[Tiltswing]

Sevam1 information thread

[hayam]

very impressive and the hit does sound like hogan hitting balls

[mont86]

Well I'm no expert, but I'm going to study some more...He may have a point...One other guy on youtube said the samething , I don't have the link.

[TheRawEdge]

I like it, sign me up for the course. I have searched all the "DIRT" I can find, and I cant find the answer.

[mont86]

I'm of the opinion that if Hogan did have a secret, he did take it to his grave. An after 10 years of golf I'm not sure there is just one secret that will work for everyone.

[slicefixer]

Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid" and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about waist high till the completion of the transition Mr. Hogan and Moe were VERY similar........

[hoganguy]

Hogan's "secret" was practice. There's a lot of instructors claiming they've figured it out and Hogan's former shag boy wrote in his book he told him. I agree with mont86 he would not have shared any secrets. Hogan hated giving lessons and the only game he cared to improve was his own.

[eightiron]

slicefixer, on Jun 25 2008, 08:01 AM, said:

Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid" and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about waist high till the completion of the transition Mr. Hogan and Moe were VERY similar........

Yes a hybrid look but the release is late (snap) and right forearm on plane so the Slice is it possible the set up with hands a long way from the body might influence this way down the line look?
Further he is alluding to the secret "in the dirt" as not being anything to do with hitting lots of balls!!!

[slicefixer]

Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid" and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about waist high till the completion of the transition Mr. Hogan and Moe were VERY similar........ [/quote]


Yes a hybrid look but the release is late (snap) and right forearm on plane so the Slice is it possible the set up with hands a long way from the body might influence this way down the line look?

It could, but, Mr. Hogan stood pretty erect and far from the ball too........and he rotated/release waaaaay left........


Further he is alluding to the secret "in the dirt" as not being anything to do with hitting lots of balls!!!

Shallow divots I assume.......meaning a shallow angle of attack/shallow shaft/plane.......with both Moe and Mr. Hogan had........but, again, both Moe and Mr. Hogan were very similar in a lot of ways from about midway back in the backswing till about halfway down in the downswing.........then Moe slowed his core and attempted to keep the face square to the target line while Mr. Hogan's accelerated his core around and the clubhead squared up on it's own........that's why Mr. Hogan hit it so much further.........he kept the "inside" rotating/accelerating till post impact while Moe slowed it down..........both are great golf swings with many common denominators with Moe's desire to keep the face square to the target probably being the only reason for impact differences, etc.......
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[dfw1500]

The secret in the dirt is to with the shallowness of the divot...due to the angle of attack that they both had coming into the ball.

Although the depth of the divots will be similar the shapes will be very different as Moe was a down the line block pusher through the ball where as Mr Hogan had a rottaing left release.

The answer for Mr Hogan's "secret" being in the dirt not so much from the amount of balls he hit but from the way with which his divots were shaped and the way that they were shallow and curved left showing that he had the club going low and left after impact and due to the way he opened the club going back he could go as hard left as he wanted and the ball would NOT go left hence the reason his secret for the hard rotation was in the ground and in the divot.

This would explain the thought of the secret in the ground/dirt.

P.S I did not know Slice had just written this I was busy typing away and then saw he had a similar reply

[Tiltswing]

Very interesting. I never noticed the similarity in Hogan's and Moe's swing until you guys pointed it out.

[sevam1]

Hi Guys,
Impact from video swing 1 attached.
Sevam1

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[puppypilgrim]

So are shallow divots preferable to deep divots?

[hayam]

cool stuff sevam1..

I must say the sound , motion and dynamic is indeed very hoganish and moeish. Look forward to hear more!

[RJC59]

thank you for joining sir, if you are indeed the man in the video I believe you have some info you are hiding from us golfwrxers. stop beatin around the bush about the secret

[magnum184]

There are a lot of good things going on with those golf swings, IMOP.

But, that release is not the way Hogan released it. It's quite a bit more down the line longer and with some arm rotation. It's not slingy down the line by any means, but more down the line compared to early left and low. Or on a symmetrical plane.

There is a lot of extension at address. I feel that this is partly responsible for the more DTL. Any particular reason for the extension, sir? I just feel it makes it difficult to get good leverage from the body with the arms being so far away. I also find it is easier to stay in sync, but those swings are quite in sync. With the arms a bit closer those swings would more than likely release back to the inside sooner, though. Just my opinion of what helps sync up a golf swing more often.

[progolf4life]

Welcome to the forum! I would love to hear some of the 'missing info'!

[sevam1]

That is the sound of a ball staying long on the face of a 1962 Power Thrust Iron which is the club I am using in the video. You are observant.

[kevcarter]

Who is that guy? Is everybody as impressed with his ball striking as much as I am? He seems to have wonderful control of his own golf swing, and seems to be able to hit it pure while emulating both players swings. INCREDIBLE IMHO...

Kevin

[kevcarter]

sevam1, sorry, I'm a little slow. Welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing your video. VERY COOL!!!

Kevin

[tennisdu]

In one of the videos he was talking about the pronation of the forearm, can someone explain and expand on what he meant?

[ChrisM84]

Awesome vid.

[sevam1]

Reaching because 1)length and lie of club 2) 40 lbs of extra weight I need to clear over. Transition still attached.

[sevam1]

Sorry Transition still didn't upload. New to this.

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[magnum184]

sevam1, on Jun 25 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Reaching because 1)length and lie of club 2) 40 lbs of extra weight I need to clear over. Transition still attached.

Of course. My mistake.

[sevam1]

Amazing photo of Moe in his prime in the 60's. Photocopy of a photo, so not the greatest quality, but worth a look.

