[joey3108]

Here are the pictures for you guys to see!

It's a stunning paint job IMO!

Joe

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[One_Putt_Blunder]

Joe thanks for the pics.
Can you tell me about the profile of the shaft and what it compares to as far as spin and ball flight go?

The guys at cool clubs have been saying they are getting some fantastic results with this shaft in the 9015d heads. I was looking to give the combo a go.

[joey3108]

Similar result to fubuki, except I see a hair lower ball flight on this Kai'li if it installed properly.

I've seen al ot of them come to me from other people installation and customer asking me about why they felt something is wrong. Tipping on this shaft is critical to get the right playing flex.

Joe

[scratchskier]

What about the ali'islei?

[hattrick3518]

looks great, i like the silver on black, not too distracting

[deukee]

joey3108, on Mar 4 2009, 03:13 PM, said:

Similar result to fubuki, except I see a hair lower ball flight on this Kai'li if it installed properly.

I've seen come to me from other people installation and customer asking me about why they felt something is wrong. Tipping on this shaft is critical to get the right playing flex.

Joe

Joe,

Is tipping required prior to installing on the driver? My understanding was tipping is needed only if you wanted to achieve certain CPM or have it little stiffer than stated CPMs. I had mine installed with SST puring at a reliable club fitter but I don't think any tipping was done. I do like the driver and haven't found anything particularly wrong with it. Just curious about the tipping part.

Thanks!

[Schilly]

I love the look of the Mitsubishi stuff. I like that they have gone against the trend of making the shaft look like a glow stick... Hey I used to have a toy light saber as a kid, but I don't think it helps me hit the golf ball! IN fact to me the bright colors are actually distracting at address.


Thank you Mitsubishi!

[joey3108]

deukee, on Mar 4 2009, 01:23 PM, said:

joey3108, on Mar 4 2009, 03:13 PM, said:

Similar result to fubuki, except I see a hair lower ball flight on this Kai'li if it installed properly.

I've seen come to me from other people installation and customer asking me about why they felt something is wrong. Tipping on this shaft is critical to get the right playing flex.

Joe

Joe,

Is tipping required prior to installing on the driver? My understanding was tipping is needed only if you wanted to achieve certain CPM or have it little stiffer than stated CPMs. I had mine installed with SST puring at a reliable club fitter but I don't think any tipping was done. I do like the driver and haven't found anything particularly wrong with it. Just curious about the tipping part.

Thanks!

Correct if you are trying to get a true flex of the shaft and the right performance.

AGAIN and again, I never agree building up shaft going by CPM numbers only not knowing the shaft specs, character, and construction of it.

Good for ya if you like it the way it is!

[krob]

hit it in a new srixon driver at the store a couple days ago. it was very smooth not for me but a nice shaft.

[Johnny]

If it would stop raining I would have a chance to try this out... it's in my R9

[bluetrane]

aahh. The double flower band. lol.

[GoDucks85257]

Mr. Kwok,

I have some very good club building skills. I am not testing your knowledge what so ever, but I do have a question about the diamana kai'li shaft. You said you have to tip it correctly in order to hit the right flex. I thought all of diamana products were made to be put straight in.... Unless you are building to frequency why would you have to worry about tipping the shaft? If you tip the shaft to much you will end up lowering the overall torque of the shaft correct. Please fill me in on what you are talking about?

Tyler Fisher

[Deadpool_25]

That's a beautiful looking shaft. Sounds like a performer too!

[joey3108]

GoDucks85257, on Mar 4 2009, 09:28 PM, said:

Mr. Kwok,

I have some very good club building skills. I am not testing your knowledge what so ever, but I do have a question about the diamana kai'li shaft. You said you have to tip it correctly in order to hit the right flex. I thought all of diamana products were made to be put straight in.... Unless you are building to frequency why would you have to worry about tipping the shaft? If you tip the shaft to much you will end up lowering the overall torque of the shaft correct. Please fill me in on what you are talking about?

