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#1 clfergus

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 09:59 AM

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After getting fit for new clubs I learned that I have a high spin rate and launch I need to bring down via a combo of lessons, project x shafts and maybe the ball. My pro told me to look into the Tp5X as it would be a lower flight and less spin. I picked up a dozen and wanted to compare them to the Pro v1x but after reading the box, the Pro v1 seemed to be described to perform more like the TP5X. Lower spin of irons, lower flight, less short game spin?

I thought the Pro v1 was suppose to be the opposite of all of these. Did they flip the ball characteristics for some reason?


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Posted 24 December 2018 - 10:08 AM

They did flip them. Maybe they wanted to say the regular ProV1 was the most played ball on tour instead of having to always add the X to it.

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 12:57 PM

They didn't flip the V1 and the X. All they did was reduce the spin of the V1 off the driver and other long clubs. The two balls play basically the same now, the biggest difference is that the X is firmer feeling.
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Posted 24 December 2018 - 01:27 PM

In my experience the TP5X definitely flies higher than the ProV1.

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 05:40 PM

Tp5x and prov1x launch higher.

But prov1x spins more than prov1, whole tp5 spins more than tp5x

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 05:47 PM

View Postclfergus, on 24 December 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

Hey  -

After getting fit for new clubs I learned that I have a high spin rate and launch I need to bring down via a combo of lessons, project x shafts and maybe the ball. My pro told me to look into the Tp5X as it would be a lower flight and less spin. I picked up a dozen and wanted to compare them to the Pro v1x but after reading the box, the Pro v1 seemed to be described to perform more like the TP5X. Lower spin of irons, lower flight, less short game spin?

I thought the Pro v1 was suppose to be the opposite of all of these. Did they flip the ball characteristics for some reason?
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Get a sleeve of AVX and have a round with it.
Will launch lower and spin less, but still spin enough when needed.

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 08:47 PM

Unless you struggle getting the ball airborne, the AVX is one of the best balls around for amateurs.

It fits many “better” amateur players very well.
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Posted 24 December 2018 - 09:46 PM

As has been mentioned, the TP5x is not a low launch ball. It will launch higher than the rest, but spin the least and carry the farthest due to reduced drag. Even though you're looking to lower launch, I'd still give the TP5x a try because you might find the spin reduction negates the need to lower launch.
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Posted 25 December 2018 - 07:38 AM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am actually going to get to play tomorrow in the midwest and am trying out..

- TP5X
- Pro V1
- Project a
- Qstar Tour

Have to add the avx to the list

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 10:02 PM

View Postclfergus, on 25 December 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am actually going to get to play tomorrow in the midwest and am trying out..

- TP5X
- Pro V1
- Project a
- Qstar Tour

Have to add the avx to the list

Im eager to hear your thoughts on direct comparison of Project (a) and QST to TP5x. I played less than a sleeve each of Project (a) and QST. I remember liking them but lost them fast enough I couldnt compare them to TP5x. Most of my rounds this year I played TP5x and Snell MTB Red.


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Posted 27 December 2018 - 08:03 PM

Well, played in Louisville, KY at a city course called Seneca. Was a really nice, hilly course and the temp was around 40 degrees.

I was also trying out some new Mizuno 919 forged irons so take that for what it is worth.

I have to say that of all the balls I tried, the new Titleist AVX out performed all of the others fairly significantly for me. It had the best feel off the driver and irons for me. It wasn't as soft a feel as the Qstar, Project a but was about perfect. The TP5X felt firmer to me and a little bit shorter on all shots. I know everyone loves the ball from what I read but it was my least favorite.

I putted the lights out with the AVX as well. One thing I noticed when hitting the AVX vs. Pro v1 was my accuracy was better. It did seem to spin less and produce a really nice ball flight. Around the greens I felt the AVX was more responsive than the TP5X as well.

The project a and Qstar balls performed well but the ball flight was higher for me. The qstar seemed to balloon on me a few times but both felt great off the head.

I went in hoping to love the Taylormade balls but in the end they were mu least favorite of all. I love the AVX with Pro v1 coming in second and followed by the Qstar.

