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CPO stinks, and I'm not very bright


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#31 jholz

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:08 AM

View Postradiman, on 09 January 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

View Postbrew4eagle, on 09 January 2019 - 05:32 PM, said:

View Postjholz, on 09 January 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

If you really want "Like New" then you should probably just buy new.
Huh?  If you want new, you buy new.  If you want (and buy) "like new" you should receive like new.  It's pretty simple really, but CPO has a tough time figuring it out.  Regardless, I've learned my lesson (finally) and will not waste my time again dealing with this inept company.

I agree with most of what you said. Like new shouldn't have scratches all over, or a worn grip. If they can't deliver that condition (which they haven't for me in a very long time), then they shouldn't have it listed.

I'm not done with CPO though. I like getting wedges from them when they're on sale. They get beat up eventually anyways, so I don't care if they don't look like new as long as the grooves are in good shape. I also may take a flyer if I find a good deal. But, generally speaking their prices aren't the lowest around and they seem to fluctuate a lot. Almost seems like they go up right before one of their sales. Besides, if I buy from most reputable eBay sellers I'll see pics of the actual club and get a better price.

I'm just saying that it is really hard to achieve "Like New" condition in a used club - which is what CPO is purportedly selling. From my perspective, "Like New" is the sucker bet. I'm happy going with "Average" and being pleasantly surprised most of the time.

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#32 radiman

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:14 AM

View Postjholz, on 10 January 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

View Postradiman, on 09 January 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

View Postbrew4eagle, on 09 January 2019 - 05:32 PM, said:

View Postjholz, on 09 January 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

If you really want "Like New" then you should probably just buy new.
Huh?  If you want new, you buy new.  If you want (and buy) "like new" you should receive like new.  It's pretty simple really, but CPO has a tough time figuring it out.  Regardless, I've learned my lesson (finally) and will not waste my time again dealing with this inept company.

I agree with most of what you said. Like new shouldn't have scratches all over, or a worn grip. If they can't deliver that condition (which they haven't for me in a very long time), then they shouldn't have it listed.

I'm not done with CPO though. I like getting wedges from them when they're on sale. They get beat up eventually anyways, so I don't care if they don't look like new as long as the grooves are in good shape. I also may take a flyer if I find a good deal. But, generally speaking their prices aren't the lowest around and they seem to fluctuate a lot. Almost seems like they go up right before one of their sales. Besides, if I buy from most reputable eBay sellers I'll see pics of the actual club and get a better price.

I'm just saying that it is really hard to achieve "Like New" condition in a used club - which is what CPO is purportedly selling. From my perspective, "Like New" is the sucker bet. I'm happy going with "Average" and being pleasantly surprised most of the time.

Like new should be reserved for returned/excess inventory. If they can't gaurantee that condition, they shouldn't offer it. It can't be the customers fault for expecting a club described to be hard to differentiate from new. In my experience, all of the woods I've ordered from them have had scratches on the crown. Even at their second highest rating of be disappointed in that. I kind of wonder if it's a handling issue with their warehouse staff more than anything.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:25 AM

And I truly don’t understand why they can’t create a separate category for refurbished.  Like I said, a few years back I bought a “like new” set of irons.  Obviously, without seeing pictures of the exact clubs I was buying, I didn’t have anything else to go on other than that they were described as “like new.”  Now, in fairness, when you look at the category descriptions, “like new” does include refurbished.

Anyway, the clubs arrived and they had clearly been refurbished.  Yes, they had new grips, but they had the stock Callaway generic grip (which is not great), as opposed to the standard grip that came stock with the clubs.  Also, while the clubs had been polished and the bottom groove on the faces had been paint filled, you could see the clubs had a bit of bag chatter and also the paint fill in some cases came outside of the grooves.  Lastly, the shaft bands were starting to peel away from the shafts.  Some people might be okay with all of this, but I’m sorry, that’s not like new.  When I called to return the clubs, they did send me a return shipping label to send them back, but the rep made a comment like “well, what did you expect when you were buying a club that hasn’t been made for a  few years.”  I mean, give me a break.  When I buy like new, I expect like new, and if a club was once new, played, and then refurbished, why not just disclose that particularly where you’re not providing actual pictures of the clubs for sale.

However, all of this being said, I do think that CPO is a great site and a great company to do business with.  I just think they should have a separate category for refurbished and not include it within “like new.”

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:47 AM

I would have no problems with CPO doing away with the "Like New" category - or becoming a hell of a lot more discerning with their use of that designation. The discount on those clubs generally isn't that steep compared to retail, and if I'm paying that kind of coin, I would completely expect a flawless club in return.

If CPO isn't providing that, then that's clearly a problem. I just feel like people are constantly expecting to find a unicorn. Doesn't happen everyday.

Beyond that, I completely agree with the point that Refurbished clubs should be listed as Refurbished. I would much rather have a straight up used club than a refurb. At least with used, you can be reasonably assured that if there is any damage, you know it. With refurbs it's always a mystery - plus they are charging a premium price, apparently. Not cool.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 05:47 PM

So I haven't ordered from CPO in quite a long time, but have been wanting a Toulon Memphis for a while and they were always over $250 in like new condition. Happened to be be browsing ebay last week and found one like new for $144! It arrived today and its in good shape overall. I don't know if I'd personally consider it like new (every single one of my other orders in the past always came wrapped in plastic if like new) as there are some visible and feelable nicks on the leading edge and a few marks from laying against other clubs. The grip is in terrible shape and this was obviously a demo club somewhere. But it did come with the matching head cover when it wasn't supposed to. If I spent the prices before I stumbled on this deal I think I'd be a little pissed but under $150 I'm pleased.