Tyler Fisher

Your answer is on post #8

Tipping is a common practise for a GOOD clubmaker /Fitter if he knows what he is doing and very experience with it. Lots of shaft out there with 4" parallel tip section are build to accommodate bore through head design which will require tipping properly for a certain type head design. Tipping is also a common practise to manipulate the specs to a sub flex SS or manipulating kick point. Minimal effect on torque!

[SCFgolfs]

bluetrane, on Mar 4 2009, 05:18 PM, said:

aahh. The double flower band. lol.

I know it's probably a great quality product, but I'm personally adverse to having flowers all over my clubs. The Fubuki proto is by far the best looking shaft they've made lately, IMO.

[Schilly]

SCFgolfs, on Mar 4 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

bluetrane, on Mar 4 2009, 05:18 PM, said:

aahh. The double flower band. lol.

I know it's probably a great quality product, but I'm personally adverse to having flowers all over my clubs. The Fubuki proto is by far the best looking shaft they've made lately, IMO.

They are there to instill a feeling of peace and tranquility so you will relax and mash!

[joey3108]

I just added a shaft specs on the top!

THX!

Joe

[T1MO]

How does it play compared to the blueboard? I love the blueboard in my fairway and want to get the Kai'li or Fubuki in my driver!

Thanks

[joey3108]

T1MO, on Mar 5 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

How does it play compared to the blueboard? I love the blueboard in my fairway and want to get the Kai'li or Fubuki in my driver!

Thanks

Lower spins and a little tighter feel.

[jci13]

For those interested I had Joe install the 70 X in my driver and 80X in my 3W and was able to put them in play today here in Indiana. The first thing I noticed was the feel. To me it has the feel of the blueboard shaft with the spin reduction of the Fubuki but the shafts are tighter than the blueboard on dispersion wise. As for the Fubuki I had Joe install one (prototype) in an FT-5 LCG heas last year and loved the club but felt the shaft would be a bette fit for me if it was a little tighter in the dispersion category. The Kai'Li is what I was searching for. Thanks Joe for everything!

[Johnny]

it launches pretty high for me, but the feel is very very good and it is a tight shaft. I'm thinking I need to have it tipped at a minimum 1/2 inch and retry it.

[wpfisher]

Johnny, what is your swingspeed? And were you referring to the Kai'li or the fubuki. I have a whiteboard, and am wondering about the other two.

[Johnny]

wpfisher, on Mar 7 2009, 02:57 PM, said:

Johnny, what is your swingspeed? And were you referring to the Kai'li or the fubuki. I have a whiteboard, and am wondering about the other two.

my swingspeed is around 108 and I was refering to the Kai'li.

[Metalhead]

Johnny- nice to see the ho in you come out once in awhile........btw- which weight shaft are doing with the r9, 60 or 70?


Josh

[wpfisher]

I average around 115, and like the whiteboard 73x. Blueboard was too spinny for me, and since Joe is gonna build a new ft-9 draw bias, I am looking for ideas in regards to shafts. There is nothing wrong with the whiteboard, just trying to optimize.

[joey3108]

Jeff,
Thanks a bunch for your quick review, COLD? what cold ha

I tipped Jeff's pretty close to 1" and his 3 wood with Kai'li 80 tipped 1.5" for s slightly softer flex considering of the deck shots and hitting for tight par 4.

We can tell by the torque ratting that Kai'li is a tighter shaft. That is why probably Phil went with 83gr FUBUKI which is a tighter shaft specs compare to 73 for his type of swing.

I'm still waiting for my R9 contact. Not to concern with the heads to much, I'm more interested trying out their tour sleeve for testing purposes.

Joe

[Johnny]

Metalhead, on Mar 7 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

Johnny- nice to see the ho in you come out once in awhile........btw- which weight shaft are doing with the r9, 60 or 70?


Josh

70g...in stiff... need to tip maybe

[Diamana_Stinger]

anyone thinking of putting an 80 in a driver? I have a new xdrive 901, the 71grams for the x flex 70 isnt as heavy as I would like.

