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#1 Tiltswing

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:01 AM

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#2 hayam

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:07 AM

very impressive and the hit does sound like hogan hitting balls

Edited by hayam, 25 June 2008 - 04:10 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:12 AM

Well I'm no expert, but I'm going to study some more...He may have a point...One other guy on youtube said the samething , I don't have the link.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:16 AM

I like it, sign me up for the course.  I have searched all the "DIRT" I can find, and I cant find the answer.  :)
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:36 AM

I'm of the opinion that if Hogan did have a secret, he did take it to his grave. An after 10 years of golf I'm not sure there is just one secret that will work for everyone.


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 08:01 AM

Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY  more down the line than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid" and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about waist high till the completion of the transition Mr. Hogan and Moe were VERY similar........ :)

Edited by slicefixer, 25 June 2008 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 09:03 AM

Hogan's "secret" was practice.  There's a lot of instructors claiming they've figured it out and Hogan's former shag boy wrote in his book he told him.  I agree with mont86 he would not have shared any secrets.  Hogan hated giving lessons and the only game he cared to improve was his own.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 09:43 AM

View Postslicefixer, on Jun 25 2008, 08:01 AM, said:

Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid" and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about waist high till the completion of the transition Mr. Hogan and Moe were VERY similar........ :)


Yes a hybrid look but the release is late (snap) and right forearm on plane so the Slice is it possible the set up with hands a long way from the body might influence this way down the line look?
Further he is alluding to the secret "in the dirt" as not being anything to do with hitting lots of balls!!!

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 10:15 AM

Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid" and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about waist high till the completion of the transition Mr. Hogan and Moe were VERY similar........ :)[/quote]


Yes a hybrid look but the release is late (snap) and right forearm on plane so the Slice is it possible the set up with hands a long way from the body might influence this way down the line look?  

It could, but, Mr. Hogan stood pretty erect and far from the ball too........and he rotated/release waaaaay left........


Further he is alluding to the secret "in the dirt" as not being anything to do with hitting lots of balls!!!

Shallow divots I assume.......meaning a shallow angle of attack/shallow shaft/plane.......with both Moe and Mr. Hogan had........but, again, both Moe and Mr. Hogan were very similar in a lot of ways from about midway back in the backswing till about halfway down in the downswing.........then Moe slowed his core and attempted to keep the face square to the target line while Mr. Hogan's accelerated his core around and the clubhead squared up on it's own........that's why Mr. Hogan hit it so much further.........he kept the "inside" rotating/accelerating till post impact while Moe slowed it down..........both are great golf swings with many common denominators with Moe's desire to keep the face square to the target probably being the only reason for impact differences, etc.......
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Edited by slicefixer, 25 June 2008 - 10:17 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 10:22 AM

The secret in the dirt is to with the shallowness of the divot...due to the angle of attack that they both had coming into the ball.

Although the depth of the divots will be similar the shapes will be very different as Moe was a down the line block pusher through the ball where as Mr Hogan had a rottaing left release.

The answer for Mr Hogan's "secret" being in the dirt not so much from the amount of balls he hit but from the way with which his divots were shaped and the way that they were shallow and curved left showing that he had the club going low and left after impact and due to the way he opened the club going back he could go as hard left as he wanted and the ball would NOT go left hence the reason his secret for the hard rotation was in the ground and in the divot.

This would explain the thought of the secret in the ground/dirt. :good:

P.S I did not know Slice had just written this I was busy typing away and then saw he had a similar reply :)

Edited by dfw1500, 25 June 2008 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 11:54 AM

Very interesting. I never noticed the similarity in Hogan's and Moe's swing until you guys pointed it out.

Edited by Tiltswing, 23 December 2008 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:14 PM

Hi Guys,
Impact from video swing 1 attached.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:16 PM

So are shallow divots preferable to deep divots?

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:18 PM

cool stuff sevam1..

I must say the sound , motion and dynamic is indeed very hoganish and moeish. Look forward to hear more!

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:19 PM

thank you for joining sir, if you are indeed the man in the video I believe you have some info you are hiding from us golfwrxers.  stop beatin around the bush about the secret  :)


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:52 PM

There are a lot of good things going on with those golf swings, IMOP.

But, that release is not the way Hogan released it. It's quite a bit more down the line longer and with some arm rotation. It's not slingy down the line by any means, but more down the line compared to early left and low. Or on a symmetrical plane.

There is a lot of extension at address. I feel that this is partly responsible for the more DTL. Any particular reason for the extension, sir? I just feel it makes it difficult to get good leverage from the body with the arms being so far away. I also find it is easier to stay in sync, but those swings are quite in sync. With the arms a bit closer those swings would more than likely release back to the inside sooner, though. Just my opinion of what helps sync up a golf swing more often.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:58 PM

Welcome to the forum!  I would love to hear some of the 'missing info'!

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:33 PM

That is the sound of a ball staying long on the face of a 1962 Power Thrust Iron which is the club I am using in the video.  You are observant.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:35 PM

Who is that guy? Is everybody as impressed with his ball striking as much as I am? He seems to have wonderful control of his own golf swing, and seems to be able to hit it pure while emulating both players swings. INCREDIBLE IMHO...

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:38 PM

sevam1, sorry, I'm a little slow. Welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing your video. VERY COOL!!!

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:54 PM

In one of the videos he was talking about the pronation of the forearm, can someone explain and expand on what he meant?

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:12 PM

Awesome vid.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:16 PM

Reaching because 1)length and lie of club 2) 40 lbs of extra weight I need to clear over.  Transition still attached.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:21 PM

Sorry Transition still didn't upload.  New to this.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:28 PM

View Postsevam1, on Jun 25 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Reaching because 1)length and lie of club 2) 40 lbs of extra weight I need to clear over. Transition still attached.


Of course. My mistake. :good:  :)


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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:49 PM

Amazing photo of Moe in his prime in the 60's.  Photocopy of a photo, so not the greatest quality, but worth a look.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 03:12 PM

The topic title made me roll my eyes a bit as I'm sure you can understand.  Too many claim to know Hogan's "secret."

Then I saw how the thread was staying at the top of the page and figured I'd see what was going on...glad I did! Seems to be some very good feedback from some respected posters.

Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't view the vids right now but I'll be sure to later on!

Sevam1, welcome to the forum and thanks for posting!

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 03:14 PM

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The topic title made me roll my eyes a bit as I'm sure you can understand. Too many claim to know Hogan's "secret."

Then I saw how the thread was staying at the top of the page and figured I'd see what was going on...glad I did! Seems to be some very good feedback from some respected posters.

Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't view the vids right now but I'll be sure to later on!

Sevam1, welcome to the forum and thanks for posting!

Deadpool, sorry to add to the anticipation, but the vids are incredible!

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 03:48 PM

wow moe has so much room to work with in that pic

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:26 PM

Sevam1,  Inspiring vedeo! I've been working on the same left arm pronation for about the last year except I start it at address rather than as a trigger for the swing. It really has helped, but I need your full backswing too! :)
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