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 02:58 PM

Ive tried ProV1/V1X and TP5/5X and AVX beats them all for me.
Love the AVX and will continue to play it next year and beyond.

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 03:34 PM

View PostChrisGio315, on 28 December 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Ive tried ProV1/V1X and TP5/5X and AVX beats them all for me.
Love the AVX and will continue to play it next year and beyond.

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I am with you. Really didn't want to like the Titleist balls having played Bridgestone for the last 5+ years and enjoying the reduced price per dozen. Something has changed in the newer Bridgestones and I wasn't scoring as well which had me searching for a new ball after the suggestion I try TP5X by my pro.

I can't usually see a huge difference in balls but with the AVX it was obvious it performed for me better off the tee, irons, around the green and mostly putting.

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:02 PM

View Postclfergus, on 28 December 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

View PostChrisGio315, on 28 December 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Ive tried ProV1/V1X and TP5/5X and AVX beats them all for me.
Love the AVX and will continue to play it next year and beyond.

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I am with you. Really didn't want to like the Titleist balls having played Bridgestone for the last 5+ years and enjoying the reduced price per dozen. Something has changed in the newer Bridgestones and I wasn't scoring as well which had me searching for a new ball after the suggestion I try TP5X by my pro.

I can't usually see a huge difference in balls but with the AVX it was obvious it performed for me better off the tee, irons, around the green and mostly putting.
I tried the AVX after getting a personalised dozen as a gift from a 84 year old lady (probably her kids that sourced it). I normally would have exchanged it for Prov 1 if it did not have a stamping on.
Did not expect to like it that much. As you said, better off the tee and off the full shot irons - the area which determines my score the most. The short game is easy to adjust to.
I am a  reluctant convert, having played Pro V since the first release way back. Our Pro exchanged two dozen of unmarked Pro V1 with a smile for AVX, as the AVX is not moving much in the shop at present.
Luckily my wife prefers the Prov 1 and will use my 4 for 3 stash of Prov 1's over the next year or so.

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 08:41 PM

Did some testing on a GC Quad today, pretty much supports the marketing. The X versions spin less (TP5X really low) and fly further with more roll out, due to lower ball flight (lower peak height). Same results from driver and 6i. Best option depends on course and conditions

24 driver shots 6 per ball, same with 6 iron.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:02 AM

View Postrwmck9, on 29 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Did some testing on a GC Quad today, pretty much supports the marketing. The X versions spin less (TP5X really low) and fly further with more roll out, due to lower ball flight (lower peak height). Same results from driver and 6i. Best option depends on course and conditions

24 driver shots 6 per ball, same with 6 iron.

Thanks for posting! Im assuming you were using the 2017 Titleist balls? In that case your results are conflicting with what Titleist is saying - that the X is higher launching and higher spinning with the short irons and wedges.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:35 AM

View PostMaximilian, on 31 December 2018 - 03:02 AM, said:

View Postrwmck9, on 29 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Did some testing on a GC Quad today, pretty much supports the marketing. The X versions spin less (TP5X really low) and fly further with more roll out, due to lower ball flight (lower peak height). Same results from driver and 6i. Best option depends on course and conditions

24 driver shots 6 per ball, same with 6 iron.

Thanks for posting! I'm assuming you were using the 2017 Titleist balls? In that case your results are conflicting with what Titleist is saying - that the X is higher launching and higher spinning with the short irons and wedges.

But he didn't post any numbers for a short iron or wedge so I'm not seeing how is contradicting anything.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 06:07 AM

They say flight is higher with X (not just short irons or wedges) and iron spin is more with X. Ive seen other tests that also show the X is a lower flying ball, so Im a bit puzzled why Titleist says its not. Guess different swing speeds has something to do with it.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 07:32 AM

Why I think is even more confusing is when you ask someone working in a shop or even some pros, they all think the Pro V1X is the lower long game launcher and lower spin ball that doesn't spin as much around the greens. I never played them in the past so I assume that they use to be marketed more like a TP5X in relation to the TP5.

