[lilgarcia]

To mr get in the hole and the rest of you guys. The reason i started this post was because i thought that Sergio had stepped up his game and maybe become a challenger to WOODS not to get under everyones skin, but its good to know that there are less Sergio haters after his wins.

[HCEG1]

cigarnut81, on Nov 11 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

Have you guys forgotten the SHANK in the US Open? That was Sergio. Of course I agree he is and has been the 2nd best golfer on earth for many years. I am positive he has no chance to beat Tiger Woods. He might pass Tiger on the rankings. Tiger would have to be out all year and Sergio would have to win 6-9 times. I am impressed with his play of late but he is no match for THE GREAT ONE.

And has the GREAT ONE never shanked? :

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=DgOzOxfH8Wk

[sshadow2]

Nor did you get under mine...I just though I'd respond to some silly replies. Tiger is probably going to miss the Buick but he wants to return to the WGC. We'll see how Sergio fairs then.

[anders]

HCEG1, on Nov 11 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

cigarnut81, on Nov 11 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

Have you guys forgotten the SHANK in the US Open? That was Sergio. Of course I agree he is and has been the 2nd best golfer on earth for many years. I am positive he has no chance to beat Tiger Woods. He might pass Tiger on the rankings. Tiger would have to be out all year and Sergio would have to win 6-9 times. I am impressed with his play of late but he is no match for THE GREAT ONE.

And has the GREAT ONE never shanked? :

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=DgOzOxfH8Wk

A shank is as close to a perfect shot that you can get, when playing blades anyway, as the sweet spot is located near to the heel. Rather than get into some sort of very tiresome tirade with you TIGER guys we'll just have to wait and see who is number 1 come the Masters or after THE Open, (That's the British Open peckers and not US Open). Glad to see Garcia gets so under your skin Tiger lovers, just because he's getting closer. Problem is you've had it so easy for such along time you don't know how to play fair. Shame on you! Looking forward to 2009!!!!!!!

[HeadonaStick]

anders, on Nov 11 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

HCEG1, on Nov 11 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

cigarnut81, on Nov 11 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

Have you guys forgotten the SHANK in the US Open? That was Sergio. Of course I agree he is and has been the 2nd best golfer on earth for many years. I am positive he has no chance to beat Tiger Woods. He might pass Tiger on the rankings. Tiger would have to be out all year and Sergio would have to win 6-9 times. I am impressed with his play of late but he is no match for THE GREAT ONE.

And has the GREAT ONE never shanked? :

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=DgOzOxfH8Wk

A shank is as close to a perfect shot that you can get, when playing blades anyway, as the sweet spot is located near to the heel. Rather than get into some sort of very tiresome tirade with you TIGER guys we'll just have to wait and see who is number 1 come the Masters or after THE Open, (That's the British Open peckers and not US Open). Glad to see Garcia gets so under your skin Tiger lovers, just because he's getting closer. Problem is you've had it so easy for such along time you don't know how to play fair. Shame on you! Looking forward to 2009!!!!!!!

Garcia has gained fewer points this year than Tiger - 400.62 to 425.24. Garcia has lost way fewer points than Tiger - 192.95 to 646.99. Garcia may gain the number one points spot, but a simple analysis of the points tells the story.

Besides, it doesn't matter who is number one after the Masters, or the Open. What matters is who is number one once Tiger returns. I'm not a Tiger fan, I'm a realist. I'd love to see someone challenge Tiger, but the numbers tell me that Sergio isn't even close.

[El Crab]

To even begin to discuss this as a possibility in the near future, one would have to figure out how much Tiger will drop in the WGR while being out. Extrapolate those numbers for different scenarios, as in when Tiger would return. Say, what his WGR score would be by the Buick, or the Masters, or the US Open. Because the lead Tiger has is so large it reminds me of a previous time, and I vaguely recall a golf journalist mentioning that even if Tiger missed X many cuts in a row, no one could pass him.

And what's his lead now? And I'd think not playing is better than missing a cut, as far as losing points. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

[Ty_Webb]

El Crab, on Nov 11 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

To even begin to discuss this as a possibility in the near future, one would have to figure out how much Tiger will drop in the WGR while being out. Extrapolate those numbers for different scenarios, as in when Tiger would return. Say, what his WGR score would be by the Buick, or the Masters, or the US Open. Because the lead Tiger has is so large it reminds me of a previous time, and I vaguely recall a golf journalist mentioning that even if Tiger missed X many cuts in a row, no one could pass him.

