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Why are graphite irons no longer popular


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#1 Lamb

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:20 PM

They don't seem to be popular like they were well over a decade ago. What happened? Seems people either got laughed at for using them or they made no difference.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:29 PM

The same reason your posts aren't
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM

:dntknw: Dont know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:43 PM

View PostRipken08, on 11 February 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

The same reason your posts aren't

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

:dntknw: Dont know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
Hes not talking about shafts hes referring to actual iron head material.

Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
Fairway: Titleist 917F2
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:47 PM

Another Recoil fan in a huge way.  Tennis elbow was close to ending my golf maybe for good last year.  And, nothing feels better than Recoils with a quality forged iron.  I don't know that dispersion is exact to steel, but I certainly don't notice a difference.

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

:dntknw: Don't know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
He's not talking about shafts he's referring to actual iron head material.

???
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:50 PM

Lightweight steel is just as good and much cheaper.    And no one needs to get longer with irons , the heads are very good at being forgiving with springlike effect.   As well if the pros aren’t using it there is very little street interest.  I think Kuch is the only one using graphite and they aren’t even , they are hybrid steelfibers.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:50 PM

The heads yes, shafts no.  Yonex and Yamaha graphite heads flopped.  There are far more graphite shafts on Tours now than ever. Duke, Snedeker, Kucher, Couples and many more on all three Tours.

Edited by rgk5, 11 February 2019 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:51 PM

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

:dntknw: Don’t know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
He’s not talking about shafts he’s referring to actual iron head material.

Never seen a graphite iron head.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:51 PM

I'm dubious of your claim. What do you base it upon other than your personal observation.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:57 PM

View PostLemonde, on 11 February 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

Lightweight steel is just as good and much cheaper. And no one needs to get longer with irons , the heads are very good at being forgiving with springlike effect.   As well if the pros aren’t using it there is very little street interest.  I think Kuch is the only one using graphite and they aren’t even , they are hybrid steelfibers.

Except for two major categories.

1. Graphite dampens vibration 70% more than steel without moisture trapping shaft inserts.  A boon for those with arthritis and tendonitis.

2. Graphite shafts can be manufactured  with an almost infinite number of bend profiles, tip and butt stiffness types in weights from 38 gms to 130 gms.  No company has made a commercially viable steel shaft weighing less than 60 gms.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:10 PM

View PostLemonde, on 11 February 2019 - 06:51 PM, said:

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

:dntknw: Don’t know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
He’s not talking about shafts he’s referring to actual iron head material.

Never seen a graphite iron head.

Nor have I.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:13 PM

Oh yeah Yamaha and a few others produced irons actually made out of graphite.
Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:16 PM

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostLemonde, on 11 February 2019 - 06:51 PM, said:

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

:dntknw: Don’t know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
He’s not talking about shafts he’s referring to actual iron head material.

Never seen a graphite iron head.

Nor have I.

I recall Yamaha making irons with graphite heads and shafts in the 1990's. The soles were steel bonded to a granite head.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:28 PM

View Postdalehead, on 11 February 2019 - 07:16 PM, said:

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostLemonde, on 11 February 2019 - 06:51 PM, said:

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Poststryper, on 11 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

:dntknw: Dont know, my Recoils  are very popular with me....easily he best equipment change of my career.
Hes not talking about shafts hes referring to actual iron head material.

Never seen a graphite iron head.

Nor have I.

I recall Yamaha making irons with graphite heads and shafts in the 1990's. The soles were steel bonded to a granite head.

I can see graphite being strategically used to lower head weight overall in hybrid-like iron sets, but I cant see a graphite face plate...but Im no engineer.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:45 PM

I thought Kuchar was back to steel shafts?
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:54 PM

It's a combination of both irons and shafts evolving over the last 5-6 years. The spring like effects of some new irons (P790 for example), and the new evolution of lightweight steel (DG 105 for example) has made it easier to play steel with all these new lighter and stronger material entering the market. Graphite still has its place in the market, but it's not as dominant anymore.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:17 PM

View PostLamb, on 11 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

They don't seem to be popular like they were well over a decade ago. What happened? Seems people either got laughed at for using them or they made no difference.

Sounds like you want to insult people who use graphite shafts in irons.

Early graphite iron shafts could be a bit feathery, but the last 5 years balance a lot better. Even if somewhat lighter, they seem to feel much more solid.

Sorry Lamb, but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:26 PM

View Postgdb99, on 11 February 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

I thought Kuchar was back to steel shafts?

Kuchar has a mixed bag, according to WITB after winning 2019 Sony Open:

Hybrids: Bridgestone Tour B XD-H (18 degrees), Ping Anser (20)
Shafts: Fujikura Motore Speeder TS 8.8 X flex

Irons: Bridgestone J15CB (5-PW)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 S300 (soft stepped)

Wedges: Bridgestone J40 Forged (52 bent to 51 degrees); Cleveland RTX-4 (58 bent to 57 degrees), Cleveland RTX-3 (62 bent to 63 degrees)
Shafts: Aerotech Steelfiber i110X, KBS Tour 120 S, KBS Tour 120

Note: the DG 105  S300 (103gr.) - softstepped - is not exactly a slugger shaft.

