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#61 GMR

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:16 PM

View Postflushem, on 05 February 2019 - 12:51 AM, said:

ODDS to Win:
Dustin Johnson     5/1
Jason Day     9/1
Tony Finau     18/1
Jordan Spieth     20/1
Tommy Fleetwood     20/1
Matt Kuchar     20/1
Phil Mickelson     25/1
Paul Casey     25/1
Patrick Cantlay     25/1
Adam Scott     25/1
Patrick Reed     30/1
Branden Grace     30/1
Chez Reavie     30/1
Matthew Fitzpatrick     40/1
Shane Lowry     40/1
Adam Hadwin     40/1
Odds on hosung?


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:29 PM

View Postsnizzle, on 05 February 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

View PostMattyO1984, on 05 February 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm going for Branden Grace this week. Plays well in burst, low ball flight and the new caddie bump with Wee Man on the bag means he is your winner.

Assuming it's bad weather than certainly Grace should have a good shot.


Grace choked like a 16 year old kid going to his first prom on the last two holes last Sunday.  I didn't see anything that said he can play in the rain.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:38 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 05 February 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

View PostMattyO1984, on 05 February 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm going for Branden Grace this week. Plays well in burst, low ball flight and the new caddie bump with Wee Man on the bag means he is your winner.

Assuming it's bad weather than certainly Grace should have a good shot.


Grace choked like a 16 year old kid going to his first prom on the last two holes last Sunday.  I didn't see anything that said he can play in the rain.

Agreed. Fowler pretty much handed it to him, and he handed it back.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:44 PM

It has been raining pretty consistently to say the least for California. Hoping to get out there and check out the pros from up close. Ona clear day, Pebble has got so many scenic shot, We are definitely spoiled with it. For what it is, a chance to see some athletes and some celebrities who are decent at the game playing is not bad. Now if you keep showing me Chris Berman then I would have to pass.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:54 PM

View PostGMR, on 05 February 2019 - 03:16 PM, said:

View Postflushem, on 05 February 2019 - 12:51 AM, said:

ODDS to Win:
Dustin Johnson 5/1
Jason Day 9/1
Tony Finau 18/1
Jordan Spieth 20/1
Tommy Fleetwood 20/1
Matt Kuchar 20/1
Phil Mickelson 25/1
Paul Casey 25/1
Patrick Cantlay 25/1
Adam Scott 25/1
Patrick Reed 30/1
Branden Grace 30/1
Chez Reavie 30/1
Matthew Fitzpatrick 40/1
Shane Lowry 40/1
Adam Hadwin 40/1
Odds on hosung?

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:20 PM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:25 PM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.
Spyglass is simply an entry in the California chapter of the RTJ Golf Trail; however, the single green fee does equal up to a handful of rounds on the trail in Alabama, so things even out.
The only reason Spy is as highly regarded as it is, is because of it's neighbourhood and the opening 4 holes.

Edited by duffer987, 06 February 2019 - 01:40 AM.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:49 PM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.

and if you move Spyglass off the Pacific?
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:54 PM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.

Well the Pacific is a big part of what makes it what it is, so that argument holds no water......because itís not moving off the Pacific anytime soon. Unless the Big One does actually does  come and PB ends up IN the Pacific. But then everyone should be happy because the inland holes will be on the coast.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 05:14 PM

View Postduffer987, on 05 February 2019 - 04:25 PM, said:

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.
Spyglass is simply the only entry in the California chapter of the RTJ Golf Trail; however, the single green fee does equal up to a handful of rounds on the trail in Alabama, so things even out.
The only reason Spy is as highly regarded as it is, is because of it's neighbourhood and the opening 4 holes.

There are RTJ courses in miles from each other in Southern OC area.  Monarch Beach (1) and Coto de Caza (2).
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 05:29 PM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary.

That's like saying "replace a Ferrari engine with a VW engine and it's pretty ordinary".

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:19 PM

View PostRangeballz, on 04 February 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

View PostGolfguy9090, on 04 February 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

Damn... there is a lot of negativity on this thread.

Well, truth be told, while I love the course I can no longer tolerate:

1) Bill Murray, Chris Berman, George Lopez, Ray Romano et al.
2) Gary McCord
3) A bunch of corporate gasbags smoozing and congratulating each other, and TV coverage of same
4) Endless shots of golden retrievers fetching driftwood
5) Amateurs who think they are good and we are tuning in to watch them.

I'll see the course again in June, so I may not watch this event.


LOL.   'Endless shots of golden retrievers fetching driftwood'.   Thanks for the laugh!

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 09:06 PM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.

