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#1 bkirkley09

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:43 PM

I picked up the Srixon z585s with the stock 105 shafts and while the feel is amazing I cannot get the ball flight down. It is so high that it is costing me a lot of distance as my shots are getting a bit spinny and just flying straight up in the air. Are theses shafts known for a high ball flight? I am trying to found out some information and I see that they have a soft tip and late action may cause high flight, but I cannot even control it with what I feel are smooth swings. It is pretty frustrating. Just looking for information about how these shafts load etc. so that I can try to figure out how to control my ball flight. Thanks!

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:08 PM

They are high spinning as well; which is typical when you approach the 100 gram class.

You may want to try the 120 if not, the 125 in a stiff.
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:14 PM

View PostChuck905, on 11 January 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

They are high spinning as well; which is typical when you approach the 100 gram class.

You may want to try the 120 if not, the 125 in a stiff.

I am just confused as when I look at Nippon website it says it has the same flight characteristics as the Tour 125 which is mid spin and mid flight. I had previously played Project X 6.5 but felt that they were too board so wanted to try a different shaft. I know this was an extreme switch but I never thought ball flight would be this much of a problem.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:33 PM

Did you pick up the Z585 irons to test them on launch monitor, or did you buy them?

The NS Pro Modus shaft family has a complex matrix to suggest what each shaft will deliver.The Modus 105 shafts are for medium tempo swingers, and offer medium flight and low spin.

Check out the NS Pro shaft site for other shafts in the Modus family: https://nipponshaft....brand_modus.php

You need a shaft that will stand up to your full tempo swing. If it's too light, you could start having left misses - assuming you're right-handed - by allowing the arms to take over.

True Temper and Project X have some shafts with firmer tips that would launch lower. And, PX now offers thr LZ line that is a bit friendlier than the originals.

Also, have someone check out your set-up and release. If you have a really early release, you may be flipping your irons rather than making solid, a slightly downward contact. Flipping can lead to lost distance and a high, spinny shot.

Again, are you testing the Z585s or do you already own them?

Edited by ChipNRun, 11 January 2019 - 11:37 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:43 PM

I have played the Modus 120 for 3 years and tried the 105 and found them lower launching.  

The 105 as others have said is a Mid Launch - Low Spin shaft.   I think the Z585 is built for higher launch even though the static lofts are strong.  I would get on Trackman
GC Quad , Flight Scope and check your Dynamic loft.   There is a chance your delivering added loft at impact causing higher ball flights and distance loss.

Are you hitting balls outside or basing this on SkyTrak?      Dynamic Loft # is a huge indicator

Edited by Tzoid, 11 January 2019 - 11:48 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:08 AM

View PostChipNRun, on 11 January 2019 - 11:33 PM, said:

Did you pick up the Z585 irons to test them on launch monitor, or did you buy them?

The NS Pro Modus shaft family has a complex matrix to suggest what each shaft will deliver.The Modus 105 shafts are for medium tempo swingers, and offer medium flight and low spin.

Check out the NS Pro shaft site for other shafts in the Modus family: https://nipponshaft....brand_modus.php

You need a shaft that will stand up to your full tempo swing. If it's too light, you could start having left misses - assuming you're right-handed - by allowing the arms to take over.

True Temper and Project X have some shafts with firmer tips that would launch lower. And, PX now offers thr LZ line that is a bit friendlier than the originals.

Also, have someone check out your set-up and release. If you have a really early release, you may be flipping your irons rather than making solid, a slightly downward contact. Flipping can lead to lost distance and a high, spinny shot.

Again, are you testing the Z585s or do you already own them?

I own them and have hit quite a few shots. I am using the optimal shot analyzer for Skytrak and I am in the red for both launch and descent angle. My launch is never below 33* and my descent angle is normally 50+*.

Edited by bkirkley09, 12 January 2019 - 01:13 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:12 AM

View PostTzoid, on 11 January 2019 - 11:43 PM, said:

I have played the Modus 120 for 3 years and tried the 105 and found them lower launching.  

The 105 as others have said is a Mid Launch - Low Spin shaft.   I think the Z585 is built for higher launch even though the static lofts are strong.  I would get on Trackman
GC Quad , Flight Scope and check your Dynamic loft.   There is a chance your delivering added loft at impact causing higher ball flights and distance loss.

Are you hitting balls outside or basing this on SkyTrak?   Dynamic Loft # is a huge indicator

I am assuming that is what I am doing but I have tried flighting the ball down (granted I am not a great golfer) and nothing seems to make a difference. I was hoping someone here would know some drills or tests that I could use to get the flight under control as even if it is the shaft I should be able to at least control the flight if I manipulated my swing. I am trying to get a better more consistent and manageable flight and right now when my 9 iron goes 40yds in the air it makes it difficult.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:33 AM

What flex are the 105’s?
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 04:29 AM

View Postnoodle3872, on 12 January 2019 - 01:33 AM, said:

What flex are the 105s?

Stiff flex

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:22 AM

I play the Modus 105 x flex in my i200s.  I'm a high ball hitter with practically any shaft and I dont find these to produce an unusually high flight. I play a lot in the wind and have no problems flighting the ball down when needed. Without a doubt these are the best feeling shafts I've ever used.

OP, you might need to jump up to x flex

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:29 AM

If you like the 105 weight, sounds like DG105 stiff would be a better fit? ;)
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:40 AM

Most stronger players are going to hit a light weight shaft higher. Since you come from px 6.5 Id have to guess you arent a slower guy.  Hows the dispersion ? Do you feel like you can step on it and hit them straight ? Or are you babying them around trying to hit them straight.?

