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#61 wobgon

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 08:58 AM

View PostWildwing55, on 03 February 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

I know it's tough taking over for Johnny Miller.  But:

Paul, you are an announcer, not a cheerleader.  The Phoenix is not over yet, but from the beginning, you were pretty much begging for Fowler to win the tournament.  You would hate to see him blow that big a lead, etc, etc, hope he pulls it out, etc.

Get this, and get it good.  Your job is not to root for any player, no matter how popular he is, and no matter how big a lead he has going into the final round.  Your job is to call the action as you see it, from a player's prospective.  You didn't do that today.

Not an easy job, is it?  But learn, and be more objective than you were today, no matter how this one turns out.
Get this and get it good???   :cheesy:


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:04 AM

Miller is critical of players and people complain. Azinger doesn’t want a guy to implode and you guys complain. Some of y’all suck
Enjoy the chase.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:06 AM

I don't know, I liked him. Was glad to hear he came over from Fox so he wasn't wasted on their 4 or 5 USGA broadcasts a year.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:09 AM

I liked Miller and I like Zinger. They don't have to be the same style. Zinger will do well and have his followers. But he will have his haters too....they all do.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:26 AM

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View Postwfrogge1, on 03 February 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

I couldn't stand Johnny Miller and his constant "when I played in 1974" comments myself. Kind of enjoying Zinger today

The main thing I won't miss from Miller is him talking about himself.  I prefer Azinger already.

I only paid half attention to today's show, but Zinger mentioned twice that he had won this tournament. Might have been more, but I caught at least two.
there was .. "when I  .....  "   from  Azinger  at least a half dozen times.

It’s called adding insight from being inside the ropes.  

Everyone here that has announced a golf tournament on national tv please raise your hand.  I think he did well first time.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:33 AM

Azinger will be fine.  He did well on Fox when they were broadcasting the US Open.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:39 AM

I’ve always liked Zinger. He has got great wit and insight.  I’ve been a long time fan and glad he is there.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:48 AM

Toughest part is his voice is a constant reminder that we lost a great one just a little less than 2 years ago.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:58 AM

I really hope they put Azinger and Faldo in the booth together as part of a 3-man team.  I've watched a few rounds where they've been in the booth and they are hilarious together.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 10:02 AM

Very happy Miller retired. That is all.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 10:23 AM

I believe the booth commentators should people of integrity and the winner of at least one major.   I’m sorry but it’s hard to listen to someone of low moral fiber “call golf.”   Didn't hear him talking about the below-listed event as he was patting himself on the back yesterday.

On day two at the 1991 Doral Ryder Open, a TV viewer called in saying Paul Azinger had committed a rules violation the day before.  When taking his stance on the edge of a water hazard, Zinger nudged a small rock, thereby moving a loose impediment in a hazard.  Normally a two-stroke penalty, Azinger signed an incorrect scorecard, earning him a DQ.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 10:30 AM

View Postcardoustie, on 03 February 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

Zinger will improve but he won't "replace" Miller

True...Miller became an icon doing it mostly "his way". But Azinger will challenge or certainly question player decisions, etc.

With such a bizzare happenstance going on with Rickie, I seems like Paul got a little caught up into it from a player perspective.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 11:10 AM

Azinger seemed like a guy that was afraid to say anything offensive or hurt anyones feelings and that isn't going to be possible if he plans to have a successful career in the booth.  It will take time for him to get comfortable and realize as long as he's fair and objective it's okay to be critical.  As they pointed out in the beginning of the broadcast, Zinger has some big shoes to fill.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 11:55 AM

Azinger, Faldo, and Tirico was the best announcing team in the history of golf. This isn't Azinger's first rodeo.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 11:56 AM

View PostKing_Slender, on 04 February 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

I really hope they put Azinger and Faldo in the booth together as part of a 3-man team.  I've watched a few rounds where they've been in the booth and they are hilarious together.

They were beyond awesome together. Unfortunately, they're on different networks.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:11 PM

I did not hear cheerleading. In fact I heard several times they were all awful. If I digress... really don't pay a whole ton of attention to commentary.  

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:31 PM

View PostFerguson, on 04 February 2019 - 10:23 AM, said:

I believe the booth commentators should people of integrity and the winner of at least one major.   I’m sorry but it’s hard to listen to someone of low moral fiber “call golf.”   Didn't hear him talking about the below-listed event as he was patting himself on the back yesterday.

