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#1 Stanks

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

Whatís going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and itís been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, Iíve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What Iím trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:38 PM

The thing that seemed to help me getting rid of EE was working on my pivot and in particular getting pressure left early.  I think I still EE but not as bad as before.  

I’m always wrong giving advice - my internet expertise isn’t quite there yet.  Hopefully some of the instructors chime in.
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Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:21 AM

Are you turning your head and watching your backswing?
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Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:32 AM

Camera angle is obscuring a few things, but setup is a huge issue in your EE.

Too bent over, hands too low and butt sticking out too much.  No drill is going to change that you must EE to hit the ball from that setup.

Exaggerate all 3 of those setup changes and I bet you barely EE, or not at all.


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Posted 08 February 2019 - 10:07 AM

FYI i had the same issues Monte mentions.....the new setup will probably feel like Mr. Haveacamp from Caddyshack....no joke.

What helped me is to stand tall with the club in both hands in front of you.  Slightly flex knees while keeping the pelvis pointed down and feel like you are bending a little from your lower back and rounding your upper back to reach a bit for the ball as well.  Feels awful at first but after a few weeks it starts feeling better.

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 11:33 AM

While it appears that you are setting up an acceptable distance from the ball with a normal 8i, it looks like you're choking down a couple of inches on the handle. Effectively reducing the length of the club requires moving the toe line closer to the ball/target line.

At 0.17 (1st pic), look at where your body wants to set up vs. where you increase your primary tilt at 0.22 (2nd pic). If you want to keep gripping down, probably somewhere between those two ball positions might be optimal.

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:16 PM

Here’s a drill that fixes EE:

With a 7i take your regular setup and address the ball positioned under your lead arm pit. Now straighten your trail leg completely and lock it in place.  

IMG_1549645867.417166.jpg

Now, take several swings as if your trail leg is in a cast - not allowing it to bend to the point you finish your swing with a straight trail leg. After a period of successful strikes (you decide) you‚ÄôÄôll feel what it‚ÄôÄôs like to move your hips correctly.

Start bending the knee on your trail leg bit by bit to get back into proper setup and you‚ÄôÄôll be rid of EE.  Works every time with my students.

Good luck!

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 03:28 PM

do you feel your pressure ever truly getting into your right heel?  if you get the proper amount of pressure into that right heel in the backswing, it will almost always stop the early extension.  This is done by making sure the hips are turning on the proper angle, with plenty of pelvis tilt.  your hips look pretty good in the backswing, but i cant tell if you are truly getting your pressure into that heel.

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 04:17 PM

View Postcarrera, on 08 February 2019 - 12:21 AM, said:

Are you turning your head and watching your backswing?

No. I don't believe so. I have before track club movement but, do it mostly by feel now.

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 08 February 2019 - 12:32 AM, said:

Camera angle is obscuring a few things, but setup is a huge issue in your EE.

Too bent over, hands too low and butt sticking out too much.  No drill is going to change that you must EE to hit the ball from that setup.

Exaggerate all 3 of those setup changes and I bet you barely EE, or not at all.

Thank you, kind sir. I am working on standing a bit straighter and bringer the the but of the club closer to the belt buckle. I have posted an updated video below to show minor progress.

View Postmoehogan, on 08 February 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

While it appears that you are setting up an acceptable distance from the ball with a normal 8i, it looks like you're choking down a couple of inches on the handle. Effectively reducing the length of the club requires moving the toe line closer to the ball/target line.

At 0.17 (1st pic), look at where your body wants to set up vs. where you increase your primary tilt at 0.22 (2nd pic). If you want to keep gripping down, probably somewhere between those two ball positions might be optimal.

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Attachment EC7800CC-C9C2-4201-B586-21D9F515A1A3.png

Thank you. I naturally grip maybe an inch or 1.5" from the butt of the club. Don't know why. Never has been brought to my attention before. I do choke down when taking more partial swings or uneven lies and finesse shots.


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Here’s a drill that fixes EE:

With a 7i take your regular setup and address the ball positioned under your lead arm pit. Now straighten your trail leg completely and lock it in place.  

