[mozgolf]

http://www.stuff.co....20101a1823.html

This might generate a bit of debate.

[marker]

I intend checking this place out this summer but $400 a round is crazy when a years membership to the best club in Hamilton is only $1000.
Does look a great course though.

[Bomb and Gouge]

That's my kind of course!

I'd gladly pay $400 to play it, given the chance.

I absolutely love the layout!!

[AirTime23]

Not much of a debate, but the list rather looks like the 10 most spectacular courses, not necessarily the 10 best courses.

[63Brummie]

mozgolf, on Oct 8 2008, 02:48 AM, said:

http://www.stuff.co....20101a1823.html

This might generate a bit of debate.

It's very beautiful....
63Brummie
fairways and greens

[63Brummie]

Bomb and Gouge, on Oct 8 2008, 06:50 AM, said:

That's my kind of course!

I'd gladly pay $400 to play it, given the chance.

I absolutely love the layout!!

Where is this course and what's the name?
63Brummie
fairways and greens

[rblmp32]

Gorgeous course, their list is pretty good but I agree with what was said before alot of those courses are on their for the spectacular setting/scenery more so that being a great golf course.

[63Brummie]

rblmp32, on Oct 8 2008, 07:45 AM, said:

Gorgeous course, their list is pretty good but I agree with what was said before alot of those courses are on their for the spectacular setting/scenery more so that being a great golf course.

...but isn't that part of why they are so good?
63Brummie
fairways and greens

[MGWP]

Come on...Turnberry and Doon beg better than Pine Valley and Sand Hills and Merion...please Daily Telegraph you are a dissapointment!
Any top ten list in the world without the three mentioned above or at least two of the three is simply silly.
However, I am looking forward to seeing Kidnappers on TV here in november..Tom Doak is indeed a marvelous architecht...having just played his Ballyneal last week, I can testify to the guys genius.

[Corsair]

Doak also did Pac Dunes - which might be on some top 10 lists. I wonder what Doak's top 10 list is ?

[mat562]

If I'm restricted to courses I've actually played, Turnberry gets my vote.

If I can cast the net wider I'll put Muirfield, Muirfield Village and the pre-ruined Augusta National in there.

[tjy355]

mozgolf, on Oct 8 2008, 12:48 AM, said:

http://www.stuff.co....20101a1823.html

This might generate a bit of debate.

Donald Trump will beg to differ.

[MGWP]

Corsair..ask and you shall recieve..
According to Doak's confidential guide..those with full marks of 10 are
Royal Melbourne
Muirfield
Royal County Down
CypressPoint
Oakmont
Pinehurst#2
Royal Dornoch
Ballybunion
Merion
Pine Vallay
Crystal Downs
The National
Shinneock Hills
St Andrews

[rblmp32]

63Brummie, on Oct 8 2008, 08:53 AM, said:

rblmp32, on Oct 8 2008, 07:45 AM, said:

Gorgeous course, their list is pretty good but I agree with what was said before alot of those courses are on their for the spectacular setting/scenery more so that being a great golf course.

...but isn't that part of why they are so good?
63Brummie
fairways and greens

Well in this list yes it is. But imo, it takes more than looks to make a great golf course. And besides, any list that leaves out Pine Valley is not to be taken seriously. Even if it's the only course from this side of the pond, it should be on any list.

[elwhippy]

I always chuckle at these lists because apart from super rich players with connections and journalists, some who may not be good enough Golfers to see the real subtleties, nobody has played all the best courses in the World. From what I have played I rate Turnberry, Woodhall Spa, San Lorenzo (Algarve), Southerness and PGA de Catalunya. Played Royal Lytham and Valderama and was underwhelmed by both of them.

Pine Valley, Seminole and Augusta are all out of bounds to 99.999% of Golfers so it is a bit like me rating a restaurant in San Diego when I live in the UK.

My personal TV faves would be Harbour Town, TPC, Durban Country Club, Royal Melbourne, Kingston heath, Golf National de Paris, Medinah and Royal County Down.

[jaskanski]

The course looks nice, but opinions on "best" courses are purely subjective and a matter of taste. Maybe another thread could be "most overrated" course in the world? With St. Andrews top of the list.

[MGWP]

St Andrewsoverrtaed!
you have got to be kidding...
It is the master of golf course strategy, risk reward..sight lines..green contours..etc..
I will accept taste is varying but not to then extent that the Old Course is overrated...perhaps misunderstood by some but never overrrated

[jaskanski]

MGWP, on Oct 8 2008, 08:05 PM, said:

St Andrewsoverrtaed!
you have got to be kidding...
It is the master of golf course strategy, risk reward..sight lines..green contours..etc..
I will accept taste is varying but not to then extent that the Old Course is overrated...perhaps misunderstood by some but never overrrated

See what I mean?

