[kekoa]

None of my buddies wanted to play today so I decided to go out solo. Walked up to the first tee and the marshall said just go ahead since several fouresomes were stacked up behind me. I thought this was fine hoping I would be able to play through all the groups ahead.

Hole 1.
Hit my drive 270 down the middle and easy sand wedge to 10 feet. 2 putt and i'm off to the next tee.

Hole 2.
Two groups are waiting to hit. group 1 is a fivesome and the group in front of me was a fouresome. I kindly asked the group ahead (fouresome) if I could join them. One guy looks at me and says, 'why don't you join the group behind you?' This never happened to me before and it kind of pissed me off.

I could understand his reaction if a. the pace of play was super fast today; b. if I was a crappy golfer who would hold the group up; or c. if i came across like an a-hole.

Lucky for me, I was able to join the group behind me who were super cool

[Eec55]

yea i kinda feel ya....but sometimes u just want to stay within your group to BS and all. it's weird but sometimes you go to the course and want to avoid that stuff. being a single is tough but the single has no standing on a golf course ever.

[kekoa]

Eec55, on Jan 1 2009, 11:57 PM, said:

yea i kinda feel ya....but sometimes u just want to stay within your group to BS and all. it's weird but sometimes you go to the course and want to avoid that stuff. being a single is tough but the single has no standing on a golf course ever.

i totally understand, but i forgot to mention that the foursome was made up of two separate two-somes.

oh well, guess I can't blame them.

[Pure745]

LOL.. what course was this at?

[kekoa]

Pure745, on Jan 2 2009, 12:11 AM, said:

LOL.. what course was this at?

not funny. it hurt my feelings. lol

was at westridge in la habra

[mygolfbuddy]

People are funny about who they play golf with. Some guys just don't like playing in five-somes. I know that I personally will play with anyone, because I like to play so much, but I do notice that one friend of mine who is not really serious, gets on my nerves because he talks during swings and does other poor etiquette stuff.

What bothers me is that he isn't even interested in learning golf etiquette or improving, but he wants me to play with him whenever he plays.

Stories like yours are why I put a team together and developed MyGolfBuddy.com. I always played as a single because I didnt know anyone else that played golf. Sometimes the experience was okay, but other times the people I got paired with kind of hindered my ability to enjoy the round as much as I usually do, although I always enyoy a golf round no matter what happens or who I play with. Have you used MyGolfBuddy.com yet?

[Pure745]

Thats just people for ya.. i play tustin all the time.. and we were a 2some and were going to join a 2some but they didnt want us to because they were working on a business deal..

A lot of times if its my normal group we dont want people playing w/ us either.. if its 2 2somes i could see why they didnt want another.. 5somes are terribly slow to play in.. sometimes playing as a single sucks.. it all depends on the starter.. sending off a single in between 2 foursomes does not make much sense at all..

[kekoa]

all points are well taken. I am only biassed towards having hackers join my group. It just ruins my day.

ps, i'm a 5 index and play very fast. No practice swings. Just walk up and hit/putt it.

[Pure745]

i hate it more when a slow group wont let a faster group play through.. that's the worst.

[bradski]

the fivesome thing could have been the only reason but the starter should have put you with a group. I mostly go out as a single(I hate trying to arrange for a foursome) and never really have problems with people. I get everything from scratch golfers to the 50 handicap that is so drunk they can barely swing. Almost never get attitude from people. i usually have fun meeting different people.

[Fastmover2]

Fivesome!! Yuk...what is one of those..thankfully never seen one on our side of the Atlantic!

[jaskanski]

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.
This further enhances the single golfers impatience sometimes, but it is clearly no excuse to go bombing drives past the group in front.
Bide your time and keep your cool. No-one wants to see a free-for-all on the course. Choose your tee-time and tee box to avoid the groups. Enjoy your round.

[Bones01gt]

Fivesomes are a NO-GO at a public course.

[Pure745]

kekoa are you the same kekoa that posts on the s2ki.com forums?

[kekoa]

Pure745, on Jan 2 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

kekoa are you the same kekoa that posts on the s2ki.com forums?

yessir. small world huh?

Are you really a 2.8? If so, lets get out there one of these days and battle.

