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#61 mosesgolf

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 06:40 PM

Tiger Woods

-3 US Jr AMs in a row
-3 US AM's in a row
-6 years in a row of winning a USGA event
-4 Majors in a row
-14 for 14 closing after leading 3rd round in majors

Jack Nicklaus
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Byron Nelson streak

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 06:56 PM

I still aint seen anything more untouchable than 11 PGA tour wins in a row.

Though I suppose that since we are talking about "beating" records, someone winning 5 majors in a row seems equally preposterous to 12 regular PGA events
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Posted 10 December 2018 - 06:58 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 10 December 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 December 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

I thought I saw recently that Tiger had some rediculous record for most consecutive cuts made? I remember saying to myself wow, don't see anybody ever even coming close to that number again... I feel like it was 160 something? No time to google right now.

It is a ridiculous record.  But the name is misleading.  His 141 "cuts made"  includes events where there was no cut.  So it's better described as 141 events where he did not miss the cut.  You can't make a cut if there is no cut.

True, but he still gets credit for consecutive cuts made for all the events during that time that had a cut. Anyone know how many that is?

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:11 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 10 December 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 December 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

I thought I saw recently that Tiger had some rediculous record for most consecutive cuts made? I remember saying to myself wow, don't see anybody ever even coming close to that number again... I feel like it was 160 something? No time to google right now.

It is a ridiculous record.  But the name is misleading.  His 141 "cuts made"  includes events where there was no cut.  So it's better described as 141 events where he did not miss the cut.  You can't make a cut if there is no cut.

The increasing number of no-cut events may make this record a lot more achievable in the future. At the very start of Tiger's career, I think there were two no-cut events on the schedule (Tour Championship and Tournament of Champions). When he set the record, I think there were 5. Today, there are 9 (4 WGCs, 2 Fedex events... although maybe the TC won't count anymore?, Tournament of Champions, 2 Asia events). Who knows how many there will be in the future.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:27 PM

View Postcdnglf, on 10 December 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 10 December 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 December 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

I thought I saw recently that Tiger had some rediculous record for most consecutive cuts made? I remember saying to myself wow, don't see anybody ever even coming close to that number again... I feel like it was 160 something? No time to google right now.

It is a ridiculous record.  But the name is misleading.  His 141 "cuts made"  includes events where there was no cut.  So it's better described as 141 events where he did not miss the cut.  You can't make a cut if there is no cut.

The increasing number of no-cut events may make this record a lot more achievable in the future. At the very start of Tiger's career, I think there were two no-cut events on the schedule (Tour Championship and Tournament of Champions). When he set the record, I think there were 5. Today, there are 9 (4 WGCs, 2 Fedex events... although maybe the TC won't count anymore?, Tournament of Champions, 2 Asia events). Who knows how many there will be in the future.
For some reason RK likes to remind us every couple days that some weren't really cuts made. Similar to some, including myself, adjusting career wins for players of the past for team wins and such. Though that one has taken a recent hit with the Zurich to man event now being official. :( Shouldn't be an official win imho.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:54 PM

I doubt anyone will ever get to 18 majors again. As for Nelson's records, those are most certainly untouchable. Every sport has its crazy, seemingly untouchable records from long ago.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:54 PM

View Postcdnglf, on 10 December 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 10 December 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 December 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

I thought I saw recently that Tiger had some rediculous record for most consecutive cuts made? I remember saying to myself wow, don't see anybody ever even coming close to that number again... I feel like it was 160 something? No time to google right now.

It is a ridiculous record.  But the name is misleading.  His 141 "cuts made"  includes events where there was no cut.  So it's better described as 141 events where he did not miss the cut.  You can't make a cut if there is no cut.

The increasing number of no-cut events may make this record a lot more achievable in the future. At the very start of Tiger's career, I think there were two no-cut events on the schedule (Tour Championship and Tournament of Champions). When he set the record, I think there were 5. Today, there are 9 (4 WGCs, 2 Fedex events... although maybe the TC won't count anymore?, Tournament of Champions, 2 Asia events). Who knows how many there will be in the future.

So how many no cut events for TW during the streak? Like 40 you think?

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:00 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 10 December 2018 - 07:54 PM, said:

View Postcdnglf, on 10 December 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 10 December 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 December 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

I thought I saw recently that Tiger had some rediculous record for most consecutive cuts made? I remember saying to myself wow, don't see anybody ever even coming close to that number again... I feel like it was 160 something? No time to google right now.

