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PSA: Ebay automatically collecting Sales Tax on purchases shipped to certain states now


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#31 VNutz

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:39 AM

View Postcane700, on 10 January 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with saving brick and mortar.  It's the government wanting more of your money to waste.

I'm shocked Illinois hasn't done this yet.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:14 AM

View Postcane700, on 10 January 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with saving brick and mortar.  It's the government wanting more of your money to waste.

True. Saving B&M was never a reason for this. But it may well help them as an unintended benefit.

I’ve thought this was needed for a long time. Sales tax is about the most  equitable tax out there, it doesn’t discriminate based on anything. Personally, I like seeing some of society’s “freeloaders” have to contribute something on occasion too.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:31 AM

Sales tax is what it is..BUT I don`t find paying tax on a used item very cool. It`s been taxed once when bought new, how many damn times does a used golf club, or a used car need to be taxed.

Pretty soon Facebook Flea Market, yard sales, flea markets, swap meets, Craigslist are going to become targets as well.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:45 AM

On another tangent along these lines. Pay cash, No trail. every paypal, Apple Pay, or whatever electronic transfer will at some point become a tax point. Keep cash alive!

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:40 PM

View PostVNutz, on 10 January 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

View Postcane700, on 10 January 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with saving brick and mortar.  It's the government wanting more of your money to waste.

I'm shocked Illinois hasn't done this yet.

Same here


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:39 PM

Surprised nobody has mentioned how this will hurt small online businesses the most. Corporations such as Amazon, Walmart, etc can afford the additional compliance cost to correctly charge, collect and remit sales tax to potentially thousands of jurisdictions around the country. The small online businesses can not afford to adhere to the requirements
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:08 AM

View PostStetson, on 10 January 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

Surprised nobody has mentioned how this will hurt small online businesses the most. Corporations such as Amazon, Walmart, etc can afford the additional compliance cost to correctly charge, collect and remit sales tax to potentially thousands of jurisdictions around the country. The small online businesses can not afford to adhere to the requirements
The only real option for on-line small businesses is to operate under a large company with appropriate infrastructure, like ebay or amazon.

It is likely that a independent business will not exceed the lower limit for reporting/paying sales tax at the locations that it ships to. Then again, they all have different limits.  Kind of a nightmare actually.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:25 AM

View Postcxx, on 11 January 2019 - 09:08 AM, said:

View PostStetson, on 10 January 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

Surprised nobody has mentioned how this will hurt small online businesses the most. Corporations such as Amazon, Walmart, etc can afford the additional compliance cost to correctly charge, collect and remit sales tax to potentially thousands of jurisdictions around the country. The small online businesses can not afford to adhere to the requirements
The only real option for on-line small businesses is to operate under a large company with appropriate infrastructure, like ebay or amazon.

It is likely that a independent business will not exceed the lower limit for reporting/paying sales tax at the locations that it ships to. Then again, they all have different limits.  Kind of a nightmare actually.

Yep, nightmare. It is not reasonable for Jane who is selling hand knitted baby bibs to look into the requirements of every location she is shipping to and comply with those municipal and state laws. Thus Jane has to go eBay, Amazon, Etsy etc.

Yes compliance with applicable laws is a burden for traditional business so small business online should adhere to applicable laws. It is just a barrier to entry that will keep some out of the marketplace
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:57 PM

Will this apply to individual PayPal goods/services transactions now? If so, I might consider doing friends/family deals only with trusted members here. And there's always cash deals off Craigslist to consider.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 03:06 PM

Like a lot of guys here have already alluded to, they'll likely just buy less.  I know I will.  The "appearance" of a deal quite often trumps whether it really even is a deal and not having to add things like tax and or shipping is a very effective means of marketing.

See:  Amazon Prime

Regardless, fewer overall sales benefits no one.

Except maybe the the consumer who's now saving more of his expendable income but certainly not the economy.

More/higher taxes benefit no one except the lawmakers who use them to build their brand, establish their power base and "buy" votes with our money.

That's how I see it anyway.


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 03:25 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 10 January 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

I've thought this was needed for a long time. Sales tax is about the most equitable tax out there, it doesn't discriminate based on anything. Personally, I like seeing some of society's "freeloaders" have to contribute something on occasion too.

