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#1 jbrunk

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 08:06 PM

Anyone else done this test? I put these clubs up against one another today on a launch monitor.
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This is my transition point between woods-hybrids-irons. My scoring spikes up at this yardage too, about 180-185y. Solving this problem (while its too cold outside to play) should pay dividends this summer.
Yeah...results: I was overwhelmingly more consistent today with the 4i, longer too. Very surprised! Probably just the right shaft away from getting more out of the 4UT. But also interesting that I couldn’t get equivalent carry out of the 4Hy (which I’d gamed all of last season). They were all weak pushes, alas.
So what do you play? 4i, 4U, or 4Hy? How have you tested at your transition?

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 09:27 PM

4i here.

I have enough CHS that I can get the 4i in the air with enough spin/height to hold most greens. It's also better at hitting low bullets under tree branches.

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 09:49 PM

4i. Messed with a Apex UT 24 once. 4i is much better for my game. If you are only hitting it 185 you might want to look at decent angle and not just total distance.
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Posted 08 February 2019 - 10:21 PM

4 iron here. I played a 4H for a couple of years and it may of been a half club longer but I was way more accurate with the iron.
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Posted 08 February 2019 - 11:12 PM

4 hy, no longer have the speed to get a 4 iron in the air.  Hybrids are my friends.


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Posted 09 February 2019 - 12:38 AM

Love my 4 iron
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Posted 09 February 2019 - 01:04 AM

4 Utility/DI for me. As accurate as the 4i from my set and more forgiving. I don't start messing with hybrids until the 3i spot.
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Posted 09 February 2019 - 08:17 PM

Tried the XF 4UT again today, must’ve hit 50 shots on the sim after a round, just wasn’t working. Even when I got the BS up to 120mph (rarely), launch angle was too high. 168-172y carry just isn’t gonna cut it. This monitor doesn’t measure/calculate descent angle (or spin), but 12y avg roll out isn’t a good sign. If I want to land that short and roll it up, I’ll punch a 5 iron. Leaning toward carrying 4-5W 17.5°, 3-4Hy 20.5°, 4i 23°.
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Posted 09 February 2019 - 08:32 PM

21* UT + 21* 7wood covers distances from 190-220. They are my 3-4-5 iron replacements.
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Posted 09 February 2019 - 08:48 PM

4i still working for me.  Its done well for me for advancing the ball looooow from the bushes, and staying under the 15-20mph wind.

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 09:44 PM

4i. I have yet to come to an agreement with hybrids. I tried a 3 hybrid, but still prefer the 3i.

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 09:59 PM

I have quite the conundrum with this choice. I hit the 4 iron well. Goes typically where I want it to, but it is a much lower flight and I know I am not going to get everything out of it. The utility works better flight wise but I usually don't hit them quite as well. Possibly due to the lighter head feeling? Im not sure.

Hybrid gets me the height and typically the distance I need on well hits, but my misses are bigger left to right.... haha Im all sorts of effed
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:46 AM

4 iron ...possibly my favorite club in the bag. Have total confidence with it and it's great for hitting knockdown shots and laying up on par 5's.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:56 AM

G700 4 iron. This is a must try club believe me.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 01:30 PM

I'm doing a similar test now, except one or two steps down.  My 20° U45 3 is a tee club only and I'd call it about a 215 club.  My Callaway 18° 816 5 wood is about a 215 club, but from the fairway and I've never hit it off a tee on the course.  I always carry both and no longer even own a 3 wood.  I just picked up a GAPR Hi 3 on a flyer which is 19°.  I want it to be good, but it's going to have to be exceptional to knock out one and/or the other of my long clubs.  I'm a Hybrid hater, but as a "hybridized" DI from Taylormade, I had to give it a try.

As far as your test goes, maybe you're just a much better iron swinger, and like me, hybrids just don't cut it.  And just to stir the pot, I don't see the need for 24° DI, ever.  With the help and distance built into GIs and SGIs irons these days, a high lofted DI is pointless.  My current set starts with a 24° 5i and it's shockingly long, so no surprise that your 4 iron beats out your one degree higher lofted DI, even with it's longer shaft.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 06:08 PM

At the moment I game a 5hy, 3hy and a 1hy then driver....just more consistently straight with the 5hy than the equivalent iron. Tested them both on the range, course and LM.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 06:48 PM

What would be the swing speed (driver) required to use a 4 iron?
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:43 AM

4 iron is one of my favorite clubs in the bag, for whatever reason, I just got along with that spot.

The 745 is more than forgiving enough to stay put in that spot, but could easily see myself using the U45 there as well.  Just a bit more versatility with the iron version.  The utility irons basically just want to fly high and that's it, really difficult to flight them down and just forget about it from any remotely difficult lie in the rough.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:24 AM

4 and 5 game improvement irons for me. Super easy to hit and elevate just goes a little left when they are not happy but super long.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:37 AM

I've never done it on a simulator, but I know from bagging multiple examples of all three types of clubs over the years that I perform noticeably more consistently with utilities versus the other two. The only option at this part of the bag I have not spent much time with is a super-GI style long iron.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:16 PM

When I am striking the ball well I prefer a 4-iron as I can shape an iron much better than a hybrid. The hybrid is great when I need something to aid my long game and I don't feel confident in terms of the swing I am currently making. The decision usually happens on the range pre-round and the ousted club goes into the truck for the day.

I have tried the utility iron sparingly, but I've just never been able to figure out how to make it work for my swing. I am sure some dedicated range time with one is all that's needed, but it wasn't love at first sight.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:28 PM

I have carried both the 4i and 4H in recent years, often in the bag together.