It is a ridiculous record.  But the name is misleading.  His 141 "cuts made"  includes events where there was no cut.  So it's better described as 141 events where he did not miss the cut.  You can't make a cut if there is no cut.

The increasing number of no-cut events may make this record a lot more achievable in the future. At the very start of Tiger's career, I think there were two no-cut events on the schedule (Tour Championship and Tournament of Champions). When he set the record, I think there were 5. Today, there are 9 (4 WGCs, 2 Fedex events... although maybe the TC won't count anymore?, Tournament of Champions, 2 Asia events). Who knows how many there will be in the future.

So how many no cut events for TW during the streak? Like 40 you think?

That seems about right.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:18 PM

Perhaps this by Johnny Miller:

"When I won at Tucson by nine shots in 1975, I would say the average iron shot I hit that week was no more than two feet off line. It was unbelievable."

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

IMO Tiger's streak of 7 is more impressive.  Way way more impressive.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:56 PM

What’s the record for shortest driving average ever on tour for a season?

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 09:38 PM

View Postcdnglf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:00 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 10 December 2018 - 07:54 PM, said:

View Postcdnglf, on 10 December 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 10 December 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 December 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

I thought I saw recently that Tiger had some rediculous record for most consecutive cuts made? I remember saying to myself wow, don't see anybody ever even coming close to that number again... I feel like it was 160 something? No time to google right now.

It is a ridiculous record.  But the name is misleading.  His 141 "cuts made"  includes events where there was no cut.  So it's better described as 141 events where he did not miss the cut.  You can't make a cut if there is no cut.

The increasing number of no-cut events may make this record a lot more achievable in the future. At the very start of Tiger's career, I think there were two no-cut events on the schedule (Tour Championship and Tournament of Champions). When he set the record, I think there were 5. Today, there are 9 (4 WGCs, 2 Fedex events... although maybe the TC won't count anymore?, Tournament of Champions, 2 Asia events). Who knows how many there will be in the future.

So how many no cut events for TW during the streak? Like 40 you think?

That seems about right.

Check it out. Kudos to who those who did the research.

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Woods owns the PGA Tour record for consecutive cuts made at 142.[136] The streak started in February 1998 at the Buick Invitational and ended at the Wachovia Championship in May 2005.[136] Woods' tournament previous to the Buick Invitational was the AT&T Pebble Beach National Pro-Am, from which he withdrew after its third and final round was postponed from February to August due to weather.[137] The tournament that ended Woods' streak was the 2005 EDS Byron Nelson Championship, where he missed the cut by one stroke.[138] He beat the previous record of 113, held by Byron Nelson,[136] at The Tour Championship in November 2003.[139]

In both Nelson's and Woods's eras, "making the cut" has been defined as receiving a paycheck. However, in Nelson's day, only players who placed in the top 20 (sometimes as few as 15)[140] in an event won a paycheck, whereas in Woods's day only players who reach a low enough score (top 70 and ties for most events) within the first 36 holes win a paycheck.[141] Several golf analysts argue that Woods did not actually surpass Nelson's consecutive cuts mark, reasoning that 31 of the tournaments in which Woods competed were "no-cut" events, meaning all the players in the field were guaranteed to compete throughout the entire event regardless of their scores through 36 holes (and hence all "made the cut," meaning that they all received a paycheck). These analysts argue that this would leave Woods's final consecutive cuts made at 111, and Nelson's at 113.[137]

However, at least ten of the tournaments in which Nelson played did not have modern-day cuts; that is, all of the players in these events were guaranteed to compete past 36 holes. The Masters, for example, did not institute a 36-hole cut until 1957 (which was well after Nelson retired), the PGA Championship was match play until 1958, and it is unclear whether or not three other events in which Nelson competed had 36-hole cuts.[142][143] Therefore, these analysts remove "no 36-hole cut" events from both cut streak measures, leaving Nelson's consecutive cuts made at 103 (or possibly less) and Woods's at 111.[144]

In the tournaments in which Nelson competed that did not have 36-hole cuts (that is: the Masters, PGA Championship and the possible three other tournaments), only the top 20 players received a paycheck even though all players in these events were guaranteed to compete past 36 holes.[141] Hence, in these no-cut events, Nelson still placed in the top 20, so Nelson's 113 cuts made are reflective of his 113 top 20 finishes. Woods achieved a top 20 finish 21 consecutive times (from July 2000 to July 2001) and, in the 31 no-cut events in which he played, he won 10 and finished out of the top 10 only five times. Others, including Woods himself, argue that the two streaks cannot be compared, because the variation of tournament structures in the two eras is too great for any meaningful comparison to be made.[137][144]