And what's his lead now? And I'd think not playing is better than missing a cut, as far as losing points. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

End of 2008, 11.97
End Jan 2009, 10.46
Masters, (week 14 09), 7.96
US Open (week 22? 09), 6.05

Sergio is currently 8.68, so if he maintains it, then he'll be number one around week 12 next year (roughly late Marchish).

For Tiger right now, missing cuts would be the same, because the minimum divisor of 40 is biting. That he's not playing rather than missing cuts will mean that when he comes back his average will go up more quickly, because each event he plays, he gets the points on the top of the fraction, without anything going on the bottom (the minimum of 40 will likely bite for a long time to come).

[DavidR]

Sergio has been playing very well and may one day deserve the #1 spot. He really needs to win a major or two first before he will be considered by most to be the #1 player.

[anders]

DavidR, on Nov 12 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

Sergio has been playing very well and may one day deserve the #1 spot. He really needs to win a major or two first before he will be considered by most to be the #1 player.

So how many majors had greg norman won when he was world number 1 for the massive period of time?

[JNewsted]

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I hope he gets to number one and puts a little scare in Tiger. Because then we will be treated to a thrashing the likes of which no one has ever seen.

This is good stuff!

[skinkman]

the problem with Sergio and all others on tour..no matter how good they are, they won't be as good as Tiger..the worse thing that can happen to Sergio is to get to number 1 when between his ears he would know he really wasn't number 1...watch the beginning of the yips and severe choke from this pressure alone..the guy wins so rarely..top tens won't do it..remember how VJ did it? why hasn't Phil been able to do it even though he's won more often than Sergio?

[The Boom Bapp]

The #1 spot will never be relinqueshed by Tiger unless he adds another 5 - 6 months to his rehab, when he does come back, the #2 player will be within a 300 to 400 points in the WGR and that is the closest Sergio or any other player should expect to reach. No player is even close to sniffing #1 if Tiger comes back when planned. Then the Worlds #1 and his #'s will shoot back up to those mythological heights from wence he left them TW opted for knee surgery.

Not likely but it may happen given there is a possibilty he could extend his treatment. BUT, W's take care of things like that.

[HeadonaStick]

The Boom Bapp, on Nov 13 2008, 02:26 PM, said:

The #1 spot will never be relinqueshed by Tiger unless he adds another 5 - 6 months to his rehab, when he does come back, the #2 player will be within a 300 to 400 points in the WGR and that is the closest Sergio or any other player should expect to reach. No player is even close to sniffing #1 if Tiger comes back when planned. Then the Worlds #1 and his #'s will shoot back up to those mythological heights from wence he left them TW opted for knee surgery.

Not likely but it may happen given there is a possibilty he could extend his treatment. BUT, W's take care of things like that.

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but Sergio's total points are only a little over 100 less than Tiger's and his rank points are less than 8 behind Tiger.

What "W's" are you talking about?

[Ty_Webb]

skinkman, on Nov 12 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

the problem with Sergio and all others on tour..no matter how good they are, they won't be as good as Tiger..the worse thing that can happen to Sergio is to get to number 1 when between his ears he would know he really wasn't number 1...watch the beginning of the yips and severe choke from this pressure alone..the guy wins so rarely..top tens won't do it..remember how VJ did it? why hasn't Phil been able to do it even though he's won more often than Sergio?

Vijay did it by winning a whole bunch of tournaments in a year, that happened to coincide with Tiger having a bad couple of years (by his standards). Vijay would never have got close to Tiger if Tiger had played 03 and 04 like he played 05-07 (or 99-02 for that matter). Looking at the archive on the rankings website, it looks like Vijay's peak was around 13.80 in mid-September of 04. That's less than Tiger's now and he's played one tournament in the last seven months.

Phil hasn't got there because when he was playing his best (probably around the beginning of 06), Tiger was playing well. That's pretty much all there is to it I think. Was Vijay in 04 better than Phil in 06? Who knows? But I don't think you can hand it to Vijay just because he made it to number one.