Most people who say this have never played pebble. Have you? Also, terrible argument, the ocean is literally part of the build of the course and routing.  Probably one of the worst overall takes in golf. Can you make the same argument for courses that have rolling hills and elevation change? Get rid of that and the course is no good? It is basically the same thing.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 09:07 PM

View PostRangeballz, on 04 February 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

View PostGolfguy9090, on 04 February 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

Damn... there is a lot of negativity on this thread.

Well, truth be told, while I love the course I can no longer tolerate:

1) Bill Murray, Chris Berman, George Lopez, Ray Romano et al.
2) Gary McCord
3) A bunch of corporate gasbags smoozing and congratulating each other, and TV coverage of same
4) Endless shots of golden retrievers fetching driftwood
5) Amateurs who think they are good and we are tuning in to watch them.

I'll see the course again in June, so I may not watch this event.

Bill Murray is the worst part about this week. Why do people think he is funny? He is trying way too damn hard.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 09:45 PM

Love the course, the format is absolutely terrible.

It, on a small scale, represents the celebrity obsessed culture we live in today.  I've never understood the fascination with watching famous people do what the "common folk" do, but the shtick is old.  I'm sure it used to be fun before instagram, facebook, twitter, TMZ, etc., but now there is 24/7 access to celebrities if you want it, so I don't see how it's appealing.

I'd much much much rather watch stories like Woodland with Amy at the Waste Management than people who make more money in a half year than most people in their lifetimes showing everyone what the good life is like.

Every year, you can expect the following:  Bill Murray trying way too hard and not coming close to being funny; Larry the Cable Guy wearing a cutoff shirt; Chris Berman hitting horrific shots and then being interviewed for 10 minutes; Clint Eastwood in the booth staring off into space without anything to say while Nantz and Faldo attempt to interview him; Alfonso Ribeiro doing the Carlton dance; Joe CEO with the swing of a 30 handicap but Nantz telling us he's a "5"; Ray Romano doing nothing particularly funny or interesting; Bill Belichick off another Superbowl win hacking it out of the bunker while we're told he's a 15 handicap even though he hasn't played in 9 months; endless clips of the "human chain" from the tournament 30 years or whatever ago; Nantz laying it on thick about the beauty of Pebble the entire weekend while McCord ribs Nantz about how great Nantz's house is; Kenny G, etc etc etc.

I really wish that this were just a regular Tour stop; thankfully Sunday they show far less of the celebrities and more of the actual golf.  I'll always tune in a little Friday/Saturday to see the course, but it's only watchable for about an hour.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:08 PM

i hope for the 4 days of Hosung's clean & genuine entertainment.
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:43 PM

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:29 AM

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 05:29 PM, said:

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary.

That's like saying "replace a Ferrari engine with a VW engine and it's pretty ordinary".

exactly

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 03:50 AM

I wouldn't say the inward holes at Pebble are weak, the only two I can think of that don't do it for me are 11 and 12.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:03 AM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.

That's a little silly, come on now.

LOL, move The Old Course to Northern Saskatchewan and almost nobody will think it's worth a crap. Make Augusta National flat and Galileo will feel like his life was useless. Take the famous Farrah Fawcett poster pic in a room that isn't chilly and it's just another pic (okay maybe not).

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:06 AM

View Postflushem, on 05 February 2019 - 10:08 PM, said:

i hope for the 4 days of Hosung's clean & genuine entertainment.

Children rejoicing with glee, flowers will take on a special glow, the sea lions on the beach will harrumph in a tranquil way.

He should be a nice diversion, but I agree with Paige, the swing look relatively normal, the whole follow through thing looks pretty staged and rehearsed and ingrained just to be a little different.

Having said that, vive le difference. ;-)

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:03 AM

View PostHawkeye77, on 06 February 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:

View Postflushem, on 05 February 2019 - 10:08 PM, said:

i hope for the 4 days of Hosung's clean & genuine entertainment.

Children rejoicing with glee, flowers will take on a special glow, the sea lions on the beach will harrumph in a tranquil way.

He should be a nice diversion, but I agree with Paige, the swing look relatively normal, the whole follow through thing looks pretty staged and rehearsed and ingrained just to be a little different.

Having said that, vive le difference. ;-)
Not that I'm by any means an expert, but judging by how absurdly closed to the target his stance is, I'd think he almost HAS to twirl on the follow through to prevent snapping his left leg in half, especially with longer clubs and faster swings. Then once that has happened and he's entirely off balance the whole body English thing may be exaggerated, though maybe not entirely overly so compared to some other players (I once saw Keegan Bradley lean so far over I couldn't beleive he didn't fall over). Guess only he knows for sure.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:10 AM

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View Postsnizzle, on 05 February 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

View PostMattyO1984, on 05 February 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm going for Branden Grace this week. Plays well in burst, low ball flight and the new caddie bump with Wee Man on the bag means he is your winner.