In looking at the numbers from rwmck9 above, the iron numbers show it playing like what I thought a V1X would, comparable to the TP5X. Lower spin than the V1 and lower apex. That contradicts the description on the box.

It seems like the AVX is now what I thought the Pro v1X was in the past. I have read many of the old golfwrx threads on the AVX and was surprised to hear how many members were bashing it. It gets you a more penetrating ball flight off the tee and irons than a Pro V1 or some lower tier balls like the E6 or TruSoft and is still soft around the greens.

I think that is my question, do people get too hung up on green side spin? I shoot right around 80 for any given round. Each round I am sniffing the 70s and if I don't have penalty strokes I can usually break the 80 mark. If you give me a Pro V1 and have me hit it against a pinnacle distance ball or nitro ball then for sure I am going to be able to see a difference. Those balls will hit and bounce forward.

You give me a V1 compared to an E6 soft or a Callaway Diablo Tour ball and I am still going to see a difference but it isn't some huge difference as you would think from some of these posts I read. I can still spin those cheaper balls on wedge shots and spin them back depending on the greens. Very rarely do I see them bounce off a green unless it is baked and nothing is going to stop.

So to say that I would play a V1X over a V1 or AVX... even a TP5 or TP5X or B330 based on the green side action alone is confusing to me. I would imagine that most of us who play to around a 8-10 handicap are usually being bailed out by our short games. It is the swing flaws on our longer shots that add to the strokes like flipping at contact or coming outside in and hitting toe shots. Isn't this where we lose distance, impart too much spin and or launch and come up short/pushing it right..miss greens etc?

That's why I love the AVX so much. It has reduced my spin and angle so I am finding more fairways and my ball isn't getting caught in the wind as much but finding more greens in regulation. Once I am on or around the green I just can't tell enough difference in the feel to see how that can override the other characteristics of the ball that got me to the green.

Maybe if I was a pro and shooting in the 60's then that's a whole other level I can't even begin to think about. I am sure there is a feel level to those guys and gals that I can't understand and this discussion is a relevant one since they could hit a fairway with any ball and possible any green in two with any ball.

I just see so many amateurs focused only on green side action and wonder how relevant that really is in their game.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 04:48 PM

Yes using 2017 Titleist balls. Just learning this now that they flipped their characteristics? Haven't looked at the back of a titleist box in a couple years, always knew the X to be the firmer/ lower spinning/lower flight version (just like taylormade did with the TP5/x).

So my numbers above are puzzling indeed. While the differences between regular and X are not as stark as the Taylormade's, the prov1x is still clearly the longer and lower spinning ball. I made sure to remove any inconsistent shots to get the data as accurate as possible.

Unfortunately I didn't have time to get data with a 9i or wedge but will make sure I do next time I go back.

As Maximillian said, it could be something specific about my swing / shot sample


clfergus great analysis above^^ has me rethinking my own game. Your phrase 'sniffing at the 70s' is exactly how I would describe my game right now. I've been leaning towards a higher spinning ball for maximum green side spin, but maybe I'm approaching it all wrong. The marginally higher spin i'll get from a TP5 or ProV1 might not be worth it

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 05:00 PM

For what it's worth, seeing similar results on youtube review/comparisons (Rick Shiels for example) V1 is flying higher and V1x is flying lower. Once again, contradicting company claims
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 07:21 PM

View Postrwmck9, on 31 December 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

Yes using 2017 Titleist balls. Just learning this now that they flipped their characteristics? Haven't looked at the back of a titleist box in a couple years, always knew the X to be the firmer/ lower spinning/lower flight version (just like taylormade did with the TP5/x).

So my numbers above are puzzling indeed. While the differences between regular and X are not as stark as the Taylormade's, the prov1x is still clearly the longer and lower spinning ball. I made sure to remove any inconsistent shots to get the data as accurate as possible.

Unfortunately I didn't have time to get data with a 9i or wedge but will make sure I do next time I go back.

