[andyspu1]

Hi,

I was wondering if the Scotty Cameron ball tool can really be used as advertised.

I know it states USGA approved but according to the rules no direction helpers are allowed.

Does anyone know if also R&A approved it.

Thanks
Andy

[kevcarter]

There is nothing in the rules of golf that would not allow it's use as long as it is removed prior to the stroke. No difference with the R&A.

Kevin

[nickpoz]

The fact that it says USGA conforming and also there are several guy on tour using it id say its safe to use

[kevcarter]

nickpoz, on Feb 6 2009, 07:43 AM, said:

The fact that it says USGA conforming and also there are several guy on tour using it id say its safe to use

Nick, I thought the rules guys were just TCC members who looked the other way!

Kevin

[golfismygame]

http://www.pgatour.c...mark/index.html
Quote from this article:

Quote

"Everybody thinks ball markers have to be round, but the rules changed five years ago," Cameron said. "Now you can use anything. It could be a phone book if you want.

This is not correct. There was no change on marking 5 years ago, and a ball can not be marked with a phone book. Where do they get these ideas from?

But a Kevin says, nothing wrong as long as the marker is moved prior to the stroke.
But 44$ ????

[HoosierGolfer]

KevCarter, on Feb 6 2009, 08:45 AM, said:

nickpoz, on Feb 6 2009, 07:43 AM, said:

The fact that it says USGA conforming and also there are several guy on tour using it id say its safe to use

Nick, I thought the rules guys were just TCC members who looked the other way!

Kevin

LOL.......

[HoosierGolfer]

andyspu1, on Feb 6 2009, 08:18 AM, said:

Hi,

I was wondering if the Scotty Cameron ball tool can really be used as advertised.

I know it states USGA approved but according to the rules no direction helpers are allowed.

Does anyone know if also R&A approved it.

Thanks
Andy

Scotty has a great, How To Use video that is worth the time to check out.
Click For Video Page

[kevcarter]

golfismygame, on Feb 6 2009, 07:59 AM, said:

http://www.pgatour.c...mark/index.html
Quote from this article:

Quote

"Everybody thinks ball markers have to be round, but the rules changed five years ago," Cameron said. "Now you can use anything. It could be a phone book if you want.

This is not correct. There was no change on marking 5 years ago, and a ball can not be marked with a phone book. Where do they get these ideas from?

But a Kevin says, nothing wrong as long as the marker is moved prior to the stroke.
But 44$ ????

Please show me where you couldn't use a phone book to mark your ball.

Kevin


20-1/16 Method Used to Mark Position of Ball

Q. The Note to Rule 20-1 provides that “the position of a ball to be lifted should be marked by placing a ball-marker, a small coin or other similar object immediately behind the ball.” Is a player penalized if he uses an object that is not similar to a ball-marker or small coin to mark the position of his ball?

A. No. The provision in the Note to Rule 20-1 is a recommendation of best practice, but there is no penalty for failing to act in accordance with the Note.

Examples of methods of marking the position of a ball that are not recommended, but are permissible, are as follows:

• placing the toe of a club at the side of, or behind, the ball;

• using a tee;

• using a loose impediment;

• scratching a line, provided the putting green is not tested (Rule 16-1d) and a line for putting is not indicated (Rule 8-2b). As this practice may cause damage to the putting green, it is discouraged.

However, under Rule 20-1 it is necessary to physically mark the position of the ball. Reference to an existing mark on the ground does not constitute marking the position of a ball. For example, it is not permissible to mark the position with reference to a blemish on the putting green.

When moving a ball or ball-marker to the side to prevent it from interfering with another player’s stance or stroke, the player may measure from the side of the ball or ball-marker. In order to accurately replace the ball on the spot from which it was lifted, the steps used to move the ball or ball-marker to the side should be reversed. (Revised)

[HoosierGolfer]

I never thought about a phone book. What was I thinking? I have been using a concrete block for several years and it is getting to be a real pain at times. My wife hates it when I leave it in my pocket and she does the laundry, not to mention what it is doing to my back!

[kevcarter]

CallawayOnly, on Feb 6 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

I never thought about a phone book. What was I thinking? I have been using a concrete block for several years and it is getting to be a real pain at times. My wife hates it when I leave it in my pocket and she does the laundry, not to mention what it is doing to my back!

I have found it stretches my pockets. I have designed a special back pack that you can use to carry the phone book, and it is not intrusive to your swing as long as you use Stack & Tilt. It may get in the way for a Hogan type Rotory swing, but only if you use a snap release.

You can buy it today for the introductory price of $99.95, and I will include the phone book of your choice, with hand drawn alignment lines in the color of your choice.

Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery.
Local sales tax applicable
Lifetime warranty
Your mileage may vary

Kevin

[golfismygame]

The Rules does not specify that you can't use a phone book, a chair or an elephant to mark the ball with, but I'm quite confident that the RB's would not call it precise.
I would not - even to make a joke - suggest that it was OK.