Now the overall quality of Toulon (my first) vs my Scotty's, Bettinardi, or even Nike Origin leaves a lot to be desired and is kinda a let down IMO but that's another discussion.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:30 PM

I would not consider that like new condition.
Case in point with all the recent complaints right there.
But at $150 it’s a decent deal

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:56 PM

I dunno man, looks totally fine to me. A lot of you guys have way too high expectations for used gear. Let's see the grip and a pic at address.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:59 PM

I bought a toulon Atlanta in like new condition. Got it today and it looks brand new except for a ding on the top line. Thoughts?20190116_165752.jpg 20190116_165702.jpg
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 07:03 PM

Dings or chatter = not like new
Nobody’s expectations are too high, if it was a driver in the plastic with a gouge in the paint would you consider that like new ?

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 07:04 PM

I went ahead and messaged them on eBay to see I could get one in the condition described. The more I thought about it the more I realized if I said nothing, regardless of price paid, this would continue to be the norm.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:32 PM

View PostJackpotJohnny, on 16 January 2019 - 07:03 PM, said:

Dings or chatter = not like new
Nobody’s expectations are too high, if it was a driver in the plastic with a gouge in the paint would you consider that like new ?
Agreed.  My Newport has been in my bag over 2 years now and has 0 dings.  I wouldn't sell it as 'like new' and it's in better shape than these examples.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:37 PM

View Postniscur24, on 16 January 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:

I went ahead and messaged them on eBay to see I could get one in the condition described. The more I thought about it the more I realized if I said nothing, regardless of price paid, this would continue to be the norm.

Didn't realize that you were referring to their eBay store.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 11:35 AM

It shouldn't matter whether its their eBay store or their main store. LIKE NEW means like new in my book. If they want to blow out stuff on ebay cheaper than their website then they need to get their descriptions more accurate.

So ebay store said call them....to discuss upgrading?, partial refund, or return.

Called them....No offer to upgrade, whatever that means, no option to select from the other ones on the normal store, and no chance for a new grip. I could hear the gentlemen eyeing through his inventory and kept mumbling "lets see $144....$144.....$144....No we dont have any more in-stock". They have no more like new Memphis putters @$144 but they have plenty @$237 on the website. Bottom line the vibe I got was hey we sold it to you for cheap we aren't going to tap the regular inventory to make up for it.

Best option on the table was an $18 refund for downgrading from "like new" to "very good" or return it. Every single order I've ever had from CPO, majority on ebay, came exactly as described. This one did not and I can either send it back or slap a new grip on it and enjoy it for $126. Does it leave a sour taste and will I be hesitant in the future, of course, but I'll take the partial refund and move on with it.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 11:48 AM

View Postniscur24, on 17 January 2019 - 11:35 AM, said:

It shouldn't matter whether its their eBay store or their main store. LIKE NEW means like new in my book. If they want to blow out stuff on ebay cheaper than their website then they need to get their descriptions more accurate.

So ebay store said call them....to discuss upgrading?, partial refund, or return.

Called them....No offer to upgrade, whatever that means, no option to select from the other ones on the normal store, and no chance for a new grip. I could hear the gentlemen eyeing through his inventory and kept mumbling "lets see $144....$144.....$144....No we dont have any more in-stock". They have no more like new Memphis putters @$144 but they have plenty @$237 on the website. Bottom line the vibe I got was hey we sold it to you for cheap we aren't going to tap the regular inventory to make up for it.

Best option on the table was an $18 refund for downgrading from "like new" to "very good" or return it. Every single order I've ever had from CPO, majority on ebay, came exactly as described. This one did not and I can either send it back or slap a new grip on it and enjoy it for $126. Does it leave a sour taste and will I be hesitant in the future, of course, but I'll take the partial refund and move on with it.

I wasn't inferring that you should live with it.  I just wasn't aware that it was their eBay store.  I thought you had just found a better deal elsewhere.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 11:54 AM

I have had good and bad with them. I still don't trust them...but then again...most big used club sellers have done the same. I think most are too high ..had better luck at global.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 11:57 AM

Nothing but good things to say about CPO.  When I received a driver that I felt was not described accurately, they sent me a replacement in no time and paid for return shipping.

Sorry about your negative experience.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 12:25 PM

The worst thing about CPO is the stickers they use on the clubs. I swear they're cemented on. I hate having to spend a bunch of time with Goo Gone, and when that fails, a heat gun, right after receiving a new golf club. Their stickers are exponentially worse than any other company I've dealt with.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 01:00 PM

I just bought an Apex hybrid in Like New condition with scratches all over the sole. Not going to see it in the address position so its not a big deal but regardless this was not Like New in my opinion. There CS is top notch though and they will make it right if you decide to go that route.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 05:20 PM

Update- CPO did send a prepaid return label after I sent multiple emails.  They received the returned putter on Fri 1/11.  I'm probably a couple weeks out from receiving a refund based on others' experiences.  Hopefully it will be a full refund and I won't have to contact them to request a refund of the original shipping as well.  Will update when I do get the refund.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 05:44 PM

I’ve bought a lot from CPO over the years and have had only one complaint.  It was responded to and corrected very quickly.  The prices are always very good, even on “outlet” ranked clubs.  There’s also not the EBay risk of getting a counterfeit or unexpectedly poor condition club.  It also helps that I generally like Cally clubs.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 06:26 PM

View Posthomergolf, on 17 January 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

I’ve bought a lot from CPO over the years and have had only one complaint.  It was responded to and corrected very quickly.  The prices are always very good, even on “outlet” ranked clubs.  There’s also not the EBay risk of getting a counterfeit or unexpectedly poor condition club.  It also helps that I generally like Cally clubs.
CPO sells on Ebay. At times the prices on their Ebay store are better than what's on their web site.

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