Tiger destroys everyone else in the rankings because his record in the majors is very good, but probably even more so, his record in the WGC events. Those have 65-75 points for the winner and he wins them like it's going out of fashion. By way of explanation, if Sergio had won all four majors this year, his ranking would be 14.60 right now, so he'd have just snuck past Tiger. Tiger's ranking right after the US Open was 21.54, which you can't do just by winning majors. Of course, at the time, Tiger had won 12 of his previous 25 tournaments (25 is all that's left on the ranking website) and it's runs like that as well as good performances in the majors that give you the ridiculous levels that Tiger has/had.

Sergio may get to number one and he may not - I think this depends on two things: when does Tiger come back and how good is he when he comes back. Outside of those, there's little Sergio can do, because he's not good enough to put in a run like Tiger can.

[The Boom Bapp]

HeadonaStick, on Nov 13 2008, 04:00 PM, said:

The Boom Bapp, on Nov 13 2008, 02:26 PM, said:

The #1 spot will never be relinqueshed by Tiger unless he adds another 5 - 6 months to his rehab, when he does come back, the #2 player will be within a 300 to 400 points in the WGR and that is the closest Sergio or any other player should expect to reach. No player is even close to sniffing #1 if Tiger comes back when planned. Then the Worlds #1 and his #'s will shoot back up to those mythological heights from wence he left them when TW opted for knee surgery.

Not likely but it may happen given there is a possibilty he could extend his treatment. BUT, W's take care of things like that.

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but Sergio's total points are only a little over 100 less than Tiger's and his rank points are less than 8 behind Tiger.

What "W's" are you talking about?

The W's I am speaking are those Tiger will be collecting when he returns to the PGA. Sergio is a proven competitor and a great player on the Tour just not a consistent winner. If and when Sergio ever gets within a whisper away from #1 which will be unlikely to stick if he manages to peak that mountain, he is not good enough to stay.

Tiger's W's = Sergio's failure to reach the unatainable or even keep #1 in the WGR.

[littlepingman]

scazz54, on Nov 10 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

littlepingman, on Nov 10 2008, 07:59 AM, said:

Tiger will be forced to not only present the green jacket to the new King, but he will also have to kneel at his feet during the presentation.

ummmm no. trevor immelman will present the jacket to the 2009 winner. so NO. and yes sergio and tiger are my favorite players, but sergio is NOT tiger woods! tiger is the greatest of all time and segio does not have a major yet, let alone 14. let him get 18 or more amajors and then say he'll better than tiger and tiger will kneel at his feet.

Wow. Someone has never heard of sarcasm...

[Cally UK]

The Boom Bapp, on Nov 14 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

HeadonaStick, on Nov 13 2008, 04:00 PM, said:

The Boom Bapp, on Nov 13 2008, 02:26 PM, said:

The #1 spot will never be relinqueshed by Tiger unless he adds another 5 - 6 months to his rehab, when he does come back, the #2 player will be within a 300 to 400 points in the WGR and that is the closest Sergio or any other player should expect to reach. No player is even close to sniffing #1 if Tiger comes back when planned. Then the Worlds #1 and his #'s will shoot back up to those mythological heights from wence he left them when TW opted for knee surgery.

Not likely but it may happen given there is a possibilty he could extend his treatment. BUT, W's take care of things like that.

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but Sergio's total points are only a little over 100 less than Tiger's and his rank points are less than 8 behind Tiger.

What "W's" are you talking about?

The W's I am speaking are those Tiger will be collecting when he returns to the PGA. Sergio is a proven competitor and a great player on the Tour just not a consistent winner. If and when Sergio ever gets within a whisper away from #1 which will be unlikely to stick if he manages to peak that mountain, he is not good enough to stay.

Tiger's W's = Sergio's failure to reach the unatainable or even keep #1 in the WGR.

The whole debate is speculation. How can anyone say that Sergio will never compete with Tiger! Do any of us know how Tiger will play after his injury? He also has a growing family!

Sergio has hit great form and improved his putting, you never know Sergio's game might have just clicked. Looking at the last 3 tournaments he's played in he has been awesome.

Either way it’s great for golf I’d rather see real competition than one player running away with it. However, I hope Woods beats Jack’s Major record as I have money on that!

[Mhsgolf2]

heck yea thats right dont hate the player hate the game. lol