On day two at the 1991 Doral Ryder Open, a TV viewer called in saying Paul Azinger had committed a rules violation the day before.  When taking his stance on the edge of a water hazard, Zinger nudged a small rock, thereby moving a loose impediment in a hazard.  Normally a two-stroke penalty, Azinger signed an incorrect scorecard, earning him a DQ.
Not sure about low moral fiber because a TV viewer call in.

My wife and I had the chance to meet him at the Memorial Tournament in the late 90's. He had already been through his cancer, and my wife was surviving breast cancer, so they both knew chemo well. He was finishing up a practice round, and she simply wanted to say hi  and get his autograph. So we caught him as he was walking up from the 18th, and she asked him to sign her small book she had, then she said 'I'm a survivor too'. He stood and talked with us for 15 minutes, it was like we had known him all our lives. He was so kind, and he wished her well, shook my hand and hers and said 'you're going to be fine'. I'll never forget how nice he was, and how instantly golf took a backseat during that conversation. He has moral fiber. I saw it up close, the concern and encouragement was real.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:51 PM

View Postlawsonman, on 04 February 2019 - 08:31 AM, said:

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View Postbscinstnct, on 03 February 2019 - 05:54 PM, said:

Looks like the top of Don Kings head!

Ok, ok, not bad
Actually think he may catch some flack for that one

in todays ultasensitve SJW world you can take that to the bank.

I thought the Don King thing was funny.

Oh it is buy we have far too many people wanting to be offended in our society.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:52 PM

Should have gambled on Duval.Azinger is limited.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:57 PM

View PostWildwing55, on 03 February 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

I know it's tough taking over for Johnny Miller.  But:

Paul, you are an announcer, not a cheerleader.  The Phoenix is not over yet, but from the beginning, you were pretty much begging for Fowler to win the tournament.  You would hate to see him blow that big a lead, etc, etc, hope he pulls it out, etc.

Get this, and get it good.  Your job is not to root for any player, no matter how popular he is, and no matter how big a lead he has going into the final round.  Your job is to call the action as you see it, from a player's prospective.  You didn't do that today.

Not an easy job, is it?  But learn, and be more objective than you were today, no matter how this one turns out.

bad choice I thought for NBC you have been grooming Duval and Leonard which I believe both especially Justin will be great commentators.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:07 PM

Why does golf have to be commentated by former Tour players?  Networks keep regurgitating the same guys over and over expecting a different outcome.  When I think back to my childhood, I still hear The Masters in Pat Summerall's voice.  Guys like Red Barber, Vin Scully, and Mel Allen never played baseball at the highest levels, yet are revered for the job they did in the booth.  Marv Albert is still the voice I hear when I think of NBA basketball games as a kid.  It doesn't require having played the game at the highest levels to have knowledge of the game and speak intelligently and interestingly about the game.

I would like to see the result of having an Erik Anders Lang, Andy Johnson, Brendan Porath or DJ Piehowski in the booth.  I told my wife last night, Tony Romo would be a welcome change to the CBS golf team.  Not holding my breath waiting for any of this to happen though!

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:19 PM

 Sixcat, on 04 February 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

Why does golf have to be commentated by former Tour players?  Networks keep regurgitating the same guys over and over expecting a different outcome.  When I think back to my childhood, I still hear The Masters in Pat Summerall's voice.  Guys like Red Barber, Vin Scully, and Mel Allen never played baseball at the highest levels, yet are revered for the job they did in the booth.  Marv Albert is still the voice I hear when I think of NBA basketball games as a kid.  It doesn't require having played the game at the highest levels to have knowledge of the game and speak intelligently and interestingly about the game.

I would like to see the result of having an Erik Anders Lang, Andy Johnson, Brendan Porath or DJ Piehowski in the booth.  I told my wife last night, Tony Romo would be a welcome change to the CBS golf team.  Not holding my breath waiting for any of this to happen though!

What makes Tony Romo so effective in his NFL analyst job is that he has tremendous insight into the game, coaching philosophies, reading defenses and sharing what he sees from the defense before the ball is snapped.  I want that same insight from my golf analyst, what are the golfer and caddie discussing, what are the options, what pressure might they been feeling, from an ex-pro level what is a great, good or poor shot.