[Pure745]

right now im a 3.3.. im a member at tustin ranch and play there all the time.. so let me know if wanna play there. i can shoot low 70's to low 80's on any given day.. working on being more consistent around the greens and putting.

lol.. same as s2ki.. i've heard some horror stories..

[kekoa]

Pure745, on Jan 2 2009, 02:11 PM, said:

right now im a 3.3.. im a member at tustin ranch and play there all the time.. so let me know if wanna play there. i can shoot low 70's to low 80's on any given day.. working on being more consistent around the greens and putting.

lol.. same as s2ki.. i've heard some horror stories..

whats your handle on s2ki?

can you play on saturdays? what type of green fee am i looking at as your guest. I hardly ever get to play with players better than myself so this would be very fun.

[Pure745]

LOL i cant reveal that info.. i almost got banned like 4 times by BC.

I can play Sats.. for guests its 120 prime time and 88 twilight. Gen public is 160.

I usually try to play during the week twilight for me is only like 45.

[kekoa]

Pure745, on Jan 2 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

LOL i cant reveal that info.. i almost got banned like 4 times by BC.

I can play Sats.. for guests its 120 prime time and 88 twilight. Gen public is 160.

I usually try to play during the week twilight for me is only like 45.

don't worry. i own bc and his wife. she loves me for some reason.

we are better off playing black/gold for $80 through click4teetimes.com

lets set something up soon. I'm on lockdown w/ wife and kids but i'll let you know.

give me 3 a side and bring $$$$

[Pure745]

3 side!??? no way! Straight up!

my name was LB 350Z on there.. im freinds w/ greg and duc and all them..

[kekoa]

Pure745, on Jan 2 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

3 side!??? no way! Straight up!

my name was LB 350Z on there.. im freinds w/ greg and duc and all them..

hmm... are u sure of your index? i can't imagine anyone being good at golf who is friends w/ greg, duc and all those spugen clowns. lmao.

[Pure745]

we can play for $$ and you can find out

[MizunoManMP]

dude i bet they SAW you play the first hole because they were probably backed up waiting to tee of on the next hole. The guy got intimidated and was afraid that you would embarrass him.

[Pure745]

HAHAHAHHA kekoa.. you're the man!

[Bluefan75]

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group’s pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term “group” includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

[tpariff]

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group’s pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term “group” includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

[Bluefan75]

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

[Bones01gt]

Send 'em some air mail!!!! "Oh, I'm so sorry there fivesome...I thought you guys were out of range! Boy, I really nuked that drive though, one of my best ever. I'll try to wait till there's a little more distance between us next time I pull the big stick, but it sure would help if you'd pick up the pace a little. It's almost noon now and I have a dinner date at 7:30. Oh by the way, when you get up there to my ball just leave it, I think I'll play that one."

[JA5ON]

Its the proshops fault for allowing a 5 some, and then not waiting to pair you up with a group
thats 2 fouls on the shops behalf

[tpariff]

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

It's really simple, but I'll give you an example. A course has a full tee sheet until noon and there are a bunch of threesomes and foursomes already on the course. A single shows up and wants to play, but there are no other groups for him to join (i.e. the tee sheet is wide open after noon), so they "take his money" and send him out. In most cases they will tell the single the course is full and that it will be a long day. He obviously would play faster than a group of 3 or 4, but when he catches the groups in front, should they let him play through? Absolutely NOT!!! There's no place for him to go because the course is full of threes and fours, and allowing him to play through all these groups would be BS.

[Bluefan75]

tpariff, on Mar 30 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

It's really simple, but I'll give you an example. A course has a full tee sheet until noon and there are a bunch of threesomes and foursomes already on the course. A single shows up and wants to play, but there are no other groups for him to join (i.e. the tee sheet is wide open after noon), so they "take his money" and send him out. In most cases they will tell the single the course is full and that it will be a long day. He obviously would play faster than a group of 3 or 4, but when he catches the groups in front, should they let him play through? Absolutely NOT!!! There's no place for him to go because the course is full of threes and fours, and allowing him to play through all these groups would be BS.

Who said he needed to be allowed to play through? But the old rules that these guys were quoting(singles have no standing) said the single has to make way "for a match" which sure as heck ain't gonna happen if I'm out there alone. There is no point in letting a single through when the course is packed, but he is not in any lesser priority position where he needs to let them through either. If the course sends him out, he's entitled to his position and not have to give it up.