[rblmp32]

elwhippy, on Oct 8 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

I always chuckle at these lists because apart from super rich players with connections and journalists, some who may not be good enough Golfers to see the real subtleties, nobody has played all the best courses in the World. From what I have played I rate Turnberry, Woodhall Spa, San Lorenzo (Algarve), Southerness and PGA de Catalunya. Played Royal Lytham and Valderama and was underwhelmed by both of them.

Pine Valley, Seminole and Augusta are all out of bounds to 99.999% of Golfers so it is a bit like me rating a restaurant in San Diego when I live in the UK.

My personal TV faves would be Harbour Town, TPC, Durban Country Club, Royal Melbourne, Kingston heath, Golf National de Paris, Medinah and Royal County Down.

You'd probably really enjoy Harbour Town in person as well. It's quite an experience.

[MGWP]

Actually no not really.
It is not just a matter of taste when these credible lists are put together.
There is indeed criteria that is followed...and irrespective of personal taste an appreciation of good architecture should be recognised.
I personally think certain courses that are rated high may be overated but I can certainly see why they are placed as highly as they are..taste and appreciation should not be confused.

[MGWP]

Royal Durban is one I would love to play...anybody here played it that can comment?

[silliwilli]

63Brummie, on Oct 8 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

Bomb and Gouge, on Oct 8 2008, 06:50 AM, said:

That's my kind of course!

I'd gladly pay $400 to play it, given the chance.

I absolutely love the layout!!

Where is this course and what's the name?
63Brummie
fairways and greens

looks like Royal County Down, but I don't see the club house where it should be...

Royal County Down for me, would be the best course I have ever seen in person, I really dont know how anywhere on earth could be any better tbh!!

[tjy355]

jaskanski, on Oct 8 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

The course looks nice, but opinions on "best" courses are purely subjective and a matter of taste. Maybe another thread could be "most overrated" course in the world? With St. Andrews top of the list.

When did you last play St. Andrews ?

[Range-Rat]

MGWP, on Oct 8 2008, 08:24 AM, said:

Corsair..ask and you shall recieve..
According to Doak's confidential guide..those with full marks of 10 are
Royal Melbourne
Muirfield
Royal County Down
CypressPoint
Oakmont
Pinehurst#2
Royal Dornoch
Ballybunion
Merion
Pine Vallay
Crystal Downs
The National
Shinneock Hills
St Andrews

No Augusta?


Oh and its Cape Kidnappers in New Zealand and it was featured in Golf Digest 10 Pebble Beaches of the world

[Soma Stan]

I have been fortunate enough to play some of the best courses in the world, Turnberry, Royal County Down, Cypress Point, St Andrews, Royal St Georges, Muirfield, Olympic, etc...but I have to say, hands down the best COURSE, not dramatic setting etc... is Pine Valley.

[jaskanski]

tjy355, on Oct 8 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

jaskanski, on Oct 8 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

The course looks nice, but opinions on "best" courses are purely subjective and a matter of taste. Maybe another thread could be "most overrated" course in the world? With St. Andrews top of the list.

When did you last play St. Andrews ?

1996 & 2001. I get the whole aura thing with the "Home of Golf" and all that, but I was left uninspired with the course itself. Yes, I can appreciate St. Andrews as a kind of mecca for all golfers, but as a course it left me feeling let down. But hey, that was just my impression. Maybe as you say, you have to play it a few more times to understand it's quirks. But with fairways and greens a wide as your average car park, I must have missed them. The frustrating thing is I like links courses - just not this one.
It's not just me though. Here's an interesting article: http://www.pga.com/o..._oldcourse.html

[mat562]

Similar story here.

I've played The Old Course probably half a dozen times, along with the other courses at St Andrews. It's always a treat and a privilege (particularly the first time I played it when I was lucky enough to play with an R&A member, as a 15 year old, who then was good enough to show my father and I the interior of the clubhouse.

It's historic, and you certainly have a lump in your throat on the first tee and as you aproach the 18th green and all the camera-wielding tourists, but as a course? Not that spectacular in my opinion. I've only ever played it in fair weather - albeit I've experienced a variety of wind strengths and directions - but it hardly leaves you dazzled at the design. There are some memorable holes (the 11th, the 14th, 17th and 18th) and shots certainly, but the tingling only really happens for me on about three or four holes. The rest of it is, dare I say it, a bit humdrum. The whole 'St Andrews experience' is fantastic, and there's nothing like finishing a round of golf in the middle of a town, but the quality of the golf course isn't what make St Andrews what it is.

It's an experience that every golfer should strive for, but the experience itself is really 95% 'Because it's St Andrews...' and 5% down to the course.

I'm another links fan but, honestly, Turnberry and Royal Birkdale are head and shoulders above St Andrews in the quality of course stakes.

[teeituphigh]

Ive played Cape Kidnappers and it is a GEM. Just dont play it in the wind otherwise you will be in for big numbers.
There is atleast 6-7 holes which make the course special- not just one hole. Its a very strong layout!

If anyone is ever going to play, let me know and i will meet you there!