My point is a guy hollers at a sporting event, no obsenity, nothing personal towards a participant and all of the sudden it's treated as a crime. Now what part is not understood? I'm not trying to get into some big argument with a bunch of you people. I'm just saying that the guy paid his money to get in or has a ticket, he did nothing to affect the outcome of anything and he's being treated like a common criminal. It's fricken golf for Christ sake not a religous ceremony and it's open to the public.
I don't need some explanation of golf eticate(sp?) because I've been around the game and biz for over 20 years so I know what you're saying. I'm just saying why is it that these guys are so spoiled and feel entitled to holier than thou treatment.
Having been around the game many years as well, I'm trying to remember 20 years ago where that behavior would have been tolerated? They would take a d0uchebag that was heckling a player and toss him out posthaste. The fact that we've had a decade of morons since the "U Da Man!!!" and "Get in the Hole!!!" guys started following Tiger does not excuse bad behavior.
The rules haven't changed. Enforcement of the rules by tournament officials has. They are so worried about losing their precious sponsorship money and don't have the balls to go into a hospitality tent and tell them that the idiot they gave a ticket to has made an a$$ out of himself and it reflects on the people that invited him.
Again, I don't care if you paid for the ticket. You are paying for the privilege of seeing these players in action. You are not entitled to interact with them, heckle them, or disrupt the enjoyment of the event for the players or the other fans. Whether you feel that the players are spoiled (and we get it, you've only mentioned it three times ) doesn't matter. They are there to do a job and don't need some a$$clown trying to get his 15 minutes of notoriety.
Throw them all out. The hecklers, the drunks, the screamers, the ones sneaking in cameras. All of them. It'll clear some space for the fans that want to enjoy the tournament.
There is no entitlement for ticket holders to behave like jackasses. And if you think "get in the hole" is appropriate for ANYONE to scream just so that they can assslap at the bar later to their buddies and say "I'm the one that yelled that!" just says you are willing to tolerate a lot of moronic behavior.
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Would it be acceptable for someone to shout racial slurs at Tiger Woods if it was 2 seconds after the shot? Based on your logic, it's okay after the shot. What if it was only 1 second? It's either acceptable or it isn't and timing doesn't make a bit of difference.
It can be one second or 3 seconds after the shot I don't really care as long as it isn't when he is thinking about his next shot which I am guessing would be anywhere from 25 seconds to 5 minutes after the previous shot. Racial slurs are a bit more offending than get "get in the water." I didn't say it would be tolerable, I really don't think its that big of a deal if something happens like this once in a great while.
The statement was directed at a golfball not the player. Look, I actually agree with you guys, I just think that with all the disrespectful and personal things aimed towards others in other sporting events that to treat golf like it's ABOVE the others is wrong. I also don't think this should be treated like a crime. The guy hollered at a ball to "get in the water" not "Phil go jump in a lake", LOL!
The statement was directed at a golfball not the player. Look, I actually agree with you guys, I just think that with all the disrespectful and personal things aimed towards others in other sporting events that to treat golf like it's ABOVE the others is wrong. I also don't think this should be treated like a crime. The guy hollered at a ball to "get in the water" not "Phil go jump in a lake", LOL!
If you really believe that statement was directed at the golf ball and not at the guy who hit it then you need not defend your position any further, I get it.
The statement was directed at a golfball not the player. Look, I actually agree with you guys, I just think that with all the disrespectful and personal things aimed towards others in other sporting events that to treat golf like it's ABOVE the others is wrong. I also don't think this should be treated like a crime. The guy hollered at a ball to "get in the water" not "Phil go jump in a lake", LOL!
If you really believe that statement was directed at the golf ball and not at the guy who hit it then you need not explain your position any further, I get it.
i'm pretty sure it was Nick Watney that yelled that.
-Dan Hicks mentioned they should throw the guy out. Johnny was a little more supportive as it's a sporting event and all. Not sure who i think is right
Honestly- you dont know? Why is it such a difficult decision for you? Are you confusing golf with college basketball?
Wow...
i seem to have offended you.
One could argue that it's wrong to throw a paying ticket holder out simply for having an opinion. What he yelled was no more distracting to play than some idiot who yells "get in the hole" after a tee shot on a par 5.
Immature yes...but throw the guy out. I don't know. And having played college basketball i think maybe it would be cool if golf was more like it in some ways
I guess you don't mind when people talk in the movie theater or sit there answering text messages while you try to watch the film? It is called common courtesy.