Not even a glove is regarded as a "small object" and the ball must be re-dropped, if it hit the glove in the drop. (D.20-2a/7)

[HoosierGolfer]

KevCarter, on Feb 6 2009, 09:23 AM, said:

CallawayOnly, on Feb 6 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

I never thought about a phone book. What was I thinking? I have been using a concrete block for several years and it is getting to be a real pain at times. My wife hates it when I leave it in my pocket and she does the laundry, not to mention what it is doing to my back!

I have found it stretches my pockets. I have designed a special back pack that you can use to carry the phone book, and it is not intrusive to your swing as long as you use Stack & Tilt. It may get in the way for a Hogan type Rotory swing, but only if you use a snap release.

You can buy it today for the introductory price of $99.95, and I will include the phone book of your choice, with hand drawn alignment lines in the color of your choice.

Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery.
Local sales tax applicable
Lifetime warranty
Your mileage may vary

Kevin

[gjones77]

A $44 ball marker... You're kidding me right?

The funny thing is, he'll sell millions of them because everyone will see his name on it, and I guarantee that some site will be selling the "Tour Only" Miura forged version of this ball marker made with a stronger metal with lines that were etched on using a special process that ensure that they are accurate to within .0000000000005 microns.

[KMeloney]

golfismygame, on Feb 6 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

http://www.pgatour.c...mark/index.html

I still don't see HOW this thing works any differently/better than only lining up the line on the ball. What am I missing?

[billybaroo]

KMeloney, on Feb 6 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

golfismygame, on Feb 6 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

http://www.pgatour.c...mark/index.html

I still don't see HOW this thing works any differently/better than only lining up the line on the ball. What am I missing?

A big cup of Scotty Kool-Aid!

[kevcarter]

golfismygame, on Feb 6 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

The Rules does not specify that you can't use a phone book, a chair or an elephant to mark the ball with, but I'm quite confident that the RB's would not call it precise.
I would not - even to make a joke - suggest that it was OK.

Not even a glove is regarded as a "small object" and the ball must be re-dropped, if it hit the glove in the drop. (D.20-2a/7)

Not making a joke. Did you even bother reading the posted decision? What does re dropping have to do with the procedure used for marking a ball?

Kevin

[HoosierGolfer]

Kevin,
I think it is a little like beating your head against a wall!

[kevcarter]

CallawayOnly, on Feb 6 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Kevin,
I think it is a little like beating your head against a wall!

So what else is new? We can post directly from the book, but can't make them read...

[KMeloney]

Anyone care to tell me how this thing is supposed to be used?

[kevcarter]

KMeloney, on Feb 6 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

Anyone care to tell me how this thing is supposed to be used?

Here you go:

http://www.scottycam...ails.aspx?id=31

Kevin

[KMeloney]

KevCarter, on Feb 6 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

KMeloney, on Feb 6 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

Anyone care to tell me how this thing is supposed to be used?

Here you go:

http://www.scottycam...ails.aspx?id=31

Kevin

Thanks! (Well, no thanks. LOL) It's used exactly as I thought -- you're aligning IT to the line, and your ball to IT (and not the ball to the intended line). I'm not feeling it.

[HoosierGolfer]

KevCarter, on Feb 6 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

CallawayOnly, on Feb 6 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Kevin,
I think it is a little like beating your head against a wall!

So what else is new? We can post directly from the book, but can't make them read...

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. These horses can't even be led!

[kevcarter]

KMeloney, on Feb 6 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

KevCarter, on Feb 6 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

KMeloney, on Feb 6 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

Anyone care to tell me how this thing is supposed to be used?

Here you go:

http://www.scottycam...ails.aspx?id=31

Kevin

Thanks! (Well, no thanks. LOL) It's used exactly as I thought -- you're aligning IT to the line, and your ball to IT (and not the ball to the intended line). I'm not feeling it.

Not my deal either, I can't look at the line on the ball without freaking out. I only want to see white. Probably a great tool for those who think differently about the line. Thank goodness, saved me $44.00!

Kevin

[jaskanski]

[/quote]

Not my deal either, I can't look at the line on the ball without freaking out. I only want to see white.
[/quote]

Moi aussi,
I always replace my ball with logo down so all I see is a plain old golf ball. Works for me.

[KMeloney]

I definitely need to use the line on the ball -- but that's it. I don't need to line up something else, and then line up the line of the ball to the marker line. I mean, why add a step?

[allsportscoach]

I can never used the line on the ball to line up, if I line it up where I think then when I get over it the line isn't right. I just gave up and just putt. But I would like to try the new ball marker see if it help.

[kevcarter]

KMeloney, on Feb 6 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

I definitely need to use the line on the ball -- but that's it. I don't need to line up something else, and then line up the line of the ball to the marker line. I mean, why add a step?

Whatever works. Some folks like chocolate, some like vanilla, I like them mixed...

