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#1411 Big Cat 3

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:24 PM

View Postfarmer, on 11 February 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

Man, that FIGJAM meme has been over since the early part of the century.  If CBS and the tournament committee wanted to finish on Sunday, they could have declared the pro-am leader on Saturday night to be the winner of that part of the tournament.  We would have been cheated out of replays of Larry the Cable Guy, but I could live without ever seeing him again.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:25 PM

View PostShilgy, on 11 February 2019 - 07:22 PM, said:

All this arguing from both sides, all are absolutely positive they're right, and we still don't know what the guy shot.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:26 PM

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 11 February 2019 - 06:53 PM, said:

I have no idea if the poor guy was sandbagging or not, but I do know 13 seemed about right based on what I saw of his move.  On the other side of the coin, who here thinks Carlton is a legit 3?

Alfonso Ribeiro ("Carlton" from "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air") is, indeed, somewhere between a 1 and a 3 most of the time. I play in a tournament at Lakeside Golf Club (his home course) every year called The Kelly Cup. Until last year, after a major renovation, tree removal, and rough lowering, legit 4 handicaps would shoot 92 in this tournament, which was set up like a U.S. Open: 3 - 4 inch rough, greens at 12 - 13, and tucked pins on tiny, tiny greens. Miss a green, and if you don't have a pro-level short game, and you're making bogey or double. It was brutal.

Alfonso shot 73(?) a few years back in one of his rounds when the course was easily playing to a rating of 75 or 76. Think he followed that up with an 81 or something, but he can actually score. His move isn't the most text book, but he's a legit low(ish) handicapper. He's currently a 3.8, but has been as low as a 1 if I remember correctly.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:33 PM

I saw Carlton hit a tee shot once and I was very impressed.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:36 PM

View Postlowheel, on 11 February 2019 - 08:27 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 11 February 2019 - 06:57 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 11 February 2019 - 06:53 PM, said:

I have no idea if the poor guy was sandbagging or not, but I do know 13 seemed about right based on what I saw of his move.  On the other side of the coin, who here thinks Carlton is a legit 3?

Who is Carlton?

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:24 PM

View Postjmvargas, on 11 February 2019 - 05:34 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 11 February 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 11 February 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 11 February 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

It's really strange to see so many posters jumping to the sandbagger conclusion with very little info.  Do you not understand how team golf works?

First place: Casey was -16, the team was -34.  So Colleran helped 18 strokes

Second place: Clark was -2, his team was -32.  So Rooney helped 30 strokes

Third place: Teater was -4, his team was -30.  So Smith helped 26 strokes

Fourth place: Schenk was -4, his team was -27.  So Romano helped 24 strokes


So tell me again why you think Colleran is a sandbagger.   Or is my math wrong?
So it must be that Romano has us all faked out with his ineptitude? :)  The player that makes all net pars will never be called a bagger in best ball. The erratic player that makes a couple gross birds, a handful of net birds, and a bunch of bogeys and worse will always be under scrutiny.  A friend of mine one shot 77 while making 7 gross birdies as an 8 handicap. Does that make him a sandbagger?

I play with a guy who is a 13.  He makes way more birds than me, I am a 8.  He hits it 300 yards, I am much shorter.  I might play several rounds without a birdie or a double bogey, he usually makes 2-3 birdies and doubles and "others" a round.


THAT is a guy I would enjoy playing with!!

He is great in a scramble.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:38 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 11 February 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

It's really strange to see so many posters jumping to the sandbagger conclusion with very little info.  Do you not understand how team golf works?

First place: Casey was -16, the team was -34.  So Colleran helped 18 strokes

Second place: Clark was -2, his team was -32.  So Rooney helped 30 strokes

Third place: Teater was -4, his team was -30.  So Smith helped 26 strokes

Fourth place: Schenk was -4, his team was -27.  So Romano helped 24 strokes


So tell me again why you think Colleran is a sandbagger.   Or is my math wrong?

So maybe Joe Don Rooney is the biggest bagger.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:47 PM

I like how he only posted one score in the month of January.  That's what I'd do if I got into the Clambake the end of the first week of February.  Play once in January, you know, to make sure I'm ready.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 04:52 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 11 February 2019 - 10:24 PM, said:

View Postjmvargas, on 11 February 2019 - 05:34 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 11 February 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 11 February 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 11 February 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

It's really strange to see so many posters jumping to the sandbagger conclusion with very little info.  Do you not understand how team golf works?

