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El Tucan Speaks..... (NO POLITICS)


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#1 Rangeballz

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:32 AM

And apparently he's not happy.

https://www.golf.com...tent=2019-02-12

I actually semi-regret dredging up this issue again.

Edited by Rangeballz, 12 February 2019 - 07:33 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:38 AM

El Toucan feels he is underpaid...will not accept more money...OK....

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:55 AM

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:59 AM

By no means should Matt Kuchar feel pressured to pay his caddie more money.

He paid him what he thought he deserved...$5000.

I would have given the caddie 10 percent, thats like $120,000.  It would have been a feel good story, El Tucan would have been set for a nice long while.  My bank account wouldnt be hurt.  The fans would love it.  El Tucan and I would do it again next year.  Great story.

Matt Kuchar doesnt care about any of that.  And thats ok, he just shouldnt expect anyone to do anything for him (if he does expect it) or view him as someone he is not...a generous person with a big heart.  He is just a person, with a normal heart.  Totally fine , nothing wrong with that.

Edited by tdk8180, 12 February 2019 - 08:00 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:00 AM

Cheap is cheap.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:05 AM

Steinberg is involved.......shocker!

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:11 AM

At this point Kuchar should take $50k and burn it on the dirt road in front of El Tucan’s house.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:17 AM

ElTucan sounds like a self-entitled jerk. He and some others are pretty much clueless as to the additional duties of the tour caddie. Guy does a fraction of the job for a week and wants full pay... Total BS. I'm also going to bet the El Tucan pretty much cost himself future earnings with the pros.

I'll make this offer, If Kuch or any other pro want to pay me $5k to caddie for them for the week I'll gladly take the week off and sling their bag around.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:17 AM

Ugly story all the way around.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:17 AM

I don't understand the people saying Kuchar is cheap.  As I understand it, the rate was agreed upon in the begining.  If it was too low for the caddie, why did he accept the gig?


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:20 AM

If the situation was not ridiculous before it is now.

El Toucan - "I want more money"
Kuchar - "have an extra $15,000"
El Toucan - "no thank you".

Chances of anyone wanting El Toucan to caddie for them at the event next time around = 0%
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:23 AM

View PostMattyO1984, on 12 February 2019 - 08:20 AM, said:

If the situation was not ridiculous before it is now.

El Toucan - "I want more money"
Kuchar - "have an extra $15,000"
El Toucan - "no thank you".

Chances of anyone wanting El Toucan to caddie for them at the event next time around = 0%

El Toucan: " I meant I wanted WAY more money"
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:24 AM

El Toucan drank the "I should have been paid more" Twitter troll Kool-aid, and now here we are... re-hashing this train wreck.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:28 AM

Hmmmmm.

So people convinced him after the fact he was underpaid and waits until January 24, 2019 to send an email to Steiny. (And BS he wrote that email).

Then he is offered $15,000 more.

And he says, "no thanks."

Looks like the grandstanding play on social media by Gillis and Mr. Attention Ho Plaid Shorts Man and assurances they said they were making to El Toucan that this would pay off didn't pay off.  I'd say El Toucan should have no faith in interlopers having nothing to do with the transaction, and the reports of him getting only $3000 by those folks were false.

He made a deal and it was a good deal.  Sour grapes is purely because some "do gooders" (really not, since their motives were just personal attention) told him he should and would get more.

LOL, and yep, pretty sure Kuch won't be asking this guy to caddie again but El Toucan "beats him to the ignore"!

Edited by Hawkeye77, 12 February 2019 - 08:32 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:30 AM

At this point Kooch should just send him $500k in cash and make it publicly known.  The drug lords will make sure El Toucan doesn't ever talk about this again.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:31 AM

If there was an unspecified bonus amount left to Kuchar's discretion and he decided on $2k out of $1.3mm then it's pretty hard not to see him as cheap. Was it standard and reasonable? Maybe but still pretty cheap and makes me think Mr. Smiles is
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:33 AM

His self-proclaimed humbleness doesn’t ring true. I wonder who convinced him to turn down $15k? Maybe Mr. Plaid Pants guy.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:34 AM

View Postchris975d, on 12 February 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

I don't understand the people saying Kuchar is cheap.  As I understand it, the rate was agreed upon in the begining.  If it was too low for the caddie, why did he accept the gig?