Actually it's the reverse. A sales tax is more penal depending on your income. All things being equal, if you have someone who earns $400 per week vs someone who earns $1000 per week. Both spend $100 per week on groceries, who spends more on sales tax relative to their income?
NB obviously you'll have different tax rates depending on annual income, but I tend to feel that a sales tax is generally unfair to people on lower incomes.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 05:02 PM

View PostMudguard, on 12 January 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 10 January 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

I've thought this was needed for a long time. Sales tax is about the most equitable tax out there, it doesn't discriminate based on anything. Personally, I like seeing some of society's "freeloaders" have to contribute something on occasion too.

Actually it's the reverse. A sales tax is more penal depending on your income. All things being equal, if you have someone who earns $400 per week vs someone who earns $1000 per week. Both spend $100 per week on groceries, who spends more on sales tax relative to their income?
NB obviously you'll have different tax rates depending on annual income, but I tend to feel that a sales tax is generally unfair to people on lower incomes.

Interesting way to look at it Mudguard. I can see your point of view on it.

I still don’t agree because I still believe since everyone pays the same amount it’s still the fairest. A sales tax doesn’t change because one person makes X amount while another makes Y.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:41 PM

View PostMudguard, on 12 January 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 10 January 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

I've thought this was needed for a long time. Sales tax is about the most equitable tax out there, it doesn't discriminate based on anything. Personally, I like seeing some of society's "freeloaders" have to contribute something on occasion too.

Actually it's the reverse. A sales tax is more penal depending on your income. All things being equal, if you have someone who earns $400 per week vs someone who earns $1000 per week. Both spend $100 per week on groceries, who spends more on sales tax relative to their income?
NB obviously you'll have different tax rates depending on annual income, but I tend to feel that a sales tax is generally unfair to people on lower incomes.

Exactly why many states (and rightfully so) have no tax on food.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 07:15 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 January 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

I still don’t agree because I still believe since everyone pays the same amount it’s still the fairest. A sales tax doesn’t change because one person makes X amount while another makes Y.

It's a little off topic, but it's still penal on the lower income, as a single person earning $50k per year, vs a single person earning $25k per year, still probably needs to spend the same amount on food. Obviously the higher earner may buy nicer cuts of meat or more expensive wine, but fundamentally they still need to spend a minimum per week.
We have it in New Zealand, 15% and it applies to everything, but it's part of the price of the goods or service, so you never see it. There are no exemptions. But as someone mentioned earlier, it seems ludicrous to apply it to used goods, because where would it end?

Also the tax system in the US seems quite difference, the majority of us here don't file tax returns or have much to do with our tax department unless you're self employed or have big swings in your income during the year (leave a job, have your holiday paid etc).

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 07:29 PM

Forget the wall and just do the same flat tax everywhere. Make it simple.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:34 PM

Why do we want to save brick and mortar. Just frees up more land.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 10:14 PM

View PostMudguard, on 12 January 2019 - 07:15 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 January 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

I still don’t agree because I still believe since everyone pays the same amount it’s still the fairest. A sales tax doesn’t change because one person makes X amount while another makes Y.

It's a little off topic, but it's still penal on the lower income, as a single person earning $50k per year, vs a single person earning $25k per year, still probably needs to spend the same amount on food. Obviously the higher earner may buy nicer cuts of meat or more expensive wine, but fundamentally they still need to spend a minimum per week.
We have it in New Zealand, 15% and it applies to everything, but it's part of the price of the goods or service, so you never see it. There are no exemptions. But as someone mentioned earlier, it seems ludicrous to apply it to used goods, because where would it end?

Also the tax system in the US seems quite difference, the majority of us here don't file tax returns or have much to do with our tax department unless you're self employed or have big swings in your income during the year (leave a job, have your holiday paid etc).

As someone mentioned earlier, food is not taxed. I can’t say for certain all 50states are exactly that way, but I do think the majority are.
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Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:43 AM

States that tax food, and rate:
Alabama, Arkansas (3%), Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois (1%), Kansas, Mississippi, Missouri (1.225%), Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee (5.5%), Utah (1.75%), Virginia (1.5% + 1% local option tax), and West Virginia (5%)
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Posted 13 January 2019 - 11:32 AM

I don't mind this too much, granted my hoing ways have been on a decline the last few years. While I agree a sales tax impacts different income levels differently, it does not come close to the difference that get levied in income taxes. The federal gov't will take over 1/4 of what my wife and I earn (then the state takes their cut) and I do not get a refund. Somebody that has a small income and has children, will essentially pay no income taxes and will actually get more money back than they put in after claiming their deductions on their return.

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