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You've seen it, I've seen it: dropping at "knee height." WHY??

new rules dropping the ball knee height

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#61 davep043

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:05 PM

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

View Postmarlowe70, on 07 January 2019 - 02:24 PM, said:

Common sense would dictate to stand up straight and bend at the waist to drop the ball with no knee bend. Simple as that.
No Player ever had the idea to bend the knees with the old rule because you get closer to the ground. Now all of a sudden Bryson wants to do so.

Serious question: I have seen an instructional video about the new rules in 2019. For an explanation about the new dropping rule someone dropped accidentally from shoulder height. He was allowed to pick up the ball and drop again from knee height. No penalty.
Isn`t it allowed to drop from above knee height?

It is not.
And concerning the video, if you drop incorrectly, you are allowed to do it again, correctly.  You can take as many tries as it takes you to figure out how to drop if correctly.  That is different from making a legal drop, and the ball rolling out of the relief zone.  If you do that twice, you then must place it where it hit the ground on the second drop.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:24 PM

Is there a minimal shin/foot angle allowed?

I mean seriously, Bryson made his point by supporting himself with a club and moving his knee closer to the ground by leaning  forward.

Should the knee be locked out? Does the shin/thigh need to be a straight line? Should the foot/ shin be a 90*?

Edited by justasgood, 07 January 2019 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player’s body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your “knee height” to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this “ knee height”?

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:43 PM

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is there a minimal shin/foot angle allowed?

I mean seriously, Bryson made his point by supporting himself with a club and moving his knee closer to the ground by leaning  forward.

Should the knee be locked out? Does the shin/thigh need to be a straight line? Should the foot/ shin be a 90*?

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?

You can be in any postition you want, so long as the ball is dropped from knee height

Rule 14 states:  "'Knee height' means the height of the player's knee when in a standing position."
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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:55 PM

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is there a minimal shin/foot angle allowed?

I mean seriously, Bryson made his point by supporting himself with a club and moving his knee closer to the ground by leaning  forward.

Should the knee be locked out? Does the shin/thigh need to be a straight line? Should the foot/ shin be a 90*?

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?

You can be in any postition you want, so long as the ball is dropped from knee height

Rule 14 states:  "'Knee height' means the height of the player's knee when in a standing position."

I gonna do this when I drop

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:13 PM

A better rule imho would be from the knee up, so they could avoid that very awkward move and some seniors injury...
Also, that is how Mugatu would drop...

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:20 PM

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is there a minimal shin/foot angle allowed?

I mean seriously, Bryson made his point by supporting himself with a club and moving his knee closer to the ground by leaning  forward.

Should the knee be locked out? Does the shin/thigh need to be a straight line? Should the foot/ shin be a 90*?

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?

You can be in any postition you want, so long as the ball is dropped from knee height

Rule 14 states:  "'Knee height' means the height of the player's knee when in a standing position."

So Bryson semi squatting and supported by his club should have been penalty?

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:28 PM

Can't wait for discussion about the fact that when the knee is bent, your actually BELOW knee level. :swoon:

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:48 PM

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is there a minimal shin/foot angle allowed?

I mean seriously, Bryson made his point by supporting himself with a club and moving his knee closer to the ground by leaning  forward.

Should the knee be locked out? Does the shin/thigh need to be a straight line? Should the foot/ shin be a 90*?

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?

You can be in any postition you want, so long as the ball is dropped from knee height

Rule 14 states:  "'Knee height' means the height of the player's knee when in a standing position."

So Bryson semi squatting and supported by his club should have been penalty?

The only thing that matters is if he dropped the ball from the height of his knee when he is standing.  Not whether or not he is standing.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:13 PM

Could have all been avoided with a hip drop


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:51 PM

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?
There wouldn't even be a thread if folks would actually read the rules for themselves.  There's a drawing that specifically answers this question.  The height is measured when the player is standing, not when he is squatting of laying down or standing on his head.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:56 PM

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

Is there a minimal shin/foot angle allowed?

I mean seriously, Bryson made his point by supporting himself with a club and moving his knee closer to the ground by leaning  forward.

Should the knee be locked out? Does the shin/thigh need to be a straight line? Should the foot/ shin be a 90*?

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?

You can be in any postition you want, so long as the ball is dropped from knee height

Rule 14 states:  "'Knee height' means the height of the player's knee when in a standing position."

So Bryson semi squatting and supported by his club should have been penalty?

The only thing that matters is if he dropped the ball from the height of his knee when he is standing.  Not whether or not he is standing.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 07:12 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 07 January 2019 - 06:56 PM, said:

Does HD Slo Mo apply?

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It should, the difference is night and day(ngerfield)



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Posted 07 January 2019 - 07:21 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 07 January 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

View Postmarlowe70, on 07 January 2019 - 02:24 PM, said:

Common sense would dictate to stand up straight and bend at the waist to drop the ball with no knee bend. Simple as that.
No Player ever had the idea to bend the knees with the old rule because you get closer to the ground. Now all of a sudden Bryson wants to do so.

Serious question: I have seen an instructional video about the new rules in 2019. For an explanation about the new dropping rule someone dropped accidentally from shoulder height. He was allowed to pick up the ball and drop again from knee height. No penalty.
Isn`t it allowed to drop from above knee height?

It is not.

Drop from above knee height

And they dock ya!



So you should have your proxy drop for you?

