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#181 DoubleEagleAt12

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 04:56 PM

Would a 4x36 with 240 grit be just as good as a 2x36 sander for this work.?


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:53 AM

Just waiting on yoda(Joey ) to tell me if a 4x36 will work just as good as a 2 x 36. Would be just so easy to buy a craftsman that size and cheaper than buying the attachment for the grinder hoping it fits and then buying a new grinder. Talk to me yoda , grind wedges, I will.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:56 AM

I have a 1 x 30 belt sander and bench grinder with a deburring,nylon, and buffing wheel. Think I gotta have the the attachment for the 2 x36 belts, but man I hope you  save the 4 x 36 1/3 HP craftsman would work just as well.   I don't think the 1 in wide areas I'm working with re enough.  The 2 in area seems like you can really shape the wedge, I'm afraid the 4 in is too big.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:19 AM

looks hard, I had an old 58 vokey that had the bounce grinded. It rusted all the time, then I would have to steel wool it. But I was never good enough to feel a difference. Why grind it?

Edited by iheartgolf28, 16 June 2012 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:28 AM

View Postiheartgolf28, on 16 June 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

looks hard, I had an old 58 vokey that had the bounce grinded. It rusted all the time, then I would have to steel wool it. But I was never good enough to feel a difference. Why grind it?

I dont know who grinded your wedge and why, but there is much more to it than static bounce.
- Grinding is done for several reasons, where access to the ball from different lies is #1.
Without good access to the ball you want get full contact.

Sole grinds can also provide some forgiveness in different situations, it can make a wedge to play like an iron on full shots, and like a wedge on others.
Depending on your way of playing your wedges, adjustments can be made, and if done right, you will notice a big difference in your short game.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:06 PM

2" would be minimum!

Ideally it would be better if you could Have a few different rubber wheel that has different grade with a few different sand belt to get in a certain part of the wedge's corners.

I wish money is no object, I would at least gonna get the burr king!!!

Joe

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 03:41 PM

+1


View Postjoey3108, on 22 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

2" would be minimum!

Ideally it would be better if you could Have a few different rubber wheel that has different grade with a few different sand belt to get in a certain part of the wedge's corners.

I wish money is no object, I would at least gonna get the burr king!!!

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:07 AM

What is the burr king? I got a bunch of different wheels 1" wide for my grinder and u can really get a lot done. Think I'm going to have to upgrade that that attachment that you have that takes the 2" wide belts. It looks to be a must.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:50 PM

Burr King is the Trade mark of the "State of the art" belt grinders.
- Heavy, solid, forever lasting......made in the US
http://www.burrking.com/

Dont look at pricing, you only get that "im poor feeling" :-)

Get one of this, they do the job to, but your grand children might not find it it work properly after you are gone, but a Burr King still will. http://www.vansanten...m/multitool.htm

Or this model who is the on im using. I prefer the larger grinding wheel
http://vansantent.co...titool8inch.htm

Edited by Howard Jones, 26 June 2012 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

Howard thanks for your help.
Yea I just ordered the van sant 2 x 36 and upgraded my grinder to the dewalt 5/8 heavy duty 6" grinder. I still have the ryobi . I have all kind of 6 " deburring and polishing wheels, 80 grit, 180 , 240, sum norton bear Tex's , nylons and buffing wheels, I think the boost in grinder performance and the Multitool are really going to speed up things. The dewalt will be here Tom, that's probably the best buy I ever made. I bet it's twice as strong as the ryobi and maybe even quieter . What do y'all think is the best grinder for the van sant Multitool attachment that we all use, or I I'll be soon?


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:36 PM

Vokey wedge works 56-14, P-M grind.
The thing felt like a sledge hammer, E-2 on the swing weight.
This is my first rough pass on it, I will try it out on the course tomorrow to see if I want any more grind on it before I spend the time cleaning up the stray grind lines.
It does look a lot better in real life then in the picture.
It is now a D-6.5 on the swing weight.

* I watched J.Kwok do a few wedges for me a few years ago so I had a small amount of understanding of what to do.
Damn, Joe does do it very well doesnt he!

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:51 AM

Looking on how I did it is always easy until put your hands on it yourself :). I don't even wanna do any grinding after a strong cappuccino.

To make a grnd looks good is not that hard, but making it really work properly and sit/hits correctly.....NOT EASY!

I can make it look like a million dollar and real fancy looking grind.....doesn't really what you need? The fitter is the key there.

So Fitting and grinding need to be in line to get a good result kick a$$ scoring machine.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:36 AM

Joe,  I have been out of the game for 2+ years, a woman ran me over on while on my motorcycle, but I am getting my game back into decent form and plan on calling on your services hopefully by the end of the year.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

No problem, anytime you are ready"

Get well soon!