Kevin

[highergr0und]

The ball marker needs to be used for it's primary purpose. There's a provision in the rules (14-3) about unusual use of equipment. I can't imagine ever being penalized for lining up the ball marker at the hole as long as you pick it up before you address the ball. Now if I could get my hands on a ball marker that shoots out a laser identifying the break of the putt and some glasses with filters so I'm the only one that sees it I'd be good to go

[jmck]

This is from the PGATour.com article:

"Cameron got the idea earlier this year after he became aggravated watching professional golfers spend so much time going back and forth between the ball and the hole to make sure their balls were aimed properly at the cup."

....So....he's saying that his new $44 ball marker which is designed to be used with a simple five step alignment process along with the Titeliest's patented A.I.M. system (aka a line on a golf ball) is borne out of frustration with slow play on the greens?

Lord help us. Here comes the 7 hour round. Thanks, Scotty. Way to be.

[The Boom Bapp]

Not for everybody but it has merit to be usefull.
Good piece of innovation from Scotty, it just shows why he is good as what he does, the guy is always watching and thinking.

Like to know what made him think it was worth $44?

[Rhod]

Greed!

[Hondabuff]

I have made more 6 footers with the ball tool then without. Yes your foursome will flame you about it but cant deny the results. Way easier to see your line from 6ft and in.

[DemolitionMan]

Why bother with the Scotty marker, just get a putter with the marker built in.



The Merlin Putter! Perception....correction....perfection!

[larrybud]

The Boom Bapp, on Feb 6 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

Not for everybody but it has merit to be usefull.
Good piece of innovation from Scotty, it just shows why he is good as what he does, the guy is always watching and thinking.

Like to know what made him think it was worth $44?

It's worth $44 because that what people will pay him for it.

[Hoover98]

larrybud, on Feb 9 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

The Boom Bapp, on Feb 6 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

Not for everybody but it has merit to be usefull.
Good piece of innovation from Scotty, it just shows why he is good as what he does, the guy is always watching and thinking.

Like to know what made him think it was worth $44?

It's worth $44 because that what people will pay him for it.

Exactly. Why do they charge $450 to play Pebble Beach? Because they can't get $750. Well, they probably could, but you get my point. Value is in the demand.

[02bluesuperroo]

For those who use the line on their ball to line up their putt it is actually a pretty useful tool. Instead of finding your line, putting down your ball, stepping back to make sure its aligned properly, adjusting, stepping back, adjusting, stepping back and then stepping up to putt, you put the tool down, decide what line on the tool you need to start your putt on and then putt down your ball aimed correctly according to the marker.

This way, you're seeing the lines on your marker and the line you want to start the putt on at the same time. If the straight line isn't perfect for your putt you don't have to go adjust the placement of the ball or the tool. You just use one of the other lines to place your ball. Technically, once you decide on a putting line and which aiming line on the tool to use, you should only have to line up your ball once and then putt it. It should eliminate going back and forth to be sure you have everything lined up right.

My .02.


PS. I won't buy one until I can get one used or new for under $20/shipped. $45 is just a joke, especially since the pivot tool is only $10.

[golf_fanatik]

I bought this one on ebay for like $15. I don't care it doesn't say Scotty Cameron or circle T. As a matter of fact, I like this one better because it has a few more lines.

Haven't used it on the course yet though.

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[02bluesuperroo]

Link?

[Harry Longshanks]

From the link (provided above by jmck) to the SC site:

Quote

Here's how it works:

Step 1
When marking your ball on the green with the Ball Tool, take a look at your line or break and set the Ball Tool down along your chosen line using the three large milled lines on the Ball Tool to choose your general line or break to the hole. Then, pick up your ball.

Step 2
After picking up your ball, you can then step back and sight in your chosen line to the cup using the Ball Tool's three lines to create what Scotty calls the ''railroad effect''. These are the imaginary lines on which we try to envision the ball tracking to the hole. Say you've lined up the center of the Ball Tool a little left. Look at the smaller tick marks on the Ball Tool and determine how far. Did you miss a half-tick, one or two?

Step 3
When you're ready to putt, use the A.I.M (Alignment Integrated Marking) sidestamp on your Titleist -- or your own line -- and set it along the center line on the Ball Tool.

Step 4
Remembering that you originally aimed the Ball Tool a little left of your chosen line, ''dial'' in the line on your ball (don't move the Ball Tool) according to the number of ''ticks'' you think you were off.

Step 5
Pick up the Ball Tool, then putt using the line you've chosen.

Good grief. As if slow play isn't already a problem. Who did SC work with in designing this thing, J.B. Holmes and Ben Crane???

[J13]

I've used one and it works well but a friend of mine (metal worker) is going to make me one for 1 cent worth of metal lol. He saw it then the price and nearly died laughing. His quote was "I make 500 of those a day when I cut corners from sheet of metal, I should be a millionaire"