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[Deadpool_25]

The topic title made me roll my eyes a bit as I'm sure you can understand. Too many claim to know Hogan's "secret."

Then I saw how the thread was staying at the top of the page and figured I'd see what was going on...glad I did! Seems to be some very good feedback from some respected posters.

Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't view the vids right now but I'll be sure to later on!

Sevam1, welcome to the forum and thanks for posting!

[kevcarter]

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The topic title made me roll my eyes a bit as I'm sure you can understand. Too many claim to know Hogan's "secret."

Then I saw how the thread was staying at the top of the page and figured I'd see what was going on...glad I did! Seems to be some very good feedback from some respected posters.

Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't view the vids right now but I'll be sure to later on!

Sevam1, welcome to the forum and thanks for posting!

Deadpool, sorry to add to the anticipation, but the vids are incredible!

Kevin

[RJC59]

wow moe has so much room to work with in that pic

[finalist]

Sevam1, Inspiring vedeo! I've been working on the same left arm pronation for about the last year except I start it at address rather than as a trigger for the swing. It really has helped, but I need your full backswing too!
thanks for the videos

[Freddy300]

This is good but these two Canadians guys sound a bit like Doug and Bob MacKenzie. "Hey yah hoser." No cut to Canadians - I love em and I especially like Christina on Big Break. She sure beats our American entry from Ithaca, NY.

I just find it a bit funny two average guys just shooting the breeze in a field or their backyard in Canada while demonstrating some incredible swings .

He gets a lot of club speed going too. Incredible how he goes from Hogan to Moe back to Hogan. Amazing.

Wasn't Moe from Canada?

Were Moe's legs that far apart in his stance?

[sevam1]

To be honest, I just about never think about pronation/supination. It just happens. I was exagerating that so that it could be seen easily in the video as a reference for the guy who was filming the swings.

[Dariusz J.]

Just a little late to another Hogan discussion (was away with my kid for his Junior National Championships without access to the net), but with great pleasure when we are talking about Mr.Hogan.
Sorry to say, although the "Hogan" swing is really not bad - it is not the same as Hogan's original swing. Partially, SF and Don already have answered why it is different...

BTW, I wonder what the author of the clip consider as the common denominator of Hogan's and Norman's (and practically of all great ballstrikers) swing and how close the answer is to my theory.

The answer I am aware of lies in principles of human body mechanics and is really very clear and easy to comprehend. This is, IMHO, what they found in the dirt, no matter now if coincidentally or deliberately. I know I owe to write the post about biokinetics - lack of time, sorry - but will do it a.s.a.p. if any of you are interested.

Cheers

[Jim_0068]

Unless you have different anatomy than anyone else on earth, if you're left forearm rotates that means your left wrist will rotate, and then that means your left hand rotates, and finally that means the clubface will rotate.

Now since your left hand is on the grip and controls the movement of the face, if your left forearm rotates you have opened the face.

The only way to NOT allow it to open would be to do something funky at your left wrist (bend it dramatically) and hogan didn't do that.

[Freddy300]

sevam1, on Jun 25 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

Amazing photo of Moe in his prime in the 60's. Photocopy of a photo, so not the greatest quality, but worth a look.

Nice and thanks for posting. Moe's stance looks pretty wide as mentioned in the videos. It looks like his stance with the front foot looks a little open but I may be wrong.

I watched sevam's other videos and he says he keeps a pretty tight grip with his left hand? Sevam?

[RJC59]

Dariusz J., on Jun 25 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

Just a little late to another Hogan discussion (was away with my kid for his Junior National Championships without access to the net), but with great pleasure when we are talking about Mr.Hogan.
Sorry to say, although the "Hogan" swing is really not bad - it is not the same as Hogan's original swing. Partially, SF and Don already have answered why it is different...

BTW, I wonder what the author of the clip consider as the common denominator of Hogan's and Norman's (and practically of all great ballstrikers) swing and how close the answer is to my theory.

The answer I am aware of lies in principles of human body mechanics and is really very clear and easy to comprehend. This is, IMHO, what they found in the dirt, no matter now if coincidentally or deliberately. I know I owe to write the post about biokinetics - lack of time, sorry - but will do it a.s.a.p. if any of you are interested.

Cheers

I would like to hear your explanation when you have time, thanks.

[Tiltswing]

Darius I would really like to read what you have to say about golf swing biomechanics. Being involved with MORAD and The Golfing Machine, I'm always very interested to learn about the mechanics and intricacies of the swing. I'd be greatful to see any information you have.

[sevam1]

Very Firm both hands unless I want to hit it far. Squeeze right hand thumb and forefinger to fade. Hogan advised against this because very few golfers would benefit from it. Very firm grip pressure = less distance but better distance control.

[slicefixer]

sevam1, on Jun 25 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

Amazing photo of Moe in his prime in the 60's. Photocopy of a photo, so not the greatest quality, but worth a look.

Fantastic......."grounded"......"leveraged".......fantastic........I LUV Moe's swing......I also like sevam1's too.......

[club face control]

Jim_0068, on Jun 25 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

Unless you have different anatomy than anyone else on earth, if you're left forearm rotates that means your left wrist will rotate, and then that means your left hand rotates, and finally that means the clubface will rotate.

Now since your left hand is on the grip and controls the movement of the face, if your left forearm rotates you have opened the face.

The only way to NOT allow it to open would be to do something funky at your left wrist (bend it dramatically) and hogan didn't do that.

Good post..
I do not understand how that can be done either, and would love to hear how it is done.
thanks face