As Maximillian said, it could be something specific about my swing / shot sample


clfergus great analysis above^^ has me rethinking my own game. Your phrase 'sniffing at the 70s' is exactly how I would describe my game right now. I've been leaning towards a higher spinning ball for maximum green side spin, but maybe I'm approaching it all wrong. The marginally higher spin i'll get from a TP5 or ProV1 might not be worth it
I agree with your last sentence. I think the higher spinning balls hurt the low and low-mid capper more than helping - I am not talking about elite ball strikers and pro's that hit the centre of the club face more and better.
Looking at my own scoring - losing most shots on drives not finding the fairway, and missed greens. I will 3 putt one in 20 greens, but are lucky to up and down 50 % on missed greens (not enough time to practice the short game to be really good at it, and the nature of the grass around the greens on our course) - so any help from a ball that helps me finds more fairways and greens will lower my score the most. In my hands at present the AVX with less sidespin does that more than the Pro v1. Now if I had an infusion of talent and no day job, that may change back to the V1.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:22 PM

Interested to see a comparison between the TP5x and the AVX with driver, 6-iron, and pitching wedge.

TP5x is my current gamer, but the 1 AVX I “lucked” into on the course performed very well.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:49 PM

View PostPieter P, on 31 December 2018 - 07:21 PM, said:

View Postrwmck9, on 31 December 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

Yes using 2017 Titleist balls. Just learning this now that they flipped their characteristics? Haven't looked at the back of a titleist box in a couple years, always knew the X to be the firmer/ lower spinning/lower flight version (just like taylormade did with the TP5/x).

So my numbers above are puzzling indeed. While the differences between regular and X are not as stark as the Taylormade's, the prov1x is still clearly the longer and lower spinning ball. I made sure to remove any inconsistent shots to get the data as accurate as possible.

Unfortunately I didn't have time to get data with a 9i or wedge but will make sure I do next time I go back.

As Maximillian said, it could be something specific about my swing / shot sample


clfergus great analysis above^^ has me rethinking my own game. Your phrase 'sniffing at the 70s' is exactly how I would describe my game right now. I've been leaning towards a higher spinning ball for maximum green side spin, but maybe I'm approaching it all wrong. The marginally higher spin i'll get from a TP5 or ProV1 might not be worth it
I agree with your last sentence. I think the higher spinning balls hurt the low and low-mid capper more than helping - I am not talking about elite ball strikers and pro's that hit the centre of the club face more and better.
Looking at my own scoring - losing most shots on drives not finding the fairway, and missed greens. I will 3 putt one in 20 greens, but are lucky to up and down 50 % on missed greens (not enough time to practice the short game to be really good at it, and the nature of the grass around the greens on our course) - so any help from a ball that helps me finds more fairways and greens will lower my score the most. In my hands at present the AVX with less sidespin does that more than the Pro v1. Now if I had an infusion of talent and no day job, that may change back to the V1.

Yep, this describes my game as well. I guess there are 3-4 of us out there who the target of the new AVX was designed for. Maybe if we buy enough they will keep the AVX around until we NEVER get good enough to be scratch and need the extra spin of the Pro v1.

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:52 AM

I can agree that I saw a distance increase when trying the TP5/X (in comparison to the ProV1/X).
I switched to the AVX and saw the distance gain (as well as accuracy) over the ProV1/X which is why it is my current gamer.

I really hope they don't discontinue the AVX anytime soon but I'm curious to put it up against the 2019 ProV1 when they come out...

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:58 AM

I've found that TP5X is actually high launch, low spin compared to most balls. However, when compared to ProV1x on short game shots like chips/pitches, they are pretty much the same. The difference comes on like a 6i or 7i. Significantly less spin for me with TP5X which actually may be useful now that I've moved to higher spinning irons.

Alternately, the Srixon XV is fairly low spin. However... doesn't feel quite as soft, especially off the putter. IMO TP5X is the best ball for high spin players who still want "tour" caliber spin around the green and softer feel. AVX was also solid but didn't spin quite as much with partial wedge shots. Full wedges though it was on par with all other tour balls. I don't take many full wedge shots though so that didn't make much difference to me.
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