Assuming it's bad weather than certainly Grace should have a good shot.


Grace choked like a 16 year old kid going to his first prom on the last two holes last Sunday.  I didn't see anything that said he can play in the rain.

I'll take Tommy Fleetwood as a mudder this week.
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Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:14 AM

View Postdalehead, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 05 February 2019 - 09:02 AM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 04 February 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

"The coastal holes are obviously breathtaking but many of the inland holes are no different than your average muni."  Ain't that the truth.

Hmmmmm..... that must be the reason why all the magazine raters put it close to the top in the entire world.  And Jack Nicklaus names it as his favorite course in the entire world.

Just like your average muni.

Move Pebble off the Pacific and it's pretty ordinary. Its neighbor, Spyglass, is by far the better course.

That is one man's opinion.  Jack Nicklaus said that playing Pebble made him love golf.  Playing Spyglass made him want to go fishing.

I found Pebble to be a much more enjoyable course to play.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:42 AM

The fantasy league that I'm in allows us to only pick a golfer once during the year, which puts me in tough spot.  I like DJ to win, but I feel like I should keep him for an event later in the year and go with more of an "off" name.  Grace seems like a solid pick, but I was leaning Finau, even with his missed cut last week.  Kind of at a loss of who to pick.  Ugh

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 10:14 AM

No comparison Pebble is the best of the 3. Than to me itís a closer battle between Spyglass and MPCC. I prefer Spyglass and it is also the best of the 3 for watching golf. Looking like only ThursdAy will be free of rain. Last year was a miracle with 4 sunny days.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 10:32 AM

View PostHerkster, on 06 February 2019 - 09:42 AM, said:

The fantasy league that I'm in allows us to only pick a golfer once during the year, which puts me in tough spot.  I like DJ to win, but I feel like I should keep him for an event later in the year and go with more of an "off" name.  Grace seems like a solid pick, but I was leaning Finau, even with his missed cut last week.  Kind of at a loss of who to pick.  Ugh

Jason Day unless you want to save him like DJ. Should be a perfect week to use him though. He always finishes top 10 here and with the wet conditions short game is going to be huge and he is great around the greens.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 10:40 AM

With how wet it is, probably a bomb and gouge guy since the short hitters won't get any rollout. Too many to choose from but DJ did just win so I'll go with him

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 10:52 AM

I have played many great matches at Pebble, Spy, and MPCC...all great courses.  People who think Pebble is ordinary or some holes boring have either only played it on Playstation or shot 100 their first time out.  Same goes for Spy.  You can always tell when a critic of Spy knows nothing on golf; always the same comment - "after the first 4 holes..."  It's like, oh, no ocean view, these holes suck!  Ridiculous.

Even on a great weather day, the greens make Pebble a tough and tricky course to get the right approach and make putts.  Whip up some wind and/or cold air to mess with your yardages and you are in for a pretty tough day.  The pros sometimes make the course look easy when the weather is good because the tour shaves down the fairways and keeps the rough low, so it is a lot of wedges.  No such luck for the US Open.

Since everyone loves the first 4 holes of Spy, let's make sure others know there are other holes.  #5 is a tough par 3, #6 a long par 4 that makes your approach shot quite difficult.  You get a break on #7 if you can keep it straight and should have a good birdie look.  #8 is a target tee shot which rewards a short iron in.  #9 will drive you to the halfway house for a drink if you miss that green.  #10 a great risk/reward hole, same for #11.  #12 a nice par 3.  Ok, I will give you #13 is a bit boring.  #14 another risk/reward par 5.  #15 you think you get a break on a very short par 3, until you club yourself wrong.  #16 one if the toughest par 4's you will find anywhere.  #17 you get a break before you need to gut it out for your last birdie chance on #18.  It's a tough track, I see why most people pooh-pooh it, shooting 95 is no fun.

MPCC is a fantastic set of 36 holes.  The board members really got this right.  Imagine, you had Rees Jones renovate your course, and still, you want it perfect so less than 20 years later you get Fazio to do another renovation.  The Dunes course is spectacular.  And the Shore course, which they use for the tournament is far from a "slouch".

Of course, it should go without saying, the gem of that area is Cypress.  Now that's a spectacular course showing the best an architect can do with coastal land.


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