First place: Casey was -16, the team was -34.  So Colleran helped 18 strokes

Second place: Clark was -2, his team was -32.  So Rooney helped 30 strokes

Third place: Teater was -4, his team was -30.  So Smith helped 26 strokes

Fourth place: Schenk was -4, his team was -27.  So Romano helped 24 strokes


So tell me again why you think Colleran is a sandbagger.   Or is my math wrong?
So it must be that Romano has us all faked out with his ineptitude? :)  The player that makes all net pars will never be called a bagger in best ball. The erratic player that makes a couple gross birds, a handful of net birds, and a bunch of bogeys and worse will always be under scrutiny.  A friend of mine one shot 77 while making 7 gross birdies as an 8 handicap. Does that make him a sandbagger?

I play with a guy who is a 13.  He makes way more birds than me, I am a 8.  He hits it 300 yards, I am much shorter.  I might play several rounds without a birdie or a double bogey, he usually makes 2-3 birdies and doubles and "others" a round.


THAT is a guy I would enjoy playing with!!

He is great in a scramble.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM

View PostBill34, on 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:48 AM

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostBill34, on 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?
He didn't post ten scores in December so no.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:06 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostBill34, on 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?
He didn't post ten scores in December so no.

No he didnít post 10, but he did post six. A nice little omission there. . It would be nice to know if the course really was closed.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:17 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostBill34, on 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?
He didn't post ten scores in December so no.

No he didn't post 10, but he did post six. A nice little omission there. . It would be nice to know if the course really was closed.
The guy that started this "posting" story made his one and only post to say this:
I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.
Why would this guy he plays with need to verify with friends that they were closed and that Colleran posted anyways if he was a member? If he's a member he can't check for himself? Really made no sense but we are all replying as if it was gospel.

Romo hasn't posted a score since last July.  Does that make him a bagger or vanity cap? Very confusing. :(
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:22 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostBill34, on 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?
He didn't post ten scores in December so no.

No he didn't post 10, but he did post six. A nice little omission there. . It would be nice to know if the course really was closed.
The guy that started this "posting" story made his one and only post to say this:
I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.
Why would this guy he plays with need to verify with friends that they were closed and that Colleran posted anyways if he was a member? If he's a member he can't check for himself? Really made no sense but we are all replying as if it was gospel.

Romo hasn't posted a score since last July.  Does that make him a bagger or vanity cap? Very confusing. :(

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:24 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

The guy that started this "posting" story made his one and only post to say this:
I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.
Why would this guy he plays with need to verify with friends that they were closed and that Colleran posted anyways if he was a member? If he's a member he can't check for himself? Really made no sense but we are all replying as if it was gospel.

Romo hasn't posted a score since last July.  Does that make him a bagger or vanity cap? Very confusing. :(

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?
I gotta believe plus caps just play as scratch.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:26 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

The guy that started this "posting" story made his one and only post to say this:
I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.
Why would this guy he plays with need to verify with friends that they were closed and that Colleran posted anyways if he was a member? If he's a member he can't check for himself? Really made no sense but we are all replying as if it was gospel.

Romo hasn't posted a score since last July.  Does that make him a bagger or vanity cap? Very confusing. :(

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?
I gotta believe plus caps just play as scratch.

In our Pro Am (a far, far, far cry from this one); the pluses give back. It must suck to have to make birdie to get a par.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:34 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

The guy that started this "posting" story made his one and only post to say this:
I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.
Why would this guy he plays with need to verify with friends that they were closed and that Colleran posted anyways if he was a member? If he's a member he can't check for himself? Really made no sense but we are all replying as if it was gospel.

Romo hasn't posted a score since last July.  Does that make him a bagger or vanity cap? Very confusing. :(

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?
I gotta believe plus caps just play as scratch.

I would tend to believe the opposite.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:41 PM

There aren't special rules if you're a plus.  Just like a negative player gets strokes you give them up as a plus.  That's part of what's so screwy about net events.  You take a plus 3 and he goes and out shoots a 65, he's medalist on the day and is 4 under his handicap.  He's clearly the best player in the field and put on the best performance, but there's a 23 out there that posts a 90 and takes home the cash.

I have a small group of guys, between 2 and 3 groups, that I usually play with and we've decided to go away from any net component.  We're only playing "gentleman's wagers" bets so we decided that the guys that play better deserve to win more often.  There's just no way for a a net system not to turn into a race to the bottom.  We've got guys as high as 13 and 14 handicaps and they aren't asking for strokes from scratch players, they just go out and try and play better.  We do try and mix the formats up so that it's not just straight stroke play, but nonetheless there's only so "fair" you can make the game without favoring the guy who simply isn't as good.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:44 PM

View PostObee, on 14 February 2019 - 05:34 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

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View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

The guy that started this "posting" story made his one and only post to say this:
I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.
Why would this guy he plays with need to verify with friends that they were closed and that Colleran posted anyways if he was a member? If he's a member he can't check for himself? Really made no sense but we are all replying as if it was gospel.

