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Could Augusta National Have a Local Rule Banning Leaving the Pin In?


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#1 herdman

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:18 PM

We were talking yesterday during out round about this? I wonder what Augusta National thinks of this rule? Could they make a local rule requiring the pin to be removed when putting?


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:20 PM

View Postherdman, on 03 February 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

We were talking yesterday during out round about this? I wonder what Augusta National thinks of this rule? Could they make a local rule requiring the pin to be removed when putting?

Nope. Don't think so.

Edited by nsxguy, 03 February 2019 - 02:21 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:22 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 03 February 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

View Postherdman, on 03 February 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

We were talking yesterday during out round about this? I wonder what Augusta National thinks of this rule? Could they make a local rule requiring the pin to be removed when putting?

Nope. Don't think so.

I don't think so either. I bet they are not happy about it. There are clear advantages to it. I witnessed it twice yesterday. Saved a guy a par and a birdie.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:22 PM

I really hope so, ANGC should step up against this mess.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:22 PM

Sure they can.


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:29 PM

Why can't they? Isn't it an independent tournament? Or has that changed. I thought it wasn't an "official" tour event
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:30 PM

I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters.  Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end.  I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:32 PM

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 03 February 2019 - 02:30 PM, said:

I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters.  Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end.  I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.

Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM

Why would they possibly care?
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:34 PM

View Postimakaveli, on 03 February 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 03 February 2019 - 02:30 PM, said:

I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters.  Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end.  I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.

Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:36 PM

Sure they could, but I doubt they will.  Augusta has been softening up over the past many years and I can't see them caring too much for a local rule.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:37 PM

I thought the PGA Tour would have made it a rule for all tournaments. As it is, there's nothing they can do about it.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:42 PM

Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:43 PM

View Postimakaveli, on 03 February 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 03 February 2019 - 02:30 PM, said:

I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters.  Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end.  I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.

Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...

It's the R&A's rule too.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM

View PostGolfnutgalen, on 03 February 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

I thought the PGA Tour would have made it a rule for all tournaments. As it is, there's nothing they can do about it.

The PGA Tour could go back to the old rule if they wanted to tomorrow.

They won't.


From Mr. Ridley's public comments, it seems The Masters will allow the pin to stay in this year.

swing is irrelevant, score is everything

just say NO.... to practice swings

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM

Augusta National could start making them throw golf disks and ride a bike 100 miles if they wanted to. But I doubt they will do anything. They have a drive, pitch and putt to concentrate on.

Edited by BrianMcG, 03 February 2019 - 02:46 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM

1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.
2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.

Edited by Club Guru, 03 February 2019 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

Why would they possibly care?
Trying to figure this out too.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:49 PM

Cliff Roberts probably would have, but heís been dead for almost 40 years.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:51 PM

Of course they could but I don't think they will.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:04 PM

View PostMaximilian, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

Why would they possibly care?
Trying to figure this out too.

Somebody clanks one in coming down the stretch or the 18th hole to win the Masters.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:08 PM

View Postherdman, on 03 February 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

View PostMaximilian, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

Why would they possibly care?
Trying to figure this out too.

Somebody clanks one in coming down the stretch or the 18th hole to win the Masters.

Above the hole on 9 from any distance at all and the flag is left in possibly even used as a backstop.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:24 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 03 February 2019 - 02:43 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 03 February 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 03 February 2019 - 02:30 PM, said:

I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters.  Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end.  I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.

Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...

It's the R&A's rule too.

You should read my post again...

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:26 PM

View PostOldTomMorris, on 03 February 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

View Postherdman, on 03 February 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

View PostMaximilian, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 03 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

Why would they possibly care?
Trying to figure this out too.

Somebody clanks one in coming down the stretch or the 18th hole to win the Masters.

Above the hole on 9 from any distance at all and the flag is left in possibly even used as a backstop.

You are right, it will be beneficial to keep the flag in on some putts. Still donít know why that matters if itís the same for everyone? Or more particularly why the folks at Augusta would care?

What I do hate is how good approach shots can be severely punished by hitting the flag. Should substitute flags for lazer beams, but guess thatís hoping for too much. :-)

And for what itís worth, I havenít removed the flag once since New Years. Best rules change ever!

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:27 PM

View Postkevcarter, on 03 February 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?

Right.  Besides Fred Ridley, there are probably a few other USGA guys, or ex-USGA guys who are members at ANGC.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:30 PM

View Postgvogel, on 03 February 2019 - 03:27 PM, said:

View Postkevcarter, on 03 February 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?

Right.  Besides Fred Ridley, there are probably a few other USGA guys, or ex-USGA guys who are members at ANGC.

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:33 PM

With the number of current and former USGA guys that are members, to think the USGA does t hold influence seems a bit too hopeful

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:35 PM

View PostClub Guru, on 03 February 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.
2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.

Augusta is about tv

Less clutter of guys standing on green blocking tv and the patrons is a benefit of the rule

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:35 PM

View PostMaximilian, on 03 February 2019 - 03:26 PM, said:

why the folks at Augusta would care?

Some people believe in certain circumstances being able to leave the pin in will eliminate the need for skill. They might agree with this idea or simply they might not like the optics of the flag in.

I think its highly unlikely that they do anything about the rule.
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:43 PM

View PostOldTomMorris, on 03 February 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

View PostMaximilian, on 03 February 2019 - 03:26 PM, said:

why the folks at Augusta would care?
They might agree with this idea or simply they might not like the optics of the flag in.
I think they would love the optics of having their yellow flag in the center of the picture of the winning putt! :-)


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