kids and especially his kids as they grow up.play golf and watch him on tv and see their dad being a bad sport on the course. I simply lose all respect for tiger when he throws his clubs.
news flash......professional golfers have been throwing their clubs long before tiger. ever think where he might've gotten his example from??? if throwing clubs is your gauge for respect, i think you'll find there's quite an extensive list of names that you'll have to cross off your list
i have zorched through the 3 + pages of slurping on tiger... IT'S GETTING OLD AND I HAVE BEEN CHANGING CHANEL when he come on. Christ i love you to death, but if it weren't for the MILLIONS that TV brought from your success on TV where would you be ???????????????
You'd LPGA type $$$$$$
I'm not quite understanding your post I think but are you asking where would Tiger be without TV? I think the better question is where would the PGA tour be without Tiger. Just look at the rating's. Tiger in contention and the ratings soar. Tiger is the sport right now for the casual fan. Tiger has brought the ratings and the money to the tour not the other way around.
I find it funny how some people tend to nitpick or just try to find something pretty meaningless to complain about,directed at someone who's at the top of their given profession.
Tiger gets paid to play golf, NOT to give interviews or whatever else some people
thinks he needs to be doing to satisfy their ideals of what a perfect professional
golfer s/b doing.
If some of the past greats of the game got the same media coverage TW gets today,
I've got a feeling you might just have a whole different perspective on how they might have been portrayed or conducted themselves.
Arnie used to smoke,was that a good image to teach a younger fan base?
Jack's been known to publicly berate his caddy on occasions when things weren't going his way,etc,etc.
Bottom line,nobody's perfect!
If people didnt nitpick or complain there would be 6 threads on this forum
and a lot less people that think they are better then someone else
on that noe, if adam scott gave me 2 a side, I could beat him.
Ahh yes, the "hater factor". If you disagree or hold a different opinion of me you're a "hater"! Whoever invented that little gem should be drawn and quartered...
Agreed. And I can tell who invented it. Kobe Bryant fans. It then carried over to Tiger and others.
Tiger has a lot of fans for the same reason Barack Obama has fans. And it has nothing to do with golf or politics.
Ahh yes, the "hater factor". If you disagree or hold a different opinion of me you're a "hater"! Whoever invented that little gem should be drawn and quartered...
Agreed. And I can tell who invented it. Kobe Bryant fans. It then carried over to Tiger and others.
Tiger has a lot of fans for the same reason Barack Obama has fans. And it has nothing to do with golf or politics.
he is annoyed becuase these moron reporters shove a mike in his face 5 minutes after he bogeys 18. They are lucky he talks to them at all...i can completely understand...
people judge tiger way too hard.
he can do whatever he wants and act however he wants...he is still my idol and can do no wrong in my book(little sarcasm)
And what does that say about Mickelson who "had the mike shoved in his face" about 5 and 1/2 minutes after he bogied 18 and missed those "kick-ins" on 15 and 17? Seems Phil was rather affable (which he always seems to be) and answered the questions with disappointment, but yet with a smile on his face. I think Phil takes his golf as seriously as Mr. Woods, but realizes that the world doesn't end if he doesn't win. He still has his family to go home to and to some, that's more important than a tournament win, or a loss.
Ahh yes, the "hater factor". If you disagree or hold a different opinion of me you're a "hater"! Whoever invented that little gem should be drawn and quartered...
Agreed. And I can tell who invented it. Kobe Bryant fans. It then carried over to Tiger and others.
Tiger has a lot of fans for the same reason Barack Obama has fans. And it has nothing to do with golf or politics.
Please elaborate...please!
Honestly I don't know where you are going, but they do have things in common like an incredible work ethic and a commitment to achieve. Things you would probably admire in most other people. There are people that respect both of them (though they may not agree with them) for the previously mentioned reasons...but I'm guessing you (and JA5ON) were not going there.
A man is judged by his character when he is at his lowest
How many men are accosted by a man with a mic on national television at his lowest? Think you'd come out looking good?