Attachment IMG_1549645867.417166.jpg

Now, take several swings as if your trail leg is in a cast - not allowing it to bend to the point you finish your swing with a straight trail leg. After a period of successful strikes (you decide) you’€™ll feel what it’€™s like to move your hips correctly.

Start bending the knee on your trail leg bit by bit to get back into proper setup and you’€™ll be rid of EE.  Works every time with my students.

Good luck!

I gave this a bit of a whirl (maybe 30 balls or so) and it lead to a few improvements but, it turns into a wrist break down and flick fest. That is all me and obviously not the drill. My rotation needs improvement.
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Posted 09 February 2019 - 04:22 PM

For an update:

https://youtu.be/9sOkzW8hs5k

I took a lesson this morning and and was shanking like a boss. Reason for this are my arms going out on the downswing and not in / closer to the body / lack of rotation. My EE is definitely rolling a bit back but, it's a bit there still. Shots are seemingly still quite high as I'm scoopy.

A question earlier was, if I get my weight in my trail foot / heel. I would definitely say my weight does get to more of my trail foot mid-instep. Not the heel but not the toes. In between.

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 10:23 PM

The face is just dead shut in your backswing and gets more and more shut with each swing. I'd have to think that is causing you to make compensations later in the swing to counterbalance that.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:38 AM

You seem to set up with weight on balls of feet and stay there or toes.  This will keep you from turning.  

Add some knee bend and get off the toes.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:58 PM

View Postm66, on 08 February 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

Here’s a drill that fixes EE:

With a 7i take your regular setup and address the ball positioned under your lead arm pit. Now straighten your trail leg completely and lock it in place.  

Attachment IMG_1549645867.417166.jpg

Now, take several swings as if your trail leg is in a cast - not allowing it to bend to the point you finish your swing with a straight trail leg. After a period of successful strikes (you decide) you’€™ll feel what it’€™s like to move your hips correctly.

Start bending the knee on your trail leg bit by bit to get back into proper setup and you’€™ll be rid of EE.  Works every time with my students.

Good luck!

This is interesting. My whole life I have had EE in my back swing, causing even more severe EE in the downswing. I believe due to a lifetime of using the wrong muscle/trying to make to big a turn/being to flat. My hips actually bail toward the ball and my front toe in the back swing. No matter what I do I couldn't combat this, except by forcing my rear leg to lock out, which kept my backside back. I could never get the timing, and this was tough on my knee obviously. But this drill seems similar. Almost teaching my lower half to stop, and separate from my upper, as opposed to my hips trying to keep turning forcing them toward the front toe. An interesting side note, I had a day where I was able to time the leg straightening out, and it was nothing but compressed shots of the center of the face.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 04:09 PM

View Postcrombienator, on 10 February 2019 - 12:58 PM, said:

View Postm66, on 08 February 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

Here‚€™s a drill that fixes EE:

With a 7i take your regular setup and address the ball positioned under your lead arm pit. Now straighten your trail leg completely and lock it in place.  

Attachment IMG_1549645867.417166.jpg

Now, take several swings as if your trail leg is in a cast - not allowing it to bend to the point you finish your swing with a straight trail leg. After a period of successful strikes (you decide) you‚€™€™ll feel what it‚€™€™s like to move your hips correctly.

Start bending the knee on your trail leg bit by bit to get back into proper setup and you‚€™€™ll be rid of EE.  Works every time with my students.

Good luck!

This is interesting. My whole life I have had EE in my back swing, causing even more severe EE in the downswing. I believe due to a lifetime of using the wrong muscle/trying to make to big a turn/being to flat. My hips actually bail toward the ball and my front toe in the back swing. No matter what I do I couldn't combat this, except by forcing my rear leg to lock out, which kept my backside back. I could never get the timing, and this was tough on my knee obviously. But this drill seems similar. Almost teaching my lower half to stop, and separate from my upper, as opposed to my hips trying to keep turning forcing them toward the front toe. An interesting side note, I had a day where I was able to time the leg straightening out, and it was nothing but compressed shots of the center of the face.

This is a tough game, hope this gets you back to great compression

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:56 AM

View Postrkodavey, on 09 February 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

The face is just dead shut in your backswing and gets more and more shut with each swing. I'd have to think that is causing you to make compensations later in the swing to counterbalance that.