Not sure where you got that he needed to be allowed to play through?

[tpariff]

Bluefan75, on Mar 31 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 30 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

It's really simple, but I'll give you an example. A course has a full tee sheet until noon and there are a bunch of threesomes and foursomes already on the course. A single shows up and wants to play, but there are no other groups for him to join (i.e. the tee sheet is wide open after noon), so they "take his money" and send him out. In most cases they will tell the single the course is full and that it will be a long day. He obviously would play faster than a group of 3 or 4, but when he catches the groups in front, should they let him play through? Absolutely NOT!!! There's no place for him to go because the course is full of threes and fours, and allowing him to play through all these groups would be BS.

Who said he needed to be allowed to play through? But the old rules that these guys were quoting(singles have no standing) said the single has to make way "for a match" which sure as heck ain't gonna happen if I'm out there alone. There is no point in letting a single through when the course is packed, but he is not in any lesser priority position where he needs to let them through either. If the course sends him out, he's entitled to his position and not have to give it up.

Not sure where you got that he needed to be allowed to play through?

The quote YOU provided states that a single has the same priority on the course as a group. In fact, it references faster groups playing through slower groups. Obviously a "group" of one (your quote states that a single player is also considered a "group") will play faster than a "group" of 3 or 4.

Slice it up however you wish, but the REALITY is that singles have very little to no priority regardless of what the R&A and USGA print.

Kevin

[littlepingman]

tpariff, on Apr 1 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 31 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 30 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

It's really simple, but I'll give you an example. A course has a full tee sheet until noon and there are a bunch of threesomes and foursomes already on the course. A single shows up and wants to play, but there are no other groups for him to join (i.e. the tee sheet is wide open after noon), so they "take his money" and send him out. In most cases they will tell the single the course is full and that it will be a long day. He obviously would play faster than a group of 3 or 4, but when he catches the groups in front, should they let him play through? Absolutely NOT!!! There's no place for him to go because the course is full of threes and fours, and allowing him to play through all these groups would be BS.

Who said he needed to be allowed to play through? But the old rules that these guys were quoting(singles have no standing) said the single has to make way "for a match" which sure as heck ain't gonna happen if I'm out there alone. There is no point in letting a single through when the course is packed, but he is not in any lesser priority position where he needs to let them through either. If the course sends him out, he's entitled to his position and not have to give it up.

Not sure where you got that he needed to be allowed to play through?

The quote YOU provided states that a single has the same priority on the course as a group. In fact, it references faster groups playing through slower groups. Obviously a "group" of one (your quote states that a single player is also considered a "group") will play faster than a "group" of 3 or 4.

Slice it up however you wish, but the REALITY is that singles have very little to no priority regardless of what the R&A and USGA print.

Kevin

I have seen on many occasions a group forcing a single to wait behind them even with open holes ahead. That is just wrong, I don't care what the rule is about a single having no standing, its common courtesy to let a faster group play through if you aren't keeping up, regardless of how many people are in the faster group. Be it a single or a group of five, if they are moving faster around the course, and there are open holes, its only right to let them play through.

If there are no open holes and the course is full, its a moot point how many players are in the faster group, there is simply no where to go and that is understandable.

[kyo-nax]

Bones01gt, on Mar 27 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Send 'em some air mail!!!! "Oh, I'm so sorry there fivesome...I thought you guys were out of range! Boy, I really nuked that drive though, one of my best ever. I'll try to wait till there's a little more distance between us next time I pull the big stick, but it sure would help if you'd pick up the pace a little. It's almost noon now and I have a dinner date at 7:30. Oh by the way, when you get up there to my ball just leave it, I think I'll play that one."

Please don't. It hurts getting hit. I've been hit 3 times, and no it was from other hole and twice as grounds crew. I don't play slow.

I go single all the time. You know, I never ask the group ahead if I can join them. If they offer, I will play. They get sick of me on their tail waiting for my shot anyway.

That said, when I went single last year, ranger told me I had to join up with the three some.
I thought this was some funny conversation between them and the ranger.
Ranger "He(me) will join you, pace is slow"
Three-some looking ticked off "but we play slow"
Ranger "what??"
Three-some "We like to take our time and play"
Ranger "well, you can take your slow butts to the parking lot and don't ever come back"
Three-some "fine, he can join"
Ranger "No, seriously, you didn't hear me. Go to the parking lot and don't ever come back"

I was on the ground laughing...