[wpfisher]

Yes, after I talk with Joe. Going for a ft-9 tour 9.5 draw, 2* open with either a whiteboard 73x, fubuki 70ish-80ishx, or the Kai'li 70 or 80x.

[dlefty]

jci13, on Mar 7 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

For those interested I had Joe install the 70 X in my driver and 80X in my 3W and was able to put them in play today here in Indiana. The first thing I noticed was the feel. To me it has the feel of the blueboard shaft with the spin reduction of the Fubuki but the shafts are tighter than the blueboard on dispersion wise. As for the Fubuki I had Joe install one (prototype) in an FT-5 LCG heas last year and loved the club but felt the shaft would be a bette fit for me if it was a little tighter in the dispersion category. The Kai'Li is what I was searching for. Thanks Joe for everything!

joey3108, on Mar 7 2009, 05:39 PM, said:

Jeff,
Thanks a bunch for your quick review, COLD? what cold ha

I tipped Jeff's pretty close to 1" and his 3 wood with Kai'li 80 tipped 1.5" for s slightly softer flex considering of the deck shots and hitting for tight par 4.

We can tell by the torque ratting that Kai'li is a tighter shaft. That is why probably Phil went with 83gr FUBUKI which is a tighter shaft specs compare to 73 for his type of swing.

I'm still waiting for my R9 contact. Not to concern with the heads to much, I'm more interested trying out their tour sleeve for testing purposes.

Joe

Looks like this shaft has 3" of PTS, and a 70X in a driver tipped 1", along with a 1.5" tipping in a 3wood.......that sounds like it will really make these shafts play a bunch stiffer. Jeff, what is your clubhead speed?

I am very curious about this golf shaft, just trying to better understand it.

[joey3108]

dlefty, on Mar 7 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

jci13, on Mar 7 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

For those interested I had Joe install the 70 X in my driver and 80X in my 3W and was able to put them in play today here in Indiana. The first thing I noticed was the feel. To me it has the feel of the blueboard shaft with the spin reduction of the Fubuki but the shafts are tighter than the blueboard on dispersion wise. As for the Fubuki I had Joe install one (prototype) in an FT-5 LCG heas last year and loved the club but felt the shaft would be a bette fit for me if it was a little tighter in the dispersion category. The Kai'Li is what I was searching for. Thanks Joe for everything!

joey3108, on Mar 7 2009, 05:39 PM, said:

Jeff,
Thanks a bunch for your quick review, COLD? what cold ha

I tipped Jeff's pretty close to 1" and his 3 wood with Kai'li 80 tipped 1.5" for s slightly softer flex considering of the deck shots and hitting for tight par 4.

We can tell by the torque ratting that Kai'li is a tighter shaft. That is why probably Phil went with 83gr FUBUKI which is a tighter shaft specs compare to 73 for his type of swing.

I'm still waiting for my R9 contact. Not to concern with the heads to much, I'm more interested trying out their tour sleeve for testing purposes.

Joe

Looks like this shaft has 3" of PTS, and a 70X in a driver tipped 1", along with a 1.5" tipping in a 3wood.......that sounds like it will really make these shafts play a bunch stiffer. Jeff, what is your clubhead speed?

I am very curious about this golf shaft, just trying to better understand it.

44.75" D6SW 257-258 CPM.

See this is the type of thing I kept on saying that I don't do cut and glue ONLY. CPM wise is probably telling me a soft X, but in reality with this type of specs is more of real X IMO...especially knowing the shaft has a very smooth feel to it.

Joe

[jci13]

The last time I was tested (about 1 yr ago) my specs were: 112 avg swingspeed w/driver. I was playing a BB83 X flex in R7 TP Tour head at 44.5" length, D5 swingweight. I have played 1 18 hole round and 1- 9 hole round with the driver and 3W. So far I really like how the shaft has peformed. Like I said earlier to me it has the feel of the BB shafts with spin reduction of the Fubuki while playing tighter dispersion. Granted I have limited experience with it in 50* weather. I will post an updated review once I a few more rounds with it and the weather here in Indiana warms up a little bit. Thanks!