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Driver:  Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
  or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
Hybrid:  Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 95 gr. (As of 21 Nov 2018)
Wedge:  Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS +  
MD.PM 60°/10 / KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |   
Putter:   Slotline Inertial SL-583F / 34" w. SuperStroke 2.0 MidSlim grip
Bag:   Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
Ball:   Calla SuperSoft
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   ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:35 PM

$39 and they are yours.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:39 PM

Tried steelfibre 95 stiff in my 3 iron and hybrid, maybe its the graphite dampening of vibration or whatever the reason it might be, I just could not feel the shaft. I dont lose noticeable distance with constant weight steel shafts so there went the steelfibre.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:14 PM

After a life of hard work and sports at 50yrs old modern graphite iron shafts are a God sent. I always have one set with graphite.
Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:16 PM

View PostChipNRun, on 11 February 2019 - 10:26 PM, said:

View Postgdb99, on 11 February 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

I thought Kuchar was back to steel shafts?

Kuchar has a mixed bag, according to WITB after winning 2019 Sony Open:

Hybrids: Bridgestone Tour B XD-H (18 degrees), Ping Anser (20)
Shafts: Fujikura Motore Speeder TS 8.8 X flex

Irons: Bridgestone J15CB (5-PW)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 S300 (soft stepped)

Wedges: Bridgestone J40 Forged (52 bent to 51 degrees); Cleveland RTX-4 (58 bent to 57 degrees), Cleveland RTX-3 (62 bent to 63 degrees)
Shafts: Aerotech Steelfiber i110X, KBS Tour 120 S, KBS Tour 120

Note: the DG 105  S300 (103gr.) - softstepped - is not exactly a slugger shaft.


I love the random graphite shaft in his bag. After how much he stiffed his caddy you would think he could afford to replace it with the 105 s

Edited by ago33, 11 February 2019 - 11:17 PM.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:35 PM

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

He’s not talking about shafts he’s referring to actual iron head material.

I’m not sure about that. His question was why they were no longer popular like they were a decade+ ago. Graphite heads like Yonex we’re never popular and they were 30+ years ago.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:44 PM

View PostRSinSG, on 11 February 2019 - 11:35 PM, said:

View PostBig Ben, on 11 February 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

Hes not talking about shafts hes referring to actual iron head material.

Im not sure about that. His question was why they were no longer popular like they were a decade+ ago. Graphite heads like Yonex were never popular and they were 30+ years ago.
True that

Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
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#26 rgk5

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:41 AM

View Postgdb99, on 11 February 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

I thought Kuchar was back to steel shafts?

He did late last year but has returned to Steelfibres IIRC.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:06 AM

View PostChipNRun, on 11 February 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

View PostLamb, on 11 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

They don't seem to be popular like they were well over a decade ago. What happened? Seems people either got laughed at for using them or they made no difference.

Sounds like you want to insult people who use graphite shafts in irons.

Early graphite iron shafts could be a bit feathery, but the last 5 years balance a lot better. Even if somewhat lighter, they seem to feel much more solid.

Sorry Lamb, but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.


Huh Where is the insult in my post? I know exactly what I am talking about and it's that in the current market graphite shafts in irons are not as popular as they were when they came out.

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#28 rgk5

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:37 AM

View PostLamb, on 12 February 2019 - 09:06 AM, said:

View PostChipNRun, on 11 February 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

View PostLamb, on 11 February 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

They don't seem to be popular like they were well over a decade ago. What happened? Seems people either got laughed at for using them or they made no difference.

Sounds like you want to insult people who use graphite shafts in irons.

Early graphite iron shafts could be a bit feathery, but the last 5 years balance a lot better. Even if somewhat lighter, they seem to feel much more solid.

Sorry Lamb, but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.


Huh Where is the insult in my post? I know exactly what I am talking about and it's that in the current market graphite shafts in irons are not as popular as they were when they came out.

Do you have a Datatech survey to prove that?  I fit 50-65 sets of irons per year and in the last two years 15-20% of my fits were with graphite shafts. I don't think my results would be substantially different from a lot of other fitters

Cobra F8+ 11*, Mitsubishi Grand Bassara 39 R

Cobra F8 3-4 wood 15.5*, VA Composites Raijin 44 S

Ping G400 hybrids 19*, 22*, Alta 70 R

Callaway Rogue Pro 5-pw, Recoil F3

Miura "Mind The Gap" 51*, Recoil F3

Ping Glide 1.0 55*, CFS Wedge flex

Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 58*, Alta 70 R

Ping Sigma 2 ZB 2, 35", 2* loft, OTW

Super Stroke Oversize grips


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:47 AM

UST introduced Recoil shafts in 2013.  So they are infinitely more popular than they were a decade ago.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 01:25 PM

Is there any statistically significant data from Club Champion or any other nationwide fitter or retailer?

Personally Im 100% on board with graphite iron shafts. They can be engineered to almost any bend profile desired whereas extruded steel tubing is limited to step patterns. Until 3D printed steel shafts are commercially viable, engineered graphite provides design advantages.

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