[Bluefan75]

tpariff, on Apr 1 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 31 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 30 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

It's really simple, but I'll give you an example. A course has a full tee sheet until noon and there are a bunch of threesomes and foursomes already on the course. A single shows up and wants to play, but there are no other groups for him to join (i.e. the tee sheet is wide open after noon), so they "take his money" and send him out. In most cases they will tell the single the course is full and that it will be a long day. He obviously would play faster than a group of 3 or 4, but when he catches the groups in front, should they let him play through? Absolutely NOT!!! There's no place for him to go because the course is full of threes and fours, and allowing him to play through all these groups would be BS.

Who said he needed to be allowed to play through? But the old rules that these guys were quoting(singles have no standing) said the single has to make way "for a match" which sure as heck ain't gonna happen if I'm out there alone. There is no point in letting a single through when the course is packed, but he is not in any lesser priority position where he needs to let them through either. If the course sends him out, he's entitled to his position and not have to give it up.

Not sure where you got that he needed to be allowed to play through?

The quote YOU provided states that a single has the same priority on the course as a group. In fact, it references faster groups playing through slower groups. Obviously a "group" of one (your quote states that a single player is also considered a "group") will play faster than a "group" of 3 or 4.

Slice it up however you wish, but the REALITY is that singles have very little to no priority regardless of what the R&A and USGA print.

Kevin

Go read the posts. Two different people stated "Singles have no standing." Meaning, they shouldn't be out there. They get this from the old rules that used to state:

"A single player has no standing and should give way to a *match* of any
kind."

So basically, the first two posters were saying he shouldn't have been out there along in the first place, and were citing this old, but no longer recognized, rule to support their stance, which basically says the single has to make way(ie. let following "groups" play through). I quoted the rule as it reads now, to show that singles, do in fact, have standing, and have every right to be out there. By taking their money, and sending them out, the "committee" has decided they can play as a single.

If the course is busy, are they going to be standing around? Yep. Does it make sense for group after group to let them through? Nope, only slows down the rest of the course. The single player knows this when they go out by themselves. But never, ever, will I let the statement of a single having no standing on the golf course go unchallenged, because it is simply not true. By rule, and by fact of having paid and been sent out, he is entitled to his spot, no more no less. The faster groups have to be able to play faster in order for that to work, and if all five groups ahead of the single are in position, he won't play any faster, and just slow the course down.

I was not once saying he needed to be allowed to play through. What I was saying though was that the rules that once said singles had no standing does not exist, which these posters were referencing to say he shouldn't have been out there, is no longer the case, and quoting where the R&A and USGA both recognize single golfers as a group. My point was never the priority, but the standing. The rule clearly shows they have standing. In the old days, you only had the fact the golf course took your money to claim standing. Now the rules are also in line.

[tpariff]

Bluefan75, on Apr 1 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

tpariff, on Apr 1 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 31 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 30 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

tpariff, on Mar 27 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

The key point in that "rule" is the bold part, "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee." Most, if not all, courses and their rules committees (or the GM / head pro) give priority to groups of two or more. It was be painful to play a course with singles trying to play through groups of 3 and 4 all day, especially on the weekends.

Eactly how is priority given to those groups when they send the single out? I'd buy that argument if the single wasn't sent out at all by himself(and a group cannot refuse a pair up BTW, if they are not 4 already), but if they are sending him out, check that, taking his money for him to play, they have given him the same de facto priority as everyone else.

Frankly, the only way the "committee" could determine otherwise would be to refuse to take his money and let him out. It can be painful going out as a single, in between, but no moreso than having to wait around the putting green like a little kid waiting for someone to say it's ok, you can play now with these people.

It's really simple, but I'll give you an example. A course has a full tee sheet until noon and there are a bunch of threesomes and foursomes already on the course. A single shows up and wants to play, but there are no other groups for him to join (i.e. the tee sheet is wide open after noon), so they "take his money" and send him out. In most cases they will tell the single the course is full and that it will be a long day. He obviously would play faster than a group of 3 or 4, but when he catches the groups in front, should they let him play through? Absolutely NOT!!! There's no place for him to go because the course is full of threes and fours, and allowing him to play through all these groups would be BS.