Takeaway does manage to get inside often. Itís a constant habit.

Knee bend is implemented. Sometimes it gets too busy.

My latest most conscious thought is to lead with the right below and keep rotating. Itís the real trick. I played 9 yesterday and was not great (short game was good thanks to Montes use the bounce 2 series which I highly recommend) but full shots were weak off the hozzel or toe. Thatís on me to correct. I went to the range after and tried to get elbows closer on the back and down swing while leading with the right elbow. No shanks or toes. Just dead pures. I just need to clean up the s***

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:49 PM

Educated elbow is for imbeciles and choke artists.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:09 PM

View PostAlexCzervic, on 11 February 2019 - 07:49 PM, said:

Educated elbow is for imbeciles and choke artists.

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You just turned my world upside down. Explain?

The miss right now is slice / hard fade. That is from the shaft steepening Iím sure
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:06 AM

Fix you takeaway to help get your elbows (and body) into a better top position. Right now you immediately internally rotate that left arm in the takeaway which starts the club head a bit outside and works the arms away from your body, ie a bit disconnected. At shaft parallel the club is very closed due to your wrists hinge but the bigger issue is it is hard to get your right arm to work properly in it's flex - it wants to fly and get away from your chest - I just did it myself and found it really uncomfortable - so with that elbow so far behind your body you have to really, really get it back in front by
arm parallel downswing - you don't - so you get stuck with your right arm behind your body so you end up EE and extending arms at the ball.

A couple of things you can do.   One get a smart ball or even use a TP roll (whittle it down to fit between your forearms) and do drills with it.   But a bigger drill would be to use and alignment stick into the grip end (or hold it on the shaft) and do swings - start with swings to shaft parallel keeping the shaft against your left side - this will stop you from internally rotating that left arm and get your core/chest to do more of the work in the takeway.   Can work into bigger swings.  Slowing then faster, can even hit balls but would recommend doing it with short swings and starting slowly.

Something like this:   https://www.instagra.../p/Bhe5iCyFZko/

Might be the camera angle but it looks like you setup with the club head pointing a bit left.   Given your top position, in leading with the right elbow you are most likely just opening the club face in your downswing and thus hitting fades/slices - leading with trail elbow will open the face and needs a complementary move such as the wrist motorcycle so that the face doesn't come in open.

Good luck

Looks like Sorrento Canyon - always fun when the jets from Miramar fly over.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:22 AM

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Educated elbow is for imbeciles and choke artists.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:31 AM

View Postglk, on 12 February 2019 - 09:06 AM, said:

Fix you takeaway to help get your elbows (and body) into a better top position.    Right now you immediately internally rotate that left arm in the takeaway which starts the club head a bit outside and works the arms away from your body, ie a bit disconnected.    At shaft parallel the club is very closed due to your wrists hinge but the bigger issue is it is hard to get your right arm to work properly in it's flex - it wants to fly and get away from your chest - I just did it myself and found it really uncomfortable - so with that elbow so far behind your body you have to really, really get it back in front by
arm parallel downswing - you don't - so you get stuck with your right arm behind your body so you end up EE and extending arms at the ball.

A couple of things you can do.   One get a smart ball or even use a TP roll (whittle it down to fit between your forearms) and do drills with it.   But a bigger drill would be to use and alignment stick into the grip end (or hold it on the shaft) and do swings - start with swings to shaft parallel keeping the shaft against your left side - this will stop you from internally rotating that left arm and get your core/chest to do more of the work in the takeway.   Can work into bigger swings.  Slowing then faster, can even hit balls but would recommend doing it with short swings and starting slowly.

Something like this:   https://www.instagra.../p/Bhe5iCyFZko/

Might be the camera angle but it looks like you setup with the club head pointing a bit left.   Given your top position, in leading with the right elbow you are most likely just opening the club face in your downswing and thus hitting fades/slices - leading with trail elbow will open the face and needs a complementary move such as the wrist motorcycle so that the face doesn't come in open.

Good luck

Looks like Sorrento Canyon - always fun when the jets from Miramar fly over.