It's called missing the point--referring to you....my comment was that WHEN he yelled those things Phil's swing had been made. What he yelled did not affect play at all. So to throw him out for what he yelled and NOT throw out people who yell "get in the hole" is essentially throwing someone out because of their opinions, which i'm not sure is right. It's a slippery slope to start doing things like that. If he did it over and over and was a constant distraction fine
someone talking DURING a movie is distracting me from watching my movie. That is not comparing apples to apples. If someone yells something DURING a backswing, kick them out
i'm pretty sure it was Nick Watney that yelled that.
-Dan Hicks mentioned they should throw the guy out. Johnny was a little more supportive as it's a sporting event and all. Not sure who i think is right
Honestly- you dont know? Why is it such a difficult decision for you? Are you confusing golf with college basketball?
Wow...
i seem to have offended you.
One could argue that it's wrong to throw a paying ticket holder out simply for having an opinion. What he yelled was no more distracting to play than some idiot who yells "get in the hole" after a tee shot on a par 5.
Immature yes...but throw the guy out. I don't know. And having played college basketball i think maybe it would be cool if golf was more like it in some ways
I guess you don't mind when people talk in the movie theater or sit there answering text messages while you try to watch the film? It is called common courtesy.
It's called missing the point--referring to you....my comment was that WHEN he yelled those things Phil's swing had been made. What he yelled did not affect play at all. So to throw him out for what he yelled and NOT throw out people who yell "get in the hole" is essentially throwing someone out because of their opinions, which i'm not sure is right. It's a slippery slope to start doing things like that. If he did it over and over and was a constant distraction fine
someone talking DURING a movie is distracting me from watching my movie. That is not comparing apples to apples. If someone yells something DURING a backswing, kick them out
How in God's name do you know what may or may not affect someone during a round of golf? As it turns out, it did not influence the outcome of this tournament but suggesting it wont based on the timing of the offense is absolute garbage. Everyone handles these situations differently- to suggest you "know" what will or what will not is ludicrous...
i'm pretty sure it was Nick Watney that yelled that.
-Dan Hicks mentioned they should throw the guy out. Johnny was a little more supportive as it's a sporting event and all. Not sure who i think is right
Honestly- you dont know? Why is it such a difficult decision for you? Are you confusing golf with college basketball?
Wow...
i seem to have offended you.
One could argue that it's wrong to throw a paying ticket holder out simply for having an opinion. What he yelled was no more distracting to play than some idiot who yells "get in the hole" after a tee shot on a par 5.
Immature yes...but throw the guy out. I don't know. And having played college basketball i think maybe it would be cool if golf was more like it in some ways
I guess you don't mind when people talk in the movie theater or sit there answering text messages while you try to watch the film? It is called common courtesy.
It's called missing the point--referring to you....my comment was that WHEN he yelled those things Phil's swing had been made. What he yelled did not affect play at all. So to throw him out for what he yelled and NOT throw out people who yell "get in the hole" is essentially throwing someone out because of their opinions, which i'm not sure is right. It's a slippery slope to start doing things like that. If he did it over and over and was a constant distraction fine
someone talking DURING a movie is distracting me from watching my movie. That is not comparing apples to apples. If someone yells something DURING a backswing, kick them out
How in God's name do you know what may or may not affect someone during a round of golf? As it turns out, it did not influence the outcome of this tournament but suggesting it wont based on the timing of the offense is absolute garbage. Everyone handles these situations differently- to suggest you "know" what will or what will not is ludicrous...
as far as i know words can't make a ball go off course once it's been hit. So unless the guy is Dr. Manhatten (BTW, Watchmen is awesome) it's safe to say it didn't affect the shot
anyway, let's agree to disagree Hogan and others. This will go on and on...
i'm pretty sure it was Nick Watney that yelled that.
-Dan Hicks mentioned they should throw the guy out. Johnny was a little more supportive as it's a sporting event and all. Not sure who i think is right
Honestly- you dont know? Why is it such a difficult decision for you? Are you confusing golf with college basketball?
Wow...
i seem to have offended you.
One could argue that it's wrong to throw a paying ticket holder out simply for having an opinion. What he yelled was no more distracting to play than some idiot who yells "get in the hole" after a tee shot on a par 5.
Immature yes...but throw the guy out. I don't know. And having played college basketball i think maybe it would be cool if golf was more like it in some ways
I guess you don't mind when people talk in the movie theater or sit there answering text messages while you try to watch the film? It is called common courtesy.