All sports have gotten more technical and analytical and sports fans seems to want more from the broadcasters than just a running commentary of what we can see with our own eyes and a little unrelated chit chat thrown in.  I remember watching the old Met's games with Ralph Kiner and Bob Murphy in the booth and it was painful.  They bantered back and forth about old unrelated stories of the past and Kiner was often drunk before the end of the game.  I like the direction golf broadcasting is going, but I'm not sure they found the right personalities yet.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:31 PM

 jdl, on 04 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

Toughest part is his voice is a constant reminder that we lost a great one just a little less than 2 years ago.

RIP

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This is probably sacrilege, but to whom are you referring to?

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:33 PM

^What the who?! It is ;)
Bill Paxton - Chet and Hudson in a couple of 80s classics.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:35 PM

Azinger was the safe choice and performed pretty much as expected.  Not the best, but also not the worst.  Personally, I would have preferred someone like Trevor Immelman who has the insight and personality that Azinger lacks.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:37 PM

 new2g0lf, on 04 February 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Sixcat, on 04 February 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

Why does golf have to be commentated by former Tour players?  Networks keep regurgitating the same guys over and over expecting a different outcome.  When I think back to my childhood, I still hear The Masters in Pat Summerall's voice.  Guys like Red Barber, Vin Scully, and Mel Allen never played baseball at the highest levels, yet are revered for the job they did in the booth.  Marv Albert is still the voice I hear when I think of NBA basketball games as a kid.  It doesn't require having played the game at the highest levels to have knowledge of the game and speak intelligently and interestingly about the game.

I would like to see the result of having an Erik Anders Lang, Andy Johnson, Brendan Porath or DJ Piehowski in the booth.  I told my wife last night, Tony Romo would be a welcome change to the CBS golf team.  Not holding my breath waiting for any of this to happen though!

What makes Tony Romo so effective in his NFL analyst job is that he has tremendous insight into the game, coaching philosophies, reading defenses and sharing what he sees from the defense before the ball is snapped.  I want that same insight from my golf analyst, what are the golfer and caddie discussing, what are the options, what pressure might they been feeling, from an ex-pro level what is a great, good or poor shot.

All sports have gotten more technical and analytical and sports fans seems to want more from the broadcasters than just a running commentary of what we can see with our own eyes and a little unrelated chit chat thrown in.  I remember watching the old Met's games with Ralph Kiner and Bob Murphy in the booth and it was painful.  They bantered back and forth about old unrelated stories of the past and Kiner was often drunk before the end of the game.  I like the direction golf broadcasting is going, but I'm not sure they found the right personalities yet.

Verne Lundquist, Ben Wright, Jack Whitaker, Henry Longhurst, Chris Schenkel and Scott Van Pelt have proven to be just as insightful as a former Tour pro.  What makes Tony Romo so effective as an analyst is knowledge and preparation!  He knows the game of golf and would presumably prepare for an analyst role in the same fashion as he would an NFL game.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 01:47 PM

 Sixcat, on 04 February 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

 new2g0lf, on 04 February 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Sixcat, on 04 February 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

Why does golf have to be commentated by former Tour players?  Networks keep regurgitating the same guys over and over expecting a different outcome.  When I think back to my childhood, I still hear The Masters in Pat Summerall's voice.  Guys like Red Barber, Vin Scully, and Mel Allen never played baseball at the highest levels, yet are revered for the job they did in the booth.  Marv Albert is still the voice I hear when I think of NBA basketball games as a kid.  It doesn't require having played the game at the highest levels to have knowledge of the game and speak intelligently and interestingly about the game.

I would like to see the result of having an Erik Anders Lang, Andy Johnson, Brendan Porath or DJ Piehowski in the booth.  I told my wife last night, Tony Romo would be a welcome change to the CBS golf team.  Not holding my breath waiting for any of this to happen though!

What makes Tony Romo so effective in his NFL analyst job is that he has tremendous insight into the game, coaching philosophies, reading defenses and sharing what he sees from the defense before the ball is snapped.  I want that same insight from my golf analyst, what are the golfer and caddie discussing, what are the options, what pressure might they been feeling, from an ex-pro level what is a great, good or poor shot.