[pjccjp]

Hello Joe,

I have a question I was wondering if you might comment on. I have a Titleist D2 and a D3, both with the Diamana Kai Li shaft (60 x5ct S-flex, pured). While I have not had these on a launch monitor, I have been on a Trackman with my previous driver (an Epon) with a Whiteboard in it. Good launch and spin numbers with it. SS is approx 100-104 with the driver. Took the three out to the course to test and consistently hit the D2 the farthest. Interestingly, trajectory was similar between all three. Here is my question. The D3 was noticable shorter than the D2, with exact same shaft, swing weight, etc. Do you have an opinion as to why they might be that different? If so based on my brief explanation here, do you know of any shafts that seen to match up to the D3 head well? I really like the smaller head of the D3, but the performance will keep it out of the bag at the moment. Any thoughts you may have would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Pat

[tolsenbb]

Is the 70 gram really higher launch than the 60 gram?
Thanks

[joey3108]

pjccjp, on Mar 10 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

Hello Joe,

I have a question I was wondering if you might comment on. I have a Titleist D2 and a D3, both with the Diamana Kai Li shaft (60 x5ct S-flex, pured). While I have not had these on a launch monitor, I have been on a Trackman with my previous driver (an Epon) with a Whiteboard in it. Good launch and spin numbers with it. SS is approx 100-104 with the driver. Took the three out to the course to test and consistently hit the D2 the farthest. Interestingly, trajectory was similar between all three. Here is my question. The D3 was noticable shorter than the D2, with exact same shaft, swing weight, etc. Do you have an opinion as to why they might be that different? If so based on my brief explanation here, do you know of any shafts that seen to match up to the D3 head well? I really like the smaller head of the D3, but the performance will keep it out of the bag at the moment. Any thoughts you may have would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Pat

If i answer, it would be purely guessing. maybe the LA vs spin rate is not optimal on D3.

Tolsenbb,
It should be the other way around.

[Flames20]

Hi Joe, I am wondering if you can answer a question for me on the Kai'li. I am thinking about putting a 70X into a 909D3 or a 73x whiteboard as I apply alot of backspin to my driver. I am a little scared of the boardiness of the whiteboard and know that the Kai'li is similar but a little smoother. Do you have any idea what the cpm's would be for the 2 shafts?? I am used to about 261-264 in the drivers i was using, and that seems to be a good number for me. My swing speed is about 103-108 mph. Any input you have would be greatly appreciated.

[joey3108]

Flames20, on Mar 13 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

Hi Joe, I am wondering if you can answer a question for me on the Kai'li. I am thinking about putting a 70X into a 909D3 or a 73x whiteboard as I apply alot of backspin to my driver. I am a little scared of the boardy-ness of the whiteboard and know that the Kai'li is similar but a little smoother. Do you have any idea what the cpm's would be for the 2 shafts?? I am used to about 261-264 in the drivers i was using, and that seems to be a good number for me. My swing speed is about 103-108 mph. Any input you have would be greatly appreciated.

CPM numbers are not the only factors to judge how stiff the shaft should be for you.

If we just base on your swing speed only, you will need subflex between S and X. Other factrs that need to be calculate is swing tempo, load factor and style of play. Plus How much spin do you have now with what set up? All numbers from LM need to be laid on the table too. I can tell you one thing that the biggest factor to reduce spinrate is loft and angle of attack. There are no shaft out there can reduce tremendously without fixing those problem first...so now it's depending on your complete LM data. Kai'li is definitely a good choice for you if those are what you are comparing it with.

Joe

[Flames20]

So I guess you don't know what the cpm's would be then?

[joey3108]

Flames20, on Mar 16 2009, 02:11 PM, said:

So I guess you don't know what the cpm's would be then?

One man cpm machine is not the same to others!

Do you really want to use a CPM # to build your?

There are no standardization such as ASTM on CPM machine that i know of yet.

[Eddie]

How different are the 60 and 70 gram versions?