Plenty of athletes all the time, that's who. And most handle it with something other than short, terse.....leave-me-the-F-alone answers.
Here is a guy who goes out for his practice rounds under the cover of darkness specifically to avoid the media, and YOU, the fans. Eye contact with those "idolize" him, is non-existant. Simply put, he'd rather you stay home and leave him be.
People here crap all over Phil Mickelson for being a false guy who only turns it on for the cameras and fans, but who know what, he friggin tries! He thinks enough of the people that show up to watch him, to recognize their presence, to make them feel special during the time he spends at the course each day. He realizes he's one of the rare people that get to do a job they truly love to do, and shows it on the course, and to the people that appreciate his talent. The guy might be the biggest wanker in the free world away from the course, but he...and a LOT of others out on tour, MAKE the effort.
Eldrick can't be bothered....so my feeling about him is: neither can I.
he is annoyed becuase these moron reporters shove a mike in his face 5 minutes after he bogeys 18. They are lucky he talks to them at all...i can completely understand...
people judge tiger way too hard.
he can do whatever he wants and act however he wants...he is still my idol and can do no wrong in my book(little sarcasm)
And what does that say about Mickelson who "had the mike shoved in his face" about 5 and 1/2 minutes after he bogied 18 and missed those "kick-ins" on 15 and 17? Seems Phil was rather affable (which he always seems to be) and answered the questions with disappointment, but yet with a smile on his face. I think Phil takes his golf as seriously as Mr. Woods, but realizes that the world doesn't end if he doesn't win. He still has his family to go home to and to some, that's more important than a tournament win, or a loss.
I don't think Phil's as serious about golf as Tiger- his physical condition says it all. No professional athlete (and yes, golf is a sport) can say he's completely serious about his game unless he's in peak physical condition- Tiger is and Phil isn't. Don't me wrong, I love Phil (and don't understand how Tiger is such a machine), but the fact that he didn't even really work out or make (very necessary) swing changes to improve his game until recently implies that he's simply not as dedicated.
Dear "Annoyed of Tiger Woods being annoyed" Golf Fans,
Tiger changed the game...for the better. I've never watched the masters in person, but this was the most exciting masters event I've ever seen on TV. Is that because of Mr. Woods? Not entirely, but I'd be interested to see what type of golf coverage we'd be getting if he had never come around. We got to see every moment today. Cameras on every hole, webcam coverage on multiple holes when TV coverage isn't on, coverage of the par 3 contest, interviews, etc. I'm not afraid to say that Tiger is my favorite player, and that he does make some faces or gestures that are a little annoying, but when I also think about myself playing and making the exact same gestures when I don't pull of the shot I wanted, I care much less, and realize the "dude" is human. I also feel that the only reason we don't see threads like this complaining about other guys, is because the camera is constantly on Mr. Woods, and not on the rest of the field. Good or bad as that is, maybe the reason we don't think other guys on the tour spit, drop a club in disgust (I've never actually seen Tiger throw a club, other than at or into his own bag), or make a face, is because we can't see them doing it.
If the guy takes his golf too seriously, I'm not sure you can fault him for doing so. It's his job. If he took it less seriously, would he have 14 majors and 60+ wins under his belt, at the same time pumping billions of dollars into the industry because of his star power, thus giving all golfers more "golf" to enjoy.
Just an opinion.
If someone else hit those drives on 17 and 18 hole like Mr Woods did . They will be labeled as choker.
AMEN!!!!
Do you mean a "choker" like the putts Phil missed on 15 and 17 that never touched the hole? Tiger and the the word choke is an oxymoron!
And Phil still went 1 lower than Woods!