A more relevant comparison on cut streaks is the 105 consecutive cuts made by Jack Nicklaus between 1970 and 1976, ending at the 1976 World Open.[136] The cut format from that era was virtually identical to the current PGA Tour practice, and most events in Nicklaus' streak, except for the Tournament of Champions (now the SBS Championship), the World Series of Golf (now the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational), and the U.S. Professional Match Play Championship (10 events for Nicklaus) had a cut made after 36 holes.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 10:08 PM

^^Does Jack's streak also included the team events?
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Posted 10 December 2018 - 10:15 PM

Jack 37 Cuts made at the Masters
Garry and Freddie 23 Masters cuts in a row.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 11:36 PM

View PostBingo1976, on 10 December 2018 - 01:37 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 08 December 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

At least not in my lifetime.
  • Jack's 18 majors
  • Jack's 48 top three finishes in majors
  • Jack's 17 years making the top 10 on money list
  • Tiger's scoring record; 67.794 in both 2000 and 2007
  • Tiger's 683 weeks ranked as #1 on OWGR
  • Kathy Whitworth's 88 LPGA wins
  • Phil's 1314 weeks (and counting) ranked in the OWGR top 100
  • Nelson's 18 wins in one season
  • Nelson's 11 consecutive wins
  • Nelson's 65 consecutive top tens

I would say of these, number 7 is most likely, followed by number 4. There may be a female Tiger out there for number 5, but I am not sure if anyone will decide that they want that long a career. Annika would have almost certainly broken it for example.

I don't think so to be honest although it is indeed close. Just a quick recap, Tiger was #1 for 683 weeks or the equivalent of almost exactly 13 years while Annika dominated from 1995 onwards. Women's world rankings began in 2006 and Annika lost her #1 position in April 2007 to Lorena Ochoa --Who had been playing better than Annika since 2006, but of course Annika's OWGR lead was ridiculous. Ochoa would actually hold on to that position until 2010 which gives Annika 12 1/2 years at the top...except that she wouldn't have been #1 her first year or so and Karrie Webb would have taken over her spot around 1999-2000 for a short while. At best Annika would have held the #1 position for ~11 years or about 570 weeks total.

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

IMO Tiger's streak of 7 is more impressive.  Way way more impressive.

It's true that Ben Hogan missed out on all of those events and won a few weeks later in his first start back (Nelson finished 2nd!) he then played 17 more events winning 4 more times. Sam Snead on the other hand played a full schedule of 28 events to Nelson's 30 and won 6 times, so that one is definitely reaching.

Edited by Golfnutgalen, 11 December 2018 - 12:34 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2018 - 11:42 PM

Greg Norman losing in a playoff in all four majors.
Greg Norman Saturday slam.
However many times Norman choked in majors.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 11:57 PM

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 12:25 AM

View PostShilgy, on 10 December 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

^^Does Jack's streak also included the team events?

Two wins with Arnold Palmer in 1970 and 1971. The event ended after the 1972 tournament.

Jack's streak would have included a 72 hole cut in the 1973 World Open. That tournament went two weeks and was 144 holes.
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Posted 11 December 2018 - 05:17 AM

View Postplaya, on 10 December 2018 - 11:42 PM, said:

Greg Norman losing in a playoff in all four majors.
Greg Norman Saturday slam.
However many times Norman choked in majors.

Craig Wood also has the "playoff" loss slam. PGA was extra holes as it was matchplay.
https://en.wikipedia...ig_Wood_(golfer)

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:21 AM

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

IMO Tiger's streak of 7 is more impressive.  Way way more impressive.

I'm on the fence with this one.  Make me choose and yes, put an asterisk for any records/wins/stats in 1945.  In 1945, Army beat out Alabama for the first #1 team in AP poll, so that tells you something is up!  ;)  kidding...

The reason about being on the fence for Nelson's 1945 accomplishments is regardless of field, you cannot get around he averaged 68.34 that year...no getting around the fact that was darn good golf.  

Ah, and the PGA Tour won't even stand behind the scoring average because of the war, no Vardon Trophy for 1942-46.  

So it's a tough one, and no, the Tiger 7 straight is really not comparable.  Nelson literally had a hot summer, Tiger won in 7 straight appearances that spanned two seasons.  Impressive yes, but not like showing up and winning every week.


