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#1 tiger1873

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:05 AM

I am seeing some juniors playing Regular Amateur Events. Anyone can enter these events that put on by various golf associations. Is there any advantage to playing these events?   I was also wondering are caddies allowed at these events?

I see so many junior opportunities it is hard to believe that it makes sense to play in that many of these events.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:30 AM

Doesn’t make sense at 10, but makes plenty of sense at 14/15.  College coaches look at that on the resume more than they do the junior events.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:52 AM

For players who are going to play in college, it is the next step on the journey. Many of the Am events are primarily populated by college players, so it is an opportunity to begin competing against the next level. Additional benefits are that Amateur events may be ranked higher for WAGR and Scratch Players purposes, so there is a chance to improve in those rankings. Caddies are often allowed.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:57 AM

Once you near high school age, it becomes more common.

There are a few benefits. For instance, showing coaches results for the resume. If you play in the more important ones, you get to be around D1 golfers and see how they conduct themselves.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 09:00 AM

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

I am seeing some juniors playing Regular Amateur Events. Anyone can enter these events that put on by various golf associations. Is there any advantage to playing these events?   I was also wondering are caddies allowed at these events?

I see so many junior opportunities it is hard to believe that it makes sense to play in that many of these events.

Examples?

Events like these

https://www.wagr.com/womens-events

Like Heavy said I don't see why you would play these at younger ages.  Makes no sense to me. I can see at older ages playing especially if you think you're good enough to turn pro.

Edited by tiger1873, 17 January 2019 - 09:01 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 10:32 AM

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

I am seeing some juniors playing Regular Amateur Events. Anyone can enter these events that put on by various golf associations. Is there any advantage to playing these events?   I was also wondering are caddies allowed at these events?

I see so many junior opportunities it is hard to believe that it makes sense to play in that many of these events.

Examples?

Events like these

https://www.wagr.com/womens-events

Like Heavy said I don't see why you would play these at younger ages.  Makes no sense to me. I can see at older ages playing especially if you think you're good enough to turn pro.

Has nothing to do with turning Pro either.  Colleges are going to look at WAGR rankings as well.  They want kids playing in fields with college players to see how they fair against them  Starting at 14 my daughter always played in US Women's Open Qualifying, USGA Women's AM qualifying, FSGA Women's Stroke Play Amateur, FSGA Women's Championship.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 08:48 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 January 2019 - 10:32 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

I am seeing some juniors playing Regular Amateur Events. Anyone can enter these events that put on by various golf associations. Is there any advantage to playing these events?   I was also wondering are caddies allowed at these events?

I see so many junior opportunities it is hard to believe that it makes sense to play in that many of these events.

Examples?

Events like these

https://www.wagr.com/womens-events

Like Heavy said I don't see why you would play these at younger ages.  Makes no sense to me. I can see at older ages playing especially if you think you're good enough to turn pro.

Has nothing to do with turning Pro either.  Colleges are going to look at WAGR rankings as well.  They want kids playing in fields with college players to see how they fair against them  Starting at 14 my daughter always played in US Women's Open Qualifying, USGA Women's AM qualifying, FSGA Women's Stroke Play Amateur, FSGA Women's Championship.

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#8 heavy_hitter

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 09:50 AM

View PostTripleBogeysrbetter, on 18 January 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 January 2019 - 10:32 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 17 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

I am seeing some juniors playing Regular Amateur Events. Anyone can enter these events that put on by various golf associations. Is there any advantage to playing these events?   I was also wondering are caddies allowed at these events?

I see so many junior opportunities it is hard to believe that it makes sense to play in that many of these events.

Examples?

Events like these

https://www.wagr.com/womens-events

Like Heavy said I don't see why you would play these at younger ages.  Makes no sense to me. I can see at older ages playing especially if you think you're good enough to turn pro.

Has nothing to do with turning Pro either.  Colleges are going to look at WAGR rankings as well.  They want kids playing in fields with college players to see how they fair against them  Starting at 14 my daughter always played in US Women's Open Qualifying, USGA Women's AM qualifying, FSGA Women's Stroke Play Amateur, FSGA Women's Championship.

Any recommendations on the number of WAGR events in one season?

It is honestly going to depend on how good they are.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 11:20 AM

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It is honestly going to depend on how good they are.

Makes sense.  I'm thinking three as all three are local and within a 15 minute drive.  Would be his first 54 hole events.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:03 PM

View PostTripleBogeysrbetter, on 18 January 2019 - 11:20 AM, said:

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It is honestly going to depend on how good they are.

Makes sense.  I'm thinking three as all three are local and within a 15 minute drive.  Would be his first 54 hole events.

Depends on your goal/purpose in playing them. Iím assuming he doesnít have a WAGR ranking?  If thatís the case then the number isnít terribly relevant.

An event being WAGR ranked doesnít, in and of itself, mean much. The only criteria for an event to be WAGR is that it be 54 holes and be ďhigh levelĒ. Also canít include younger age divisions of junior events.