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:00 PM

View Postjustasgood, on 07 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

So here is the detail:

How a ball may be dropped is simplified; the only requirement will be that the ball be let go from knee height so that it falls through the air and does not touch any part of the player's body or equipment before it hits the ground.

So with this description, squatting down(as if to line up a putt) will move your "knee height" to about 8-10 inches above the ground . Okay to drop from this " knee height"?

Dude, you are really getting scary,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:05 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 07 January 2019 - 07:21 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 07 January 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostVindog, on 07 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

View Postmarlowe70, on 07 January 2019 - 02:24 PM, said:

Common sense would dictate to stand up straight and bend at the waist to drop the ball with no knee bend. Simple as that.
No Player ever had the idea to bend the knees with the old rule because you get closer to the ground. Now all of a sudden Bryson wants to do so.

Serious question: I have seen an instructional video about the new rules in 2019. For an explanation about the new dropping rule someone dropped accidentally from shoulder height. He was allowed to pick up the ball and drop again from knee height. No penalty.
Isn`t it allowed to drop from above knee height?

It is not.

Drop from above knee height

And they dock ya!



So you should have your proxy drop for you?

Guys on tour should goof on this rule and

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:10 PM

In a recent Rules Seminar I asked; why does it matter how you drop it as long as the ball does not strike you or your equipment and remains within the Relief Area?  No more can it roll up to two club-lengths, it must remain in the relief area (one or two-club-lengths).

The answer I got was there was a disagreement between the R@A and the USGA concerning dropping.  The USGA wanted to place and the R@A wished to drop.  This is the silly result.

Edited by youraway2, 07 January 2019 - 08:10 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:13 PM

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:14 PM

View Postyouraway2, on 07 January 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

In a recent Rules Seminar I asked; why does it matter how you drop it as long as the ball does not strike you or your equipment and remains within the Relief Area?  No more can it roll up to two club-lengths, it must remain in the relief area (one or two-club-lengths).

The answer I got was there was a disagreement between the R@A and the USGA concerning dropping.  The USGA wanted to place and the R@A wished to drop.  This is the silly result.
For real?

If that’s true, then the compromise was worse than either side’s stance IMO.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:27 PM

View PostScotty1140, on 07 January 2019 - 08:14 PM, said:

View Postyouraway2, on 07 January 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

In a recent Rules Seminar I asked; why does it matter how you drop it as long as the ball does not strike you or your equipment and remains within the Relief Area?  No more can it roll up to two club-lengths, it must remain in the relief area (one or two-club-lengths).

The answer I got was there was a disagreement between the R@A and the USGA concerning dropping.  The USGA wanted to place and the R@A wished to drop.  This is the silly result.
For real?

If that's true, then the compromise was worse than either side's stance IMO.
It's true concerning the way my question was answered, I'm not sure if it's true.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:50 PM

View Postyouraway2, on 07 January 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

In a recent Rules Seminar I asked; why does it matter how you drop it as long as the ball does not strike you or your equipment and remains within the Relief Area?  No more can it roll up to two club-lengths, it must remain in the relief area (one or two-club-lengths).

The answer I got was there was a disagreement between the R@A and the USGA concerning dropping.  The USGA wanted to place and the R@A wished to drop.  This is the silly result.

That wasn't really an answer to your question :lol:

Nonetheless, I like drop over place.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 06:23 AM

Only golfers could find difficulty in something as simple as 'drop from knee height'.  This sport truly attracts some strange people.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 06:57 AM

Good thing I only have to drop twice a year or so.  I tried it yesterday and it does invoke quite the physical reaction.  Size 13 foot makes it interesting bending forward to drop. Near impossible to gauge when you are at knee height stretching out a foot from your body forward.    So to the side is the logical choice.  Then you try to side bend to get down there . Just feels more natural since we all dropped from the side before.  But it is a stretch to do it without bending the knee.
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 08:42 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 08 January 2019 - 06:57 AM, said:

Good thing I only have to drop twice a year or so.  I tried it yesterday and it does invoke quite the physical reaction.  Size 13 foot makes it interesting bending forward to drop. Near impossible to gauge when you are at knee height stretching out a foot from your body forward. So to the side is the logical choice.  Then you try to side bend to get down there . Just feels more natural since we all dropped from the side before.  But it is a stretch to do it without bending the knee.

It doesn't have to be that hard.  The human body is remarkable.  With a lean to the side or front your hand is about at knee height in its natural position.

Edited by Vindog, 08 January 2019 - 08:43 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 09:42 AM

Correct drop

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Incorrect drop

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 10:11 AM

I just find it so funny that anyone finds this rule confusing or difficult... and Bryson is just being Bryson as always.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 10:47 AM

View PostDpavs, on 08 January 2019 - 10:11 AM, said:

I just find it so funny that anyone finds this rule confusing or difficult... and Bryson is just being Bryson as always.
This^^^ x1000.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:03 AM

The proper way to drop

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:09 AM

View Postbscinstnct, on 08 January 2019 - 09:42 AM, said:

Correct drop

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Oh my....how will anyone ever manage that?????  So hard...so hard.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 06:43 PM

View PostJoker91, on 08 January 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

The proper way to drop

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run of the mill driver with stock shaft
a couple of outdated hybrids
shovel-ier shovels
wedges from same shovel company
some putter with a dead insert and
a hideous grip

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