Iíll look into this. I appreciate the help. I did actually just purchase a smart ball and am having a hell of a time learning to use it correctly. I understand the basic requirement and what it intends to do but, for someone who has been so wrong for so long, my adjustment is taking time.
This is, in fact, Sorrento valley golf center. My instructor is there and it seems every time he goes to make a video sum up of our lesson, the jets are buzzing. It definitely is very AMERICA. Thanks again

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:41 AM

Tyler Ferrell video and drill
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:17 AM

View PostStanks, on 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

What’s going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and it’s been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, I’ve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What I’m trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.

View PostStanks, on 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

What’s going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and it’s been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, I’ve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What I’m trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.
Watching your swing I see the same EE I struggled with for years. My ah ha moment came when I realized I was allowing my axis (spine) between my   shoulders to lift with my left shoulder, forcing me to hunch my shoulders reaching back down to my ball. I found that I was trying to force myself to stay down, when staying relaxed(loose jawed)is what allows me to stay in the shot until I stand up with the upswing of my club into my follow   though.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 03:53 PM

View PostConner Golf, on 14 February 2019 - 12:17 AM, said:

View PostStanks, on 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

Whatís going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and itís been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, Iíve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What Iím trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.

View PostStanks, on 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

Whatís going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and itís been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, Iíve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What Iím trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.
Watching your swing I see the same EE I struggled with for years. My ah ha moment came when I realized I was allowing my axis (spine) between my   shoulders to lift with my left shoulder, forcing me to hunch my shoulders reaching back down to my ball. I found that I was trying to force myself to stay down, when staying relaxed(loose jawed)is what allows me to stay in the shot until I stand up with the upswing of my club into my follow   though.

Iím not quite digesting what youíre saying here brother. I understand that we can lift up out of our posture and that is what ultimately throws off time etc but, how to stay down on the ball with the shoulders is a bit beyond me
What a time to be alive

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:16 PM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 08 February 2019 - 12:32 AM, said:

Camera angle is obscuring a few things, but setup is a huge issue in your EE. Too bent over, hands too low and butt sticking out too much. No drill is going to change that you must EE to hit the ball from that setup. Exaggerate all 3 of those setup changes and I bet you barely EE, or not at all.
Damn lol. I watched that video and thought, "idk that looks pretty good" and then Monte just rips it apart and provides simple, easy-to-implement fixes in three lines.

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:33 AM

View PostStanks, on 14 February 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

View PostConner Golf, on 14 February 2019 - 12:17 AM, said:

View PostStanks, on 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

What’s going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and it’s been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, I’ve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What I’m trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.

View PostStanks, on 07 February 2019 - 11:30 PM, said:

https://youtu.be/_A3SeNLcw3I

What’s going on gents? Works on heavy emphasis to remove EE from my life and it’s been a roller coaster ride. Name a drill, I’ve done it. Probably overdone it. I have all of Montes videos and short game is great as well as putting and a few other facets of my game.
Zipper away drill from Monte seems to help the most with my contact and control. I can occasionally overdo it and get disconnected/ sloppy.
What I’m trying to get out of this is the feels you guys use to rotate and turn through instead of trying to
Hump the ball in the downswing. I can capture more video from face on if needed.

Happy huntin boys. Hit em long this weekend.
Watching your swing I see the same EE I struggled with for years. My ah ha moment came when I realized I was allowing my axis (spine) between my   shoulders to lift with my left shoulder, forcing me to hunch my shoulders reaching back down to my ball. I found that I was trying to force myself to stay down, when staying relaxed(loose jawed)is what allows me to stay in the shot until I stand up with the upswing of my club into my follow   though.

I’m not quite digesting what you’re saying here brother. I understand that we can lift up out of our posture and that is what ultimately throws off time etc but, how to stay down on the ball with the shoulders is a bit beyond me
It's simple, if you draw a horizontal line from shoulder blade to shoulder blade and a vertical line down the spine from the neck down     where the lines intersect is your axis point. When we take our golf set up we are aligning our axis point distance and height from the ball. In a  balanced swing at the instant of contact with the ball our left shoulder is going up and our right shoulder is going down while our center axis stays in place. I know there can be slight controlled variances, but in watching your swing your axis(spine)starts rising with your left shoulder.    Worse case scenario even though your right shoulder is turning down from your spine, it gets outraced and is actually rising.


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