Hundreds of junior events are WAGR rated events. Many WAGR rated events donít even require that you necessarily be that good in order to participate. For example, the MS State Junior is WAGR and anyone (age appropriate) can sign up.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:27 PM

I thought I read that Akshay Bhatia was trying to qualify for US Junior Am at age 10.  Thatís crazy.  He must have had serious game as a 10-11 year-old.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 03:55 PM

View Postyellowlover519, on 14 February 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I thought I read that Akshay Bhatia was trying to qualify for US Junior Am at age 10.  That's crazy.  He must have had serious game as a 10-11 year-old.
I do not know whether he was trying to qualify.   I do know he played US Kids Worlds and his scores and ranking are below.
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Age 11   - ranked 14  3 Round score of 217
Age 12  -  ranked  11  3 round score of 223

He was playing really good golf but slight above par golf at this age.

Will only add that you needed a 4.4 handicap (in 2019) to try and qualify for the Jr AM.  I do not know how a 10-11 yr old get a legit handicap.

Edited by kcap, 14 February 2019 - 03:59 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:04 PM

View Postkcap, on 14 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postyellowlover519, on 14 February 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I thought I read that Akshay Bhatia was trying to qualify for US Junior Am at age 10.  That's crazy.  He must have had serious game as a 10-11 year-old.
I do not know whether he was trying to qualify.   I do know he played US Kids Worlds and his scores and ranking are below.
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Age 10   - ranked 17  3 Round Score 223
Age 11   - ranked 14  3 Round score of 217
Age 12  -  ranked  11  3 round score of 223

He was playing really good golf but slight above par golf at this age.

Will only add that you needed a 4.4 handicap (in 2019) to try and qualify for the Jr AM.  I do not know how a 10-11 yr old get a legit handicap.

My son has had a legit handicap since he was 10.  Our men's club has a certain number of free juniors they can sign up each year and since I was on the board for five years he ended up with a GHIN number.  He usually only logs tournament rounds though since days on course are usually practice days with multiple shots, etc.  Which reminds me that he needs to log a few of his last couple tournament rounds.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:19 PM

View Postleezer99, on 14 February 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

View Postkcap, on 14 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postyellowlover519, on 14 February 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I thought I read that Akshay Bhatia was trying to qualify for US Junior Am at age 10.  That's crazy.  He must have had serious game as a 10-11 year-old.
I do not know whether he was trying to qualify.   I do know he played US Kids Worlds and his scores and ranking are below.
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Age 10   - ranked 17  3 Round Score 223
Age 11   - ranked 14  3 Round score of 217
Age 12  -  ranked  11  3 round score of 223

He was playing really good golf but slight above par golf at this age.

Will only add that you needed a 4.4 handicap (in 2019) to try and qualify for the Jr AM.  I do not know how a 10-11 yr old get a legit handicap.

My son has had a legit handicap since he was 10.  Our men's club has a certain number of free juniors they can sign up each year and since I was on the board for five years he ended up with a GHIN number.  He usually only logs tournament rounds though since days on course are usually practice days with multiple shots, etc.  Which reminds me that he needs to log a few of his last couple tournament rounds.
My son has GHIN since he was 8 -- that is very easy to get and we enter scores.  I had said legit handicap in my earlier post  The difficulty for young kids is that the slope and ratings are not accurate as the course setup could be different or tournaments.  They might play some from the ladies and some from the white.  A legit slope/rating handicap will need to account for that.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:49 PM

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:57 PM

View Postkcap, on 14 February 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 14 February 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

View Postkcap, on 14 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postyellowlover519, on 14 February 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I thought I read that Akshay Bhatia was trying to qualify for US Junior Am at age 10.  That's crazy.  He must have had serious game as a 10-11 year-old.
I do not know whether he was trying to qualify.   I do know he played US Kids Worlds and his scores and ranking are below.
.
Age 10   - ranked 17  3 Round Score 223
Age 11   - ranked 14  3 Round score of 217
Age 12  -  ranked  11  3 round score of 223

He was playing really good golf but slight above par golf at this age.

Will only add that you needed a 4.4 handicap (in 2019) to try and qualify for the Jr AM.  I do not know how a 10-11 yr old get a legit handicap.

My son has had a legit handicap since he was 10.  Our men's club has a certain number of free juniors they can sign up each year and since I was on the board for five years he ended up with a GHIN number.  He usually only logs tournament rounds though since days on course are usually practice days with multiple shots, etc.  Which reminds me that he needs to log a few of his last couple tournament rounds.
My son has GHIN since he was 8 -- that is very easy to get and we enter scores.  I had said legit handicap in my earlier post  The difficulty for young kids is that the slope and ratings are not accurate as the course setup could be different or tournaments.  They might play some from the ladies and some from the white.  A legit slope/rating handicap will need to account for that.

Every tournament we play has specific slope and rating.  It does require you to enter it manually but can be done.

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 07:40 PM

View Postkcap, on 14 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postyellowlover519, on 14 February 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I thought I read that Akshay Bhatia was trying to qualify for US Junior Am at age 10.  That's crazy.  He must have had serious game as a 10-11 year-old.
I do not know whether he was trying to qualify.   I do know he played US Kids Worlds and his scores and ranking are below.
.
Age 10   - ranked 17  3 Round Score 223
Age 11   - ranked 14  3 Round score of 217
Age 12  -  ranked  11  3 round score of 223

He was playing really good golf but slight above par golf at this age.

Will only add that you needed a 4.4 handicap (in 2019) to try and qualify for the Jr AM.  I do not know how a 10-11 yr old get a legit handicap.

Play from forward tees.  My kid was playing 5800 + at 10.

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