It's called missing the point--referring to you....my comment was that WHEN he yelled those things Phil's swing had been made. What he yelled did not affect play at all. So to throw him out for what he yelled and NOT throw out people who yell "get in the hole" is essentially throwing someone out because of their opinions, which i'm not sure is right. It's a slippery slope to start doing things like that. If he did it over and over and was a constant distraction fine
someone talking DURING a movie is distracting me from watching my movie. That is not comparing apples to apples. If someone yells something DURING a backswing, kick them out
How in God's name do you know what may or may not affect someone during a round of golf? As it turns out, it did not influence the outcome of this tournament but suggesting it wont based on the timing of the offense is absolute garbage. Everyone handles these situations differently- to suggest you "know" what will or what will not is ludicrous...
as far as i know words can't make a ball go off course once it's been hit. So unless the guy is Dr. Manhatten (BTW, Watchmen is awesome) it's safe to say it didn't affect the shot
anyway, let's agree to disagree Hogan and others. This will go on and on...
Happy to know you understand the basic laws of physics...
Thought the comment in broadcast was not only bad....but when dan hicks said what i was thinking..shut your pie hole idiot..and security get rid of him...johnny miller made it worse by saying "oh well that is a sporting event..that is normal..that is how it goes.."...sure it does...as long as yahoos watching at home here you defending it iditot?
not part of golf and disgusting...hope the people near him chewed him out.
Thought the comment in broadcast was not only bad....but when dan hicks said what i was thinking..shut your pie hole idiot..and security get rid of him...johnny miller made it worse by saying "oh well that is a sporting event..that is normal..that is how it goes.."...sure it does...as long as yahoos watching at home here you defending it iditot?
not part of golf and disgusting...hope the people near him chewed him out.
Maybe it was Andy Miller riding by on his 10 speed
some have mention golf being a game of integrity, respect, sportsmenship, etc. i wish i could play golf with you folks at your courses.
what i see is:
--people not repairing pitch marks or replacing divots
--moving their ball to give them a better lie
--dropping the ball 40 further up from where it went into the trees
--driving their carts to fast
--moving around while one is trying to putt
--hitting into groups in front
--throwing clubs
--walking on someone's putting line, etc.
golf has changed a lot in the decades i've been playing, and not necessarily for the better. i may not be able to teach my son how to properly swing a club, but i can teach him etiquette.
definitely inappropiate. however it seems like this happens more often than not. vijay for sure had that happen to him and y.e. yang also when he won the tourney a week before. with ye yang, i rewinded and turned the volume on full blast and heard the same to confirm tho it wasnt so loud like phils. even tho we may not condone it, there are always hecklers and now its getting into the game of golf whether we like it or not.
There is no need for that.
Johnny Miller would've been the first one to throw fits if it was done to him. When he came to Japan, he complained about people taking a picture of him on his finish, dropped out of the tournament right after the round saying Japanese people have no manners.
Rudders, on Mar 16 2009, 07:10 PM, said:
The reason I ask is back at the '08 AT&T National, Ryuji Imada lost a ball in the weedy ditch to the right on #11. My wife and I pointed out to him where we thought the ball was. He scrapped his foot in the grass, found the ball and tossed it to me. After finishing the final hole of the day (and my wife and I were waiting for our player), there was a humber of Japanese kids waiting for Ryuji's autograph. I gave the ball to one of the kids and told him how I got it. His father was behind him and said he saw me get it from Imada on 11. The next scene was just great; the young lad was waving the ball in the air yelling for an autograph. He got it, it made his day and I think SOME players do a great job in building the fan relationship, Imada being one.
Ryuji is solid. He went thru tough times and I am so happy that he is doing well.
There is a Japanese place he always went to during Sugarloaf. He was always personable when he was there and and joking about putter game.
how is rooting against someone in golf any different than rooting against someone in a basketball or football game. it's not like the person screaming could control the ball flight..
To answer your question, it's different because all players in stroke play are technically "fellow competitors". While we all have our favorites, a winner of a stroke play event is simply the person who shoots the lowest score on the course. So if we are rooting against a player, technically we are actually rooting for the course.
Now in match play sure, its player vs player a la the ryder cup.
splitting hairs i know, but technically that's the difference.
(i haven't read through the entire thread so apologies if this has been covered and im repeating anything, cheers)
It was a bit awkward watching it, I instantly hit rewind on my PVR to make sure that I heard it right. I think it was stupid as well but what did the guy think he was going to accomplish lol. I read others saying what other people around the world will think and as a Canadian I can see the same thing happening here, idiots have no borders lol.
This is a pretty simple issue to me. There are people who are respectful and courteous, and people who aren't. If you think this behavior is acceptable, you are most likely in the latter group. Paying for a ticket has nothing to do with it. As mentioned by others, golf is and has always been different than other sports. Encouragement from spectators is fine when done at appropriate times. Screaming anything else is not--no matter what your personal feelings are about a player.
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LBlack14, on Mar 18 2009, 02:43 PM, said:
) doesn't matter. They are there to do a job and don't need some a$$clown trying to get his 15 minutes of notoriety. 
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