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:38 AM

View PostShilgy, on 10 December 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

^^Does Jack's streak also included the team events?

From what I see, here are the highlights.

"31 of the tournaments in which Woods competed were "no-cut"....

"this would leave Woods's final consecutive cuts made at 111"


"at least ten of the tournaments in which Nelson played did not have modern-day cuts"

" leaving Nelson's consecutive cuts made at 103 (or possibly less) "


"A more relevant comparison on cut streaks is the 105 consecutive cuts made by Jack Nicklaus between 1970 and 1976"

"most events in Nicklaus' streak, except for the Tournament of Champions (now the SBS Championship), the World Series of Golf (now the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational), and the U.S. Professional Match Play Championship (10 events for Nicklaus) had a cut made after 36 holes."


So, based on this it looks like it's

TW with 111
Nelson with 103 or less
JN with 95


Tiger made 111 straight cuts in events with a cut over 6+ years. Very hard to see anybody doing any better. I'd be surprised if anybody in the past decade has even gone more than one season, maybe two without missing a cut.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:49 AM

I used to think Hank kuenes sick driving distance year was unbreakable, seems foolish to think.   But Cameron champ looks like he will set some kind of record.
Freddy Jacobson had some sick streak of no three putts,  that has to be unbreakable

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 12:48 PM

View PostCasualLie, on 11 December 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

IMO Tiger's streak of 7 is more impressive.  Way way more impressive.

I'm on the fence with this one.  Make me choose and yes, put an asterisk for any records/wins/stats in 1945.  In 1945, Army beat out Alabama for the first #1 team in AP poll, so that tells you something is up!  ;)  kidding...

The reason about being on the fence for Nelson's 1945 accomplishments is regardless of field, you cannot get around he averaged 68.34 that year...no getting around the fact that was darn good golf.  

Ah, and the PGA Tour won't even stand behind the scoring average because of the war, no Vardon Trophy for 1942-46.  

So it's a tough one, and no, the Tiger 7 straight is really not comparable.  Nelson literally had a hot summer, Tiger won in 7 straight appearances that spanned two seasons.  Impressive yes, but not like showing up and winning every week.

Indeed, that number 68.33 is insane! Just think the next best around that time was Sam Snead's 69.23 in 1950 when he won 11 tournaments and that record itself stood for 40 years until Greg Norman broke it in 1990 with a 69.10 average. Maybe the courses were easier back then because Hogan has a 69.30 in 1948 (he won 10 times that year) but even then Nelson's average is so far beyond that it's almost unbelievable.

Here is the most up to date actual scoring average list:

1)68.17 -Tiger Woods, 2000
2)68.33 - Byron Nelson, 1945

3) 68.54 Dustin Johnson, 2018
4)68.73 - Tiger Woods, 2006
5)68.84 - Tiger Woods, 2009
6)68.87 - Tiger Woods, 2001

7)68.89 – Jason Day, 2015
8)68.94 – Jordan Spieth, 2017
9)69.00 - Tiger Woods, 2002

10)69.03 - Davis Love III, 2001
10) 69.03 Justin Rose, 2018

And for historical comparison here are some other big names and their best numbers:

Jack Nicklaus' best scoring average was 69.81 in 1973 (7 wins), he led the scoring averages in 8 of his years on tour.
Arnie's was 69.85 in 1961 (won 6 times)
Billy Casper's 69.82 in 1968 (won 6 times)
Trevino's 69.73 in 1980 (2 wins)
Sam Snead’s 69.23 in 1950 (won 11 times)
Ben Hogan’s 69.30 in 1948 (won 10 times)
Byron Nelson 68.33 in 1945 (won 18 times)

And for completionists the adjusted averages (only available from 1988 onwards)

1)  67.79 – Tiger Woods, 2000
2) 67.79 – Tiger Woods, 2007
3) 68.05 – Tiger Woods, 2009
4) 68.11 – Tiger Woods, 2006
5) 68.41 – Tiger Woods, 2003
6) 68.43 – Tiger Woods, 1999
7) 68.56 – Tiger Woods, 2002
8) 68.65 – Vijay Singh, 2003
9) 68.66 – Tiger Woods, 2005
10) 68.70 -  Dustin Johnson 2018

Edited by Golfnutgalen, 11 December 2018 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 03:59 PM

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

Tiger Woods

-14 for 14 closing after leading 3rd round in majors

This one is not true.  YE Yang beat Tiger in the 2009 PGA when Tiger was leading after 3 rounds.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 04:28 PM