Here are 4 irons in discussion:
  • Calla X20 Tour, 24*, shaft R.flex NS Pro 8950 GH (97 grams)
  • TM SLDR, 21*, shaft R. KBS Tour C-Taper 90 (~ 95 grams)
  • Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten, 22*, shaft R. KBS Tour 90 (101 grams parallel)
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  • Cobra FlyZ 4-5H, set at 22*, shaft Matrix VLCT Altus Lite (75 grams)
First of all, the 4H pair are both traditional hybrids - not iron replacement. This means they have shaft lengths between fairway woods and numbered irons.

On 4 Hybrids: Adams V4 had lots of offset and delivered left misses at the wrong time. The FlyZ is set at 22* - minimum loft for the head - so it delivers a slight fade from a square stance. From a closed stance I can usually draw the ball.

Overall impressions: The 4Hs fly about a club longer, and are the more versatile club. The 4 irons, however, launch lower, tend to fly straighter and are teebox life-savers on those tight little par 4s from hell. Also useful on almost long par 3 holes where a 4H will blow you over the green and into the twilight zone.

Also, from a tee, the SLDR and CB Pro fly almost as long as the hybrid. 4i not as consistent from the fairway. (If I keep the CB Pro 4i in the bag, I may reshaft it to lighter weight graphite, as a semi-hybrid).

Where I get true overlap is the  7W and 3H. Pretty much the same distance. The 7W launches higher out of summer rough, while lower-launching 3H helps beat winter headwinds.

4i average = 175 / FlyZ 4H average = 185.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:29 PM

I've done similar test but in the 3i slot.

TLDR; if you strike them all very well, there only main difference should be flight. Hybrid will spin the most with the most speed... the traditional iron will spin the least with the least ball speed with a driving iron somewhere in the middle. Most courses I play tend to be soft, so I would usually favor a hybrid, maybe even a 5w if it's not super windy out. Only one course I play can it get some what firm, in which case the 3i is the play, with more run out available.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:32 PM

View PostPapa Johick, on 09 February 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

I have quite the conundrum with this choice. I hit the 4 iron well. Goes typically where I want it to, but it is a much lower flight and I know I am not going to get everything out of it. The utility works better flight wise but I usually don't hit them quite as well. Possibly due to the lighter head feeling? Im not sure.

Hybrid gets me the height and typically the distance I need on well hits, but my misses are bigger left to right.... haha Im all sorts of effed

Have you tried a hybrid with the same steel shaft as your irons?  I have an s300 in my 23* Super 9031, and I can't find a club that I can hit as consistent as it.  I have no problems hitting it low or high when needed.  I've tried some DI and other hybrids, but I just keep coming back to the Super 9031 after a round or two.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:33 PM

I carry both, the 4i and 4H.  They both get used quite often but the 4i I like off the tee vs the 4H off the fairway or rough!  The irons have steel shafts and the hybrid has graphite of course so two different clubs for sure!

I also just picked up a 3HL which is the hybrid iron from an old Ping set of G2's with a steel shaft that I want to hit this year to see where it may fall in the bag setup/yardage makeup!

Edited by lil'mike, 11 February 2019 - 12:35 PM.


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#26 Papa Johick

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:38 AM

View Postjah7838, on 11 February 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostPapa Johick, on 09 February 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

I have quite the conundrum with this choice. I hit the 4 iron well. Goes typically where I want it to, but it is a much lower flight and I know I am not going to get everything out of it. The utility works better flight wise but I usually don't hit them quite as well. Possibly due to the lighter head feeling? Im not sure.

Hybrid gets me the height and typically the distance I need on well hits, but my misses are bigger left to right.... haha Im all sorts of effed

Have you tried a hybrid with the same steel shaft as your irons?  I have an s300 in my 23* Super 9031, and I can't find a club that I can hit as consistent as it.  I have no problems hitting it low or high when needed.  I've tried some DI and other hybrids, but I just keep coming back to the Super 9031 after a round or two.

That’s a good point. Never really thought about it haha
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:02 AM

I agree that a 4Hy can be helpful in getting the ball up but I rarely hit my 3- or 4- into a green outside of the occasional long Par-3.

Thus, I carry an iron, more specifically a T-MB which is sort of built like a driving iron but still compact in terms of looks.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:22 AM

View PostPapa Johick, on 12 February 2019 - 08:38 AM, said:

View Postjah7838, on 11 February 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostPapa Johick, on 09 February 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

I have quite the conundrum with this choice. I hit the 4 iron well. Goes typically where I want it to, but it is a much lower flight and I know I am not going to get everything out of it. The utility works better flight wise but I usually don't hit them quite as well. Possibly due to the lighter head feeling? Im not sure.

Hybrid gets me the height and typically the distance I need on well hits, but my misses are bigger left to right.... haha Im all sorts of effed

Have you tried a hybrid with the same steel shaft as your irons?  I have an s300 in my 23* Super 9031, and I can't find a club that I can hit as consistent as it.  I have no problems hitting it low or high when needed.  I've tried some DI and other hybrids, but I just keep coming back to the Super 9031 after a round or two.

That's a good point. Never really thought about it haha

Using the same shaft as your irons is something I have been doing for a while now and it makes a world of difference in consistency.

Unless you are looking for a distance club, i.e. not looking for a normal distance gap from your last iron, using the same shaft is probably the most correct thing to do.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 12:17 PM

Went from 4i AP2 to 4i TMB. 4h would likely go too high for me. The TMB is great. Launches high with good spin. I can't really use it as a tee club bc it sounds too much for that
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