Who said he needed to be allowed to play through? But the old rules that these guys were quoting(singles have no standing) said the single has to make way "for a match" which sure as heck ain't gonna happen if I'm out there alone. There is no point in letting a single through when the course is packed, but he is not in any lesser priority position where he needs to let them through either. If the course sends him out, he's entitled to his position and not have to give it up.

Not sure where you got that he needed to be allowed to play through?

The quote YOU provided states that a single has the same priority on the course as a group. In fact, it references faster groups playing through slower groups. Obviously a "group" of one (your quote states that a single player is also considered a "group") will play faster than a "group" of 3 or 4.

Slice it up however you wish, but the REALITY is that singles have very little to no priority regardless of what the R&A and USGA print.

Kevin

Go read the posts. Two different people stated "Singles have no standing." Meaning, they shouldn't be out there. They get this from the old rules that used to state:

"A single player has no standing and should give way to a *match* of any
kind."

So basically, the first two posters were saying he shouldn't have been out there along in the first place, and were citing this old, but no longer recognized, rule to support their stance, which basically says the single has to make way(ie. let following "groups" play through). I quoted the rule as it reads now, to show that singles, do in fact, have standing, and have every right to be out there. By taking their money, and sending them out, the "committee" has decided they can play as a single.

If the course is busy, are they going to be standing around? Yep. Does it make sense for group after group to let them through? Nope, only slows down the rest of the course. The single player knows this when they go out by themselves. But never, ever, will I let the statement of a single having no standing on the golf course go unchallenged, because it is simply not true. By rule, and by fact of having paid and been sent out, he is entitled to his spot, no more no less. The faster groups have to be able to play faster in order for that to work, and if all five groups ahead of the single are in position, he won't play any faster, and just slow the course down.

I was not once saying he needed to be allowed to play through. What I was saying though was that the rules that once said singles had no standing does not exist, which these posters were referencing to say he shouldn't have been out there, is no longer the case, and quoting where the R&A and USGA both recognize single golfers as a group. My point was never the priority, but the standing. The rule clearly shows they have standing. In the old days, you only had the fact the golf course took your money to claim standing. Now the rules are also in line.

Just drop it. We see things differently, and nothing you or I write or quote is going to change it for either of us.

Kevin

[jman2407]

kyo-nax, on Apr 1 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Please don't. It hurts getting hit. I've been hit 3 times, and no it was from other hole and twice as grounds crew. I don't play slow.

I go single all the time. You know, I never ask the group ahead if I can join them. If they offer, I will play. They get sick of me on their tail waiting for my shot anyway.

That said, when I went single last year, ranger told me I had to join up with the three some.
I thought this was some funny conversation between them and the ranger.
Ranger "He(me) will join you, pace is slow"
Three-some looking ticked off "but we play slow"
Ranger "what??"
Three-some "We like to take our time and play"
Ranger "well, you can take your slow butts to the parking lot and don't ever come back"
Three-some "fine, he can join"
Ranger "No, seriously, you didn't hear me. Go to the parking lot and don't ever come back"

I was on the ground laughing...

That is too funny. So what happened? Did they pack their things and go as the ranger said to, or did you join the group and play with?

[Fedor Emelianenko]

Just by the way you explained the hold up on #2, I knew you were going to say westridge

Westridge always have groups of a-holes,..I once left my skycaddie on #14 tee box and the group behind denied seeing it

[hogan64]

Bluefan75, on Mar 27 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

jaskanski, on Jan 2 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

The problem is that a singleton has no standing on the course. I don't have a problem with letting single players through, but I know a lot of groups who choose to ignore the single golfer.

This is the second time someone has posted this, and both are incorrect. Aside from the fact the single paid his green fee and the course let him play, the USGA *and* R & A state

"

Priority on the Course

Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the

course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a

whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round.The

term "group" includes a single player.

"

Singles have standing. I removed something a little more strenuous, but suffice it to say I despise seeing otherwise stated as though it's a fact, when it is clearly not.

(And for those who want to say the old rules, the old rules also said a single had to make way for a match....the next time I'm on a public course and come across a match will be the first.)

You've hit the nail on the head! Fivesomes should be letting every man, woman, and child play through. Foursomes that won't let a single play through should have their bags thrown in the pond.