Going back into the archives, Sports Illustrated actually had an article up which stated that Hogan should hold the cuts made record.

https://www.si.com/v...ng-to-ben-hogan

"Having examined all of the available records, SI estimates that only 30% of Nelson's 113 straight tournaments had a 36-hole cut."
"From the 1939 PGA Championship through the '50 L.A. Open, there is no evidence that Hogan ever missed a paycheck, a staggering run of 177 tournaments"

To recap:
"Hogan 177,Woods 142,  Nelson 113, Nicklaus 111,

The Hogan mystique lives on! Of course this is not removing events which didn't have an official cut as seen by some awesome posts above mine. Point is, Hogan was stupidly consistent.


That said, this article has an obvious error because Hogan lost in a playoff in that 1950 LA Open which is far from a missed cut. It makes me almost doubt the validity of the article as a whole. The Tour's website says Hogan WD'd in one event in 1948 and before that had made every cut the previous 8 seasons which means at the very least he made it to 164 events and very likely more, so there is that.


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 04:53 PM

what about Jack / Palmer 18 straight winning seasons? Obviously right now DJ has the best shot, I don't think anyone else right now has 5. Still has 7 years to tie.
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Posted 11 December 2018 - 05:33 PM

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

IMO Tiger's streak of 7 is more impressive.  Way way more impressive.

Would Nelsons record be better than woods if Hogan Snead or Mangrum played

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 09:09 PM

View PostFinbarr Saunders, on 11 December 2018 - 05:33 PM, said:

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

IMO Tiger's streak of 7 is more impressive.  Way way more impressive.

Would Nelsons record be better than woods if Hogan Snead or Mangrum played
Folks make fun of the Hero Challenge getting ranking points and that has the best 18 players in the world, or damn close to it. Did any event Nelson and the lads from 1945 played in ever have anything close to the best 18 in the world? At best they had most of the best the US had to offer.  And filled the events with club pros.
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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:32 PM

Without going to the trouble of looking up possible schedule conflicts, I think Tiger could have duplicated Bobby Jones Grand Slam.  Didn't Tiger go for two years or something without missing a putt inside six feet?  The Bobby Jones Grand Slam will never be equalled unless someone comes along with so much money that it doesn't matter plus other world talent.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:49 PM

View Postmosesgolf, on 10 December 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

Byron Nelson's record gets mentioned alot but imo there should be an asterisk.  

1.  1945
2.  No Ben Hogan, Lloyd Mangrum, Sam Snead in any of the fields
3.  Many top players away on fighting a war
4.  Done with a very very weak field

Not true. Snead played 28 PGA Tour events during 1945 compared to Nelsons 30. Snead won 4 consecutive tournaments before Nelson ran off his 11 event win streak. While it appears that Hogan did not play during the Nelson win streak he did play 18 events in 1945, winning 5. Nelson won multiple events (6) in 1945 with Hogan in the field. Not certain what the first event was that Hogan played in 1945. Tried to find an accurate PGA Tour schedule from 1945 but have come up empty.

http://www.byronnels...com/tournaments

https://www.golf.com...never-be-broken

When Nelson arrived at the Miami Four-Ball Championship in early March, he had already won three times on the season, but he was unhappy. The week before he’d played below his standards in Jacksonville, finishing sixth, while his rival of the day, Sam Snead, won his fourth straight event. Nelson planned to turn the tide, and he did.

https://golfweek.com...n-or-ben-hogan/

True, with Hogan in the service, Nelson in 1944 won eight times. But nonsense to suggestions that the epic ‘45 season came minus Hogan; in six of Nelson’s 18 wins, Hogan played.

In his PGA Tour career, Nelson finished second to Hogan in only two stroke-play events. One came late in 1945, in Portland, Ore. Having won by 14, Hogan reportedly said, “I guess that takes care of this ‘Mr. Golf’ business.’ ” Hogan acolytes love that. Only their blind loyalty ignores this: Two weeks later, Nelson shot a then-record 259, won by 13 and beat Hogan by a whopping 20 in Seattle.

A lasting sense of symmetry? In the 1927 caddie championship at Glen Garden Country Club in Fort Worth, Texas, Nelson edged Hogan in a playoff. Eighteen years later at Glen Garden, Nelson earned the last of his 18 victories in that unforgettable ’45 season by six strokes; Hogan finished a whopping 14 back.

Edited by grm24, 12 December 2018 - 12:03 AM.


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