Kuchar offered $3k no strings attached. If he had missed the cut and relieved El Tucan of 2 days of work and still paid him the 3k I doubt the caddie would have given 1/2 of it back.  

If Kuchar has offered him 10% of his earnings on Monday morning El Tucan would have said no, there is a decent chance that amount would be $0.00.  Tucan had guaranteed money at the start of the week. Kuchar added 66% to it before leaving town. In cash. Kuchar did the right thing. Tucan will have trouble with the Mexican Tax Authority (SAT) by next year’s tournament. The local mayor and policia will want their share of that $5,000. Their share is about $5,000.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:40 AM

Contract = Offer and Acceptance of Offer

Kuch offers him 25 days pay at peak rates for what could've been only 2 days if he missed the cut.  He Accepted the deal. This guy needs to go away.
Don't complain about the deal you agreed to.  Good Luck getting a bag for next year's event.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:42 AM

The Toucan will likely not survive another news cycle.

Kuchar has a weirdness about him, going back to him and his father, the whole "golly gosh" routine is just odd, surely nobody is like that?


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:43 AM

I dunno, no matter how this ends, I have less respect for both the player and the caddie now. I'll speculate just like everyone else here is doing; if it was most any other player, this would have been a non-issue.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:44 AM

Sorry caddies on winning bags get 10% .....common practice.....why the re-write now? Poor little non-american gets what I give him?

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:44 AM

someone please give me an extra 15k towards this year's contribution; thanks.  

what a short sighted little fella.  all pun intended.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:49 AM

Seems weird I would have just taken the $15k and gone away. Anyway this does reflect so poorly on kuchar. I'm not sure anyone was expecting him to give 10%,but to give $5k originally, then after some pressure offer another $15k is a total joke. This is tax deductible for him the actual cost is probably half what he pays the caddie.

It has affected my opinion of kuchar which sucks, I really don't like him anymore.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:52 AM

View PostSwooshLT, on 12 February 2019 - 08:44 AM, said:

Sorry caddies on winning bags get 10% .....common practice.....why the re-write now? Poor little non-american gets what I give him?

This is untrue.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:52 AM

What a cheapskate

Edited by John K., 12 February 2019 - 08:53 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:52 AM

Probably will cost Kuchar more than the 50k in the long run. Just seems like a very poor choice when the money is really just a drop in the bucket for him.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:53 AM

They agreed to 3k and a cut of Kuch's winnings. For Kuch to decide that 2k was the acceptable cut of his winnings is definitely not a great look for a guy who has made 46 million in winnings on the tour.

However the worst look to me is him turning around and offering the guy a pity 15k because he got some bad press, he should have just stuck to his guns and said I paid him what was fair and that's that and never said another word about it.

I'm sure lessons will be learned and you won't have guys making the same mistake of a vague offer of a "cut of the winnings" in the future.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:56 AM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 12 February 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

ElTucan sounds like a self-entitled jerk. He and some others are pretty much clueless as to the additional duties of the tour caddie. Guy does a fraction of the job for a week and wants full pay... Total BS. I'm also going to bet the El Tucan pretty much cost himself future earnings with the pros.

I'll make this offer, If Kuch or any other pro want to pay me $5k to caddie for them for the week I'll gladly take the week off and sling their bag around.

Self-entitled? Dude wants 40% of what a tour caddie would get. Not even half. Kuchar is sounding worse and worse on this. His sponsors are making calls now I am sure, if I was one I would think about pulling out. My question is this, if El Toucan was white, what would Kuchar have given him? Maybe the same, sounds like this is just one of the many egregious cheapskate episodes of his life.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:59 AM

“My question is this, if El Toucan was white, what would Kuchar have given him?”

$5,000.  



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