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Could Augusta National Have a Local Rule Banning Leaving the Pin In?


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#31 Hawkeye77

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:45 PM

View Postkevcarter, on 03 February 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?

LOL, no and not just because he has a lot of good reasons to support the USGA. USGA is one of the founding partners of Drive, Chip & Putt, both AN and USGA involved in other initiatives over the years.


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:50 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 03 February 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

View Postkevcarter, on 03 February 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?

LOL, no and not just because he has a lot of good reasons to support the USGA. USGA is one of the founding partners of Drive, Chip & Putt, both AN and USGA involved in other initiatives over the years.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 04:16 PM

Augusta are all about preserving the history of the game. Leaving the flag is is as original golf rules as you can get.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 04:34 PM

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 04:53 PM

I hope the bring back the stymie.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 05:33 PM

Well the answer to your question is yes.
So can we shut this thread down please....

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 05:35 PM

View PostOutBackHack, on 03 February 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

Well the answer to your question is yes.
So can we shut this thread down please....
Not correct. The only way they can say they’re going to prohibit leaving the flag in is if they say they’re not going to play by the USGA rules. A local rule CANNOT be made about the flagstick if they’re playing by USGA rules.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 05:53 PM

Absolutely they could

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 06:02 PM

Local cannot supercede a rule of golf.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 06:03 PM

View Postwfrogge1, on 03 February 2019 - 05:53 PM, said:

Absolutely they could

Anyone can make their own changes to the Rules. Then of course, you are not playing Golf. Just a game that resembles it.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 07:02 PM

View PostOutBackHack, on 03 February 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

Well the answer to your question is yes.
So can we shut this thread down please....

Silly me.

The OP's use of the phrase "Local Rule" made me think he was talking about the Masters playing the tournament by the Rules of Golf.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 08:27 PM

Honestly, angc not standing by usga rule changes? aren't most of the usga top execs both now in the past, angc members?

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 08:53 PM

Ill make early prediction no flags .
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 08:56 PM

View Postmjen43, on 03 February 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Sure they can.

No, they can't if they want to play by the rules.  Local rules are defined by the USGA.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 09:15 PM

“In order to ensure that play is conducted in accordance with the Rules of Golf, a Committee must not use a Local Rule to waive or modify the Rules of Golf simply because it might prefer a Rule to be different.”


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 10:03 PM

View Posttyorke1, on 03 February 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

Ill make early prediction no flags .

No flags what ?

And for my 2nd question, if you mean the Masters will NOT allow the players to leave the flagstick in while putting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, got ca$h ??? :)
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 10:33 PM

By all means the Augusta National could impose a local rule for the tournament but, I doubt it will stand out as the one against the U.S.G.A. newly changed rules.
Why, the local rules should have merit for being placed, not just out of disagreement with the sanctioning body.  This will not be the battle ground the club will pick to make a stand.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 10:51 PM

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:22 PM

I couldn't see any serious tournament doing something so drastic. The USGA and R&A would simply remove the tournament from Order of Merits, World Rankings etc, so the tournament could certainly exist and the winner would get a jacket and prize money but it would no longer be a major (the debate on how a tournament is actually a major is another discussion) and therefore become less attractive to players.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:25 PM

View PostMudguard, on 03 February 2019 - 11:22 PM, said:

I couldn't see any serious tournament doing something so drastic. The USGA and R&A would simply remove the tournament from Order of Merits, World Rankings etc, so the tournament could certainly exist and the winner would get a jacket and prize money but it would no longer be a major (the debate on how a tournament is actually a major is another discussion) and therefore become less attractive to players.

I think'ths  Masters can pretty much do whatever they want without ever jeopardizing their status. The USGA ands R &A don’t determine what is a major, and it won’t ever get less attractive to the players.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:36 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

Why would they possibly care?

Because leaving the pin in is a measured advantage.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:38 PM

View PostClub Guru, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.
2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:40 PM

View PostClub Guru, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.
2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.

That's a great point, Augusta could just change to pins with a larger lower portion, one large enough that the ball has no chance of going in the hole if it's left in.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:43 PM

View Postmaamold, on 03 February 2019 - 11:40 PM, said:

View PostClub Guru, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.
2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.

That's a great point, Augusta could just change to pins with a larger lower portion, one large enough that the ball has no chance of going in the hole if it's left in.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:45 PM

View Postmaamold, on 03 February 2019 - 11:36 PM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

Why would they possibly care?

Because leaving the pin in is a measured advantage.
To whom?


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:59 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 03 February 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

View Postmjen43, on 03 February 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Sure they can.

No, they can't if they want to play by the rules.  Local rules are defined by the USGA.

Rules as defined by the USGA. The USGA doesn’t own golf though so i wouldn’t have a problem if they wanted to play by different rules, which is certainly something AN could do.

Edited by mjen43, 04 February 2019 - 12:00 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:06 AM

View PostSNIPERBBB, on 03 February 2019 - 06:03 PM, said:

View Postwfrogge1, on 03 February 2019 - 05:53 PM, said:

Absolutely they could

Anyone can make their own changes to the Rules. Then of course, you are not playing Golf. Just a game that resembles it.

What game is football? Youth, high school, NCAA, NFL, CFL?

What game is basketball? Youth, high school, NCAA, Euro, NBA?

What is baseball? Youth, high school, NCAA, MLB?

All other sports have different rule subsets and I think most would consider it them all to be the same sport. I don’t see why golf has to play by the same rules for every level or event. It would still be golf if AN made some rule improvements, the USGA doesn’t own golf.



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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:40 AM

They could just make the sticks bigger...

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:49 AM

To those saying they can’t do it (or worse, then they’re not playing golf, what a crock), guess what. If they were to announce they were playing it that way, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NONE, players are going to say, “well, then I’m not playing”. And whoever wins it, they’re counting it as major win.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 05:25 AM

And zero players are going to stay away if they continue to use the actual rules of golf.
Thankfully, there is absolutely no chance of Augusta deciding that they will unilaterally change the rules of the game just for their tournament.

Why on earth would they even want to?

Maybe they can use the rules that my old club used to have on the captain’s charity day, using a piece of string and allowing a kick, a throw and a mulligan .....it’s still golf, right?

Edited by Oufcfan, 04 February 2019 - 05:27 AM.


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