In my experience, if you have to ask , its all ready too late.  Sell or re shaft em before you lose your swing trying to adapt it to those shafts.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:49 AM

Always been a high ball hitter. Play the 105s. They haven't really been worse for me BUT I do have a tendency to be a bit flippy sometimes and I do feel like the 105s can exaggerate that, whether its because they are lighter and I just flip more aggressively or sthg I don't know, however when I do get flippy these things can go crazy high (and if I get handsy they can go left in a hurry, but thats another story). Of course, any shaft can go higher if im flippy, but I guess the way of saying it is when I am, these things go higher than the a flipped KBS Tour.  But when I'm not, when I have more rotated through swing, the 105s are actually lower than the KBS for me.  I've thought about going to the 105x, but I hate changing sthg that works well most of the time (Plus, I've stayed in these shafts because they've essentially eliminated wrist pain I had in KBS, PX, etc.).  Its just on some bad habit days I have a problem.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 10:06 AM

Something seems off, a launch angle of 33 for a mid iron just looks like a miss-read. Is there a chance you are hitting the mat heavy thus contacting the iron super high on the face?

There isn’t a shaft change in the world than will drop launch by ~13 degrees.

There is nothing inherently super high launch about the Modus 105, sure there are stronger profiles but you need to establish if you really have a severe miss fit or a problem with your SkyTrack numbers. Borrow a friends iron with a ‘low launch’ shaft and compare the SkyTrack numbers.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 10:30 AM

Not sure if this will work for you but it is a cheap experiment/swing drill.  When addressing the ball, focus your eyes in front (target side) of the ball (up to maybe an inch in front of the ball). This drill helps me to swing down on the ball when I'm getting too flippy..

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:19 PM

View PostDaveMac, on 12 January 2019 - 10:06 AM, said:

Something seems off, a launch angle of 33 for a mid iron just looks like a miss-read. Is there a chance you are hitting the mat heavy thus contacting the iron super high on the face?

There isnt a shaft change in the world than will drop launch by ~13 degrees.

There is nothing inherently super high launch about the Modus 105, sure there are stronger profiles but you need to establish if you really have a severe miss fit or a problem with your SkyTrack numbers. Borrow a friends iron with a low launch shaft and compare the SkyTrack numbers.

I have always had high ball flight even with the px6.5. So I thought if I had a smoother more controlled swing I would lower that a bit. Elk its really hard to gauge how hard/smooth I am swinging. My distances are all over the place right now but my launches have all been consistently high unless I significantly alter the club head to hit more of a stinger type shot.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:21 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 12 January 2019 - 08:40 AM, said:

Most stronger players are going to hit a light weight shaft higher. Since you come from px 6.5 Id have to guess you arent a slower guy.  Hows the dispersion ? Do you feel like you can step on it and hit them straight ? Or are you babying them around trying to hit them straight.?

In my experience, if you have to ask , its all ready too late.  Sell or re shaft em before you lose your swing trying to adapt it to those shafts.

Yea I mean I love the feel as I get so much more feedback on Mishima whereas the px6.5 felt like hitting a board every time no matter where the impact was. Granted I also went from cast AP1s to the z585s. I tend to agree I am just having trouble feeling/timing the kick of these shafts and it leads to some bombs but some short crazy high spiny shots as well. They might be going up on BST shortly.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:34 PM

Modus 105 is both medium soft overall and in the tip, two things that lead to fairly high launch.  As always, people that load the shaft heavily will notice more so than people that don't.  

Titleist has some good shaft data that's worth checking out...

Keep in mind that butt frequency is the gauge for overall stiffness and 20 cpm is about one flex rating.  Regarding tip stiffness, you need to see 30+ cpm (or maybe more?) between shafts in order to affect much of a difference in launch.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:43 PM

View Postbkirkley09, on 11 January 2019 - 11:14 PM, said:

View PostChuck905, on 11 January 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

They are high spinning as well; which is typical when you approach the 100 gram class.

You may want to try the 120 if not, the 125 in a stiff.

I am just confused as when I look at Nippon website it says it has the same flight characteristics as the Tour 125 which is mid spin and mid flight. I had previously played Project X 6.5 but felt that they were too board so wanted to try a different shaft. I know this was an extreme switch but I never thought ball flight would be this much of a problem.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 05:10 PM

View PostTzoid, on 11 January 2019 - 11:43 PM, said:

I have played the Modus 120 for 3 years and tried the 105 and found them lower launching.  

            The 105 as others have said is a Mid Launch - Low Spin shaft.   I think the Z585 is built for higher launch even though the static lofts are strong.  I would get on Trackman
GC Quad , Flight Scope and check your Dynamic loft.   There is a chance your delivering added loft at impact causing higher ball flights and distance loss.

Are you hitting balls outside or basing this on SkyTrak?      Dynamic Loft # is a huge indicator

Exactly my experience as well.  I launched the Modus 120x shafts quite a bit higher than the 105x.  For me the modus 105 is mid launch, mid spin...

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 05:57 PM

The Modus 105's are an excellent shaft and I have no issue with flighting them low or high when needed, think the op needs to look at the clubhead and if needed, how he releases into the ball.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 07:06 PM

So I have worked on my swing, release and follow through all day today and have finally got the launch in a much better zone. It seems that most of my weight was not being transferred to my front leg which caused me to add too much loft to the club. So I worked on stepping through the zone after impact and it gave me a great flight. I cant do it standing still yet but I believe this has to do with my ball impact and not the shaft.

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