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:25 PM

I think I would have to try this on an old wedge before trying my gamer.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:01 PM

Joe, how many different grinding wheels do you utilize and what grit? I just got done setting up my home based shope (mainly for my own use) and have 2 bench grinders, one 6 inch and the other 8, and a 4x36 belt grinder. The 8 inch has an older golfsmith or golfworks deburring wheel thats on its last legs. What would your suggestions be for replacements, thanks.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:14 PM

I grinded a Scratch 8620 58/14 DD where i added the P Channel (heel and toe is good as it is from Scratch)
It has not come out to play yet, but it should be nice both from hard fairways and green bunkers for a digger.
http://peecee.dk/upload/view/380814
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http://peecee.dk/upload/view/380817

The object was perfect for this change

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:35 AM

View Postikas70, on 21 July 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Joe, how many different grinding wheels do you utilize and what grit? I just got done setting up my home based shope (mainly for my own use) and have 2 bench grinders, one 6 inch and the other 8, and a 4x36 belt grinder. The 8 inch has an older golfsmith or golfworks deburring wheel thats on its last legs. What would your suggestions be for replacements, thanks.
I wouldn't worry to much if you are only grinding for your own use.

Even finishing it with 100-120 grid will play just fine.

Wedge are about understanding your wedge game style and match it with the grind shape and bounce angle. Finish will be last on the list in your case IMO.

Btw, Most people don't even have half of the tour players skill on how to play their wedges. The creativity of tour players are just amazing, especially top 10 rank players.

What I can tell you, they are all knows how to utilize their bounce angle to their advantage to get it up and down from almost any corners. The creativity even better after the rule to have a conforming grooves.

So think more on how are you gonna grind it, then worry about the finish later.

Joe

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:48 PM

nice grind work

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:08 AM

I'm grinding a fewlder wedges, just for fun.. I have this Vokey 260.04 wide sole wedge, is there anything beneficial I can to with it for a average neutral player? Maybe a leading edge grind of some kind? I thought about a p-grind too, but that kinda removes the point of the wide sole, and I don't think I will ever use it as a bunker club..


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

Why wouldn't u use it from a bunker it's a 60?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

It is a low-bounce lob wedge, so at least the way it is now it is not meant for bunker usage.. And also, the wedge was played along with a 56.14, so I think that one suits the sand a little better..

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

First of all, most people use 60 for bunkers and deep rough around the green or to attack a tight pin placement...basically I call it "trouble wedge".

IMO no one will need 4* bounce on 60*. It's just way to low bounce....it's ok if you are a good striker with packed sand or lots of bare hard pan lies in your course. This club will dig on a wet soft condition.

I also rarely see people playing it with a combination 56.14 in their bag.

Anyway, blunt leading edge and flatten up the front part would give a little more versatility. How much to grind? Depends on the swing/attack angle and skill level.

My 2 cents!

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

Thanks for reply Joe!

It is not my gamer, I play a  58* Scratch wedge ground by Howard Jones, it is just for fun I'm grinding this backup, and to see if I can make something that will improve the wedge!

Will try this weekend, and see how it goes :)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:09 PM

Joe does every vokey wedge weigh the same. Does a 52 weigh the same as a 56 does . Does a 56 weigh the same as a 58. I took the 52 right off the sole of a 52 last night and I actually like it a lot. Just wondering how much weight I lost. Maybe there is some chart I'm missing.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

No, different lofts have different weights. 54 and 56 weighs the same , as do 58 and 60 though. Not sure, but my guess is that the 52 weighs the same as the 50...

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:48 PM

View Postjoey3108, on 05 March 2006 - 01:13 AM, said:

Some of you guys asked me before if i could show you guys a step by step process.

Be aware that operating your tool without caution may give you a severe injury.

It looks very easy but if you never tried it, you will never know how hard it is to make them perfect.

Hope this is help some of your questions.

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Attachment attachmentMarking and planning!
Attachment attachmentStart slowly on the area that need grinding the most to have some room for mistakes or a slip. Slow but sure is my best advice
Attachment attachmentKeep going up slowly and feel your movement along the marking line and the corner area, apply pressure as necessary.
Attachment attachmentKeep checking on your weight on how far you are going.
Attachment attachmentRough finish product.
Attachment attachmentFlap wheel finishing.
Attachment attachmentCheck your finish product!
I'm curious; I often hear about grinding wedges.  Have you ever heard of grinding irons that were bent strong?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:14 AM

Grinding a club is grinding, but to grind wedges is more common than irons.
- Leading edge might be a subject to change by grinding on irons when you go for stronger lofts, but since most irons is with chrome plating, it takes a moment or two to go for it. Every iron set ive stripped for chrome has been grinded.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:57 AM

Awesome tutorial. Thanks for the ideas. Had alot of fun grinding on some junk wedges after reading this.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:13 PM

Got a question...

Are there any detrimental affects if you grind a wedge to change the look of it at address?

I brought some Yururi wedges and they are a little chunky at address (see pic below LH). I wanted to make them a little more compact at address and more tear-drop shaped (see pic adjacent RH).

What kind of affect (if any) will this have and will I have to add lead tape or something to balance the weight back out?

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