You are correct with your astute observation. However, please note that Phil "still" has eleven (11) less Major Championships than does Tiger!
yoonie, on Apr 12 2009, 10:51 PM, said:
Rudders, on Apr 12 2009, 10:19 PM, said:
LongJohn6284, on Apr 10 2009, 11:03 PM, said:
he is annoyed becuase these moron reporters shove a mike in his face 5 minutes after he bogeys 18. They are lucky he talks to them at all...i can completely understand...
people judge tiger way too hard.
he can do whatever he wants and act however he wants...he is still my idol and can do no wrong in my book(little sarcasm)
And what does that say about Mickelson who "had the mike shoved in his face" about 5 and 1/2 minutes after he bogied 18 and missed those "kick-ins" on 15 and 17? Seems Phil was rather affable (which he always seems to be) and answered the questions with disappointment, but yet with a smile on his face. I think Phil takes his golf as seriously as Mr. Woods, but realizes that the world doesn't end if he doesn't win. He still has his family to go home to and to some, that's more important than a tournament win, or a loss.
I don't think Phil's as serious about golf as Tiger- his physical condition says it all. No professional athlete (and yes, golf is a sport) can say he's completely serious about his game unless he's in peak physical condition- Tiger is and Phil isn't. Don't me wrong, I love Phil (and don't understand how Tiger is such a machine), but the fact that he didn't even really work out or make (very necessary) swing changes to improve his game until recently implies that he's simply not as dedicated.
What's physical condition have to do w/ talking to the media?
Not sure I agree that you have to look like Stone Cold Steve Austin to be considered serious about golf. Some guys like Phil would rather spend time with his kids than lift weights.
I don't think you can say you are entirely dedicated to your family if you never see them. Asleep when you leave and ready for bed when you get home. But at least we know what is most important to Tiger, golf.
/at least according to Hank Haney and those famous Tiger days.
i think the haters should take up a different sport like frolf or something
Ahh yes, the "hater factor". If you disagree or hold a different opinion of me you're a "hater"! Whoever invented that little gem should be drawn and quartered...
It's called far left liberalism. They love using that word.
Not sure I agree that you have to look like Stone Cold Steve Austin to be considered serious about golf. Some guys like Phil would rather spend time with his kids than lift weights.
I don't think you can say you are entirely dedicated to your family if you never see them. Asleep when you leave and ready for bed when you get home. But at least we know what is most important to Tiger, golf.
/at least according to Hank Haney and those famous Tiger days.
Do you have some sort of evidence, proof, or even an internet link to show that Tiger doesn't spend enough time with his children? Or are you just in a habit of attacking people's character with no basis whatsoever?
Good grief. The guy plays fewer tournaments than Phil and you say this? Logic would indicate the opposite, wouldn't it?
According to Hank Haney, Tiger is up at dawn and other than a half hour for lunch, he doesn't stop.
If I am making stuff up, so is Hank Haney I guess. But I guess his word is only gospel when it fits into praising Tiger.
Tiger is a golfing robot created by Earl Woods to do one thing, break Jack Nicklaus record. Good job Earl.
C'mon...he didn't say he doesn't stop. He concludes his work day like anyone else. Are saying those of us that work long hours or have to travel as part of our jobs aren't good parents or don't love our children. I work hard (long hours and travel often) FOR my children. Obviously I'm not saying Tiger works hard for the same reasons I do, but it is lunacy to equate working hard with not loving your children/family. My father raised me to work hard, provide for my family, and be the best I can be. Guess he is horrible like Earl.
According to Hank Haney, Tiger is up at dawn and other than a half hour for lunch, he doesn't stop.
If I am making stuff up, so is Hank Haney I guess. But I guess his word is only gospel when it fits into praising Tiger.
Tiger is a golfing robot created by Earl Woods to do one thing, break Jack Nicklaus record. Good job Earl.
Do you take your kids to work? If not, then who are you to judge Tiger?
Is it possible that Haney is speaking about his star pupil with just a wee bit of hyperbole here?
ghodges, what would your response be if I posted in response to you:
"BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, guess I didn't get the memo that Tiger was the second coming. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, thanks to Tiger, leprosy has been cured. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH."
You guys got some proof that something other than a torn ACL keeps Tiger at home, bring it on. Otherwise go back to praising Tiger for being at "the office" all day, every day.
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