All sports have gotten more technical and analytical and sports fans seems to want more from the broadcasters than just a running commentary of what we can see with our own eyes and a little unrelated chit chat thrown in.  I remember watching the old Met's games with Ralph Kiner and Bob Murphy in the booth and it was painful.  They bantered back and forth about old unrelated stories of the past and Kiner was often drunk before the end of the game.  I like the direction golf broadcasting is going, but I'm not sure they found the right personalities yet.

Verne Lundquist, Ben Wright, Jack Whitaker, Henry Longhurst, Chris Schenkel and Scott Van Pelt have proven to be just as insightful as a former Tour pro.  What makes Tony Romo so effective as an analyst is knowledge and preparation!  He knows the game of golf and would presumably prepare for an analyst role in the same fashion as he would an NFL game.
Knowledge he gained as an NFL QB, not a commentator preparing for a game.  Romo has experience and insight on how to read a defense, what to do given the read and the game situation.  A non-pro or coach isn't going to gain that experience and insight during a 3 day prep.  Their preparation involves learning the players numbers and names, meeting with players, watching some film and observing teams practices, none of that replaces real on the field experience.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 02:01 PM

 duffer987, on 04 February 2019 - 01:33 PM, said:

^What the who?! It is ;)
Bill Paxton - Chet and Hudson in a couple of 80s classics.

Ah, ok. I was thinking he was referring to a golf announcer.  Paxton will always be Morgan Earp to me....

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 02:10 PM

Lot of glass houses around here

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 02:20 PM

 new2g0lf, on 04 February 2019 - 01:47 PM, said:

 Sixcat, on 04 February 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

 new2g0lf, on 04 February 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Sixcat, on 04 February 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

Why does golf have to be commentated by former Tour players?  Networks keep regurgitating the same guys over and over expecting a different outcome.  When I think back to my childhood, I still hear The Masters in Pat Summerall's voice.  Guys like Red Barber, Vin Scully, and Mel Allen never played baseball at the highest levels, yet are revered for the job they did in the booth.  Marv Albert is still the voice I hear when I think of NBA basketball games as a kid.  It doesn't require having played the game at the highest levels to have knowledge of the game and speak intelligently and interestingly about the game.

I would like to see the result of having an Erik Anders Lang, Andy Johnson, Brendan Porath or DJ Piehowski in the booth.  I told my wife last night, Tony Romo would be a welcome change to the CBS golf team.  Not holding my breath waiting for any of this to happen though!

What makes Tony Romo so effective in his NFL analyst job is that he has tremendous insight into the game, coaching philosophies, reading defenses and sharing what he sees from the defense before the ball is snapped.  I want that same insight from my golf analyst, what are the golfer and caddie discussing, what are the options, what pressure might they been feeling, from an ex-pro level what is a great, good or poor shot.

All sports have gotten more technical and analytical and sports fans seems to want more from the broadcasters than just a running commentary of what we can see with our own eyes and a little unrelated chit chat thrown in.  I remember watching the old Met's games with Ralph Kiner and Bob Murphy in the booth and it was painful.  They bantered back and forth about old unrelated stories of the past and Kiner was often drunk before the end of the game.  I like the direction golf broadcasting is going, but I'm not sure they found the right personalities yet.

Verne Lundquist, Ben Wright, Jack Whitaker, Henry Longhurst, Chris Schenkel and Scott Van Pelt have proven to be just as insightful as a former Tour pro.  What makes Tony Romo so effective as an analyst is knowledge and preparation!  He knows the game of golf and would presumably prepare for an analyst role in the same fashion as he would an NFL game.
Knowledge he gained as an NFL QB, not a commentator preparing for a game.  Romo has experience and insight on how to read a defense, what to do given the read and the game situation.  A non-pro or coach isn't going to gain that experience and insight during a 3 day prep.  Their preparation involves learning the players numbers and names, meeting with players, watching some film and observing teams practices, none of that replaces real on the field experience.

I completely disagree and so do a lot of others.  There is a thread pertaining to this subject already in existence.  Romo has played golf at a higher level than 99.9% of this board!   Your theory also doesn't explain Longhurst, who was never a golfer but a career soldier in the UK.  It doesn't explain Pat Summerall, who played and commentated NFL football for nearly five decades.  It doesn't explain Ben Wright, Verne Lundquist or Chris Schenkel.

Agree to disagree!


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