Romo hasn't posted a score since last July.  Does that make him a bagger or vanity cap? Very confusing. :(

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?
I gotta believe plus caps just play as scratch.

I would tend to believe the opposite.
I would tend to believe you lol! But..a large pro-am I played in in Minnesota for years the plus's played as scratch.  The pros don't give any back so why would the plus am?

Edit-I will go with they play to scratch.
Romo is a +0.4
Finley Ewing IV is a +1.5
Both are listed as 0 cap-there are no plus ams listed.

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Edited by Shilgy, 14 February 2019 - 05:54 PM.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:57 PM

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I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?
He didn't post ten scores in December so no.

No he didn't post 10, but he did post six. A nice little omission there. . It would be nice to know if the course really was closed.

Link?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:59 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?

Plus cappers always give strokes back.  Why would the AT&T be any different?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:02 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

I would tend to believe you lol! But..a large pro-am I played in in Minnesota for years the plus's played as scratch.  The pros don't give any back so why would the plus am?

Edit-I will go with they play to scratch.
Romo is a +0.4
Finley Ewing IV is a +1.5
Both are listed as 0 cap-there are no plus ams listed.

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Why would anybody with a minus handicap play an event where plus cappers played at scratch?   That defeats the whole purpose of handicaps.

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#1434 duffer987

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:03 PM

http://m.ghin.com/HL...SearchResults=0

Those are incredibly consistent scores for a 15.

Edited by duffer987, 14 February 2019 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:09 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

I would tend to believe you lol! But..a large pro-am I played in in Minnesota for years the plus's played as scratch.  The pros don't give any back so why would the plus am?

Edit-I will go with they play to scratch.
Romo is a +0.4
Finley Ewing IV is a +1.5
Both are listed as 0 cap-there are no plus ams listed.

https://www.golfdige...arry-fitzgerald

Why would anybody with a minus handicap play an event where plus cappers played at scratch?   That defeats the whole purpose of handicaps.
It's a pro am team event. Not an individual meet event.  By that logic why would you pay to be on a team with #200 in the world when DJ is on another team? Why should a +1 am give a shot back when the #1 player in the world and about a +9 doesn't give back any?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:11 PM

View Postduffer987, on 14 February 2019 - 10:03 PM, said:

http://m.ghin.com/HL...SearchResults=0

Those are incredibly consistent scores for a 15.
At least he's posting something as opposed to Romo.  I know quite a few older players that are incredibly consistent. They never get into trouble but lack the skills to go low.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:37 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:57 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostBill34, on 13 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I play with a guy who is a member at Southwind. He called his friends after the ATT and they said that Colleran posted 10 home scores in December that were all in the 90's.  Southwind was closed in December.  For what it is worth.

Do you have a link to those facts?
He didn't post ten scores in December so no.

No he didn't post 10, but he did post six. A nice little omission there. . It would be nice to know if the course really was closed.

Link?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:37 PM

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 10:11 PM, said:

View Postduffer987, on 14 February 2019 - 10:03 PM, said:

http://m.ghin.com/HL...SearchResults=0

Those are incredibly consistent scores for a 15.
At least he's posting something as opposed to Romo.  I know quite a few older players that are incredibly consistent. They never get into trouble but lack the skills to go low.
8 of the last 10 within 2 strokes of each other consistent? The two 'outliers' make it 3 & 4 strokes. Me no know math and probabilities, but I could see how someone might think that looks dodgy.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:38 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 February 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 February 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

That’s very true. It’s very possible Romo might be a bagger, seems if you know you’re playing in what is possibly the biggest handicap event in the country you would be posting, unless those scores were going to hurt you. I wonder at rhe AT&T, do plus handicaps have to give shots back?

Plus cappers always give strokes back.  Why would the AT&T be any different?

Well they obviously don’t always. Shilgy just talked about one where they don’t.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:42 PM

View Postduffer987, on 14 February 2019 - 10:37 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 14 February 2019 - 10:11 PM, said:

View Postduffer987, on 14 February 2019 - 10:03 PM, said:

http://m.ghin.com/HL...SearchResults=0

Those are incredibly consistent scores for a 15.
At least he's posting something as opposed to Romo.  I know quite a few older players that are incredibly consistent. They never get into trouble but lack the skills to go low.
8 of the last 10 within 2 strokes of each other consistent? The two 'outliers' make it 3 & 4 strokes. Me no know math and probabilities, but I could see how someone might think that looks dodgy.

Handicap history shows over a year the index fluxuated only .7 of a stroke. I donít know if that is unusual or not, but I know mine always moves two or three strokes throughout the year.

Edited by deadsolid...shank, 14 February 2019 - 10:42 PM.

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