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Easier to hit "Player's Irons"?


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#1 lazyjc4

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:24 PM

Looking for some suggestions here, I'm a 6.7 cap whose strengths are driving the ball and short game.  If I had even a semi-reliable iron game, I think I'd be able to threaten par from time to time. I hate offset, so I've mostly played "player's CB's", and while I love how my current Z745's look and feel, I bang them out of the middle of the face too often to get the best out of them.  I don't mind a thicker topline, or a clunkier sole, but offset is a big turn-off.  I've hit the Rogue Pros and I like the way they look, and coming from Srixon, I'm very interested in trying a 5 series iron.  Any others I should test/consider?  I know that improving my iron swing is the real key to improvement, but I'd like to stand on a par 3 tee box and have a little bit of confidence that if I toe-jam one, or miss it a little, I might be able to still get away with a GIR.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:29 PM

14HC, got fit into P760's. Easy to hit, pretty forgiving, look great. My main issue is more getting my face angle and path to marry up every single time, not so much striking near the center. I'm also not good off above feet lies, or down hill lies... So those lies add strokes to my score for sure.

I think you'd probably be fine in the 760's, Z785s or the 919F's. To me, the 760's were the best.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:15 PM

Take a good look at the Wilson V6 or if you looking for something older guys really like the V4's that can be found as a steal.  Way under rated irons. Soft feel forgiving and long for the weaker lofts they have. No offset.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:22 PM

Z765 is what I upgraded to from J33 CBs, I like them better than the Srixon 5 series and that V sole works, very forgiving.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:32 PM

This might be obvious but AP2s are a perfect combo of player iron with some help.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:32 PM

pxg 0311p
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:14 PM

View Postevansmar004, on 06 December 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

This might be obvious but AP2s are a perfect combo of player iron with some help.
I'm about a 10, got fit into AP2's up through the 6 iron then AP3 for the 4 and 5 iron.  Best of both worlds.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 06:05 PM

View Postlazyjc4, on 06 December 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

Looking for some suggestions here, I'm a 6.7 cap whose strengths are driving the ball and short game.  If I had even a semi-reliable iron game, I think I'd be able to threaten par from time to time. I hate offset, so I've mostly played "player's CB's", and while I love how my current Z745's look and feel, I bang them out of the middle of the face too often to get the best out of them.  I don't mind a thicker topline, or a clunkier sole, but offset is a big turn-off.  I've hit the Rogue Pros and I like the way they look, and coming from Srixon, I'm very interested in trying a 5 series iron.  Any others I should test/consider?  I know that improving my iron swing is the real key to improvement, but I'd like to stand on a par 3 tee box and have a little bit of confidence that if I toe-jam one, or miss it a little, I might be able to still get away with a GIR.
FWIW I game a 545/745 combo set and don't find the 545s noticeably more forgiving. I'd rather they were all 745s.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:59 PM

You are spoilt for choice!
ones I would recommend would be the Titleist AP2 and the Srizon 7 series
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:11 PM

View Postjsn, on 06 December 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

FWIW I game a 545/745 combo set and don't find the 545s noticeably more forgiving. I'd rather they were all 745s.

That's good to know,  thanks!

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:15 PM

View Postlazyjc4, on 06 December 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

Looking for some suggestions here, I'm a 6.7 cap whose strengths are driving the ball and short game.  If I had even a semi-reliable iron game, I think I'd be able to threaten par from time to time. I hate offset, so I've mostly played "player's CB's", and while I love how my current Z745's look and feel, I bang them out of the middle of the face too often to get the best out of them.  I don't mind a thicker topline, or a clunkier sole, but offset is a big turn-off.  I've hit the Rogue Pros and I like the way they look, and coming from Srixon, I'm very interested in trying a 5 series iron.  Any others I should test/consider?  I know that improving my iron swing is the real key to improvement, but I'd like to stand on a par 3 tee box and have a little bit of confidence that if I toe-jam one, or miss it a little, I might be able to still get away with a GIR.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:38 PM

Ping i500’s for me

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:53 PM

Titleist T-MB.

Player look and blade turf interaction. They cut through the turf just like the MBs. Turf interaction and lack of offset is what I really want in an iron.

T-MBs have nice vertical and lateral forgiveness off of the sweetspot. Love to go high and straight. X-100s in the short irons bring ball flight down nicely and I can still spin the 9/PW back a few feet with a urethane ball. Zero issue holding greens even with longer irons.

Only downside (for some players) is they take a lot of effort to put significant "side sauce" on them. TBH, thats not a down side to me at all. My stock miss with AP2 like clubs was an over cooked draw, causing me to miss greens.

So sure, with the T-MB its hard to really bend them around a significant obstacle, but these are so point and shoot its crazy. Really improved my game, and I can still get the draw/fade if I really need it.

Down to about 9HCP since the switch from Wilson V4s (was a 13HCP), which are admittedly very forgiving, but will bend the ball too much when I close the face down early.

And yes. The drop in HCP was also due to improving my FIR, but the iron swap was the biggest factor.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:01 PM

Mizuno MP18 blades, so easy to hit yet retains the skilfulness to control spin, up, down left and right.

Edited by Chuck905, 06 December 2018 - 09:04 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:02 PM

S55's

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:04 PM

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:07 PM

Ap2 p790

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:08 PM

I went through a couple of sets of irons this year which included 765s, flyz+, and finally settled on the.....Bridgestone J15 DPF. There are some great reviews of these irons. The 765s are forgiving but the j15s are even more so. They have a very thin top line, are workable, and are lonnnng. I'm still working out the yardage and seem to get a flyer from time to time but my gir has gone up substantially. They feel awesome out of the center but I would give the srixons the nod in the feel department by the smallest of hairs. By biggest complaint is that the blade length is pretty long and severe mishits have a hollow type of feel. Great clubs that can be had for a little over $200

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:11 PM

Ping I210?

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:27 PM

View Posttblake1198, on 06 December 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

Ping I210?

I think so too. Played the i200s, they had minimal offset but help on the edges. Sexy, too. Buy the 200s now for cheap (speaking from experience as the seller... 😕)

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:58 PM

Nothing can match the J15 CB in feel, workability, and forgiveness. Benched Mizzy, Blew away AP2, hurdled X-Forged, and rivals Muira feel.

They are untouchable.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:30 PM

P790 are likely going to be the cleanest fastest most forgiving irons based on your criteria. Also 919 Forged would be good.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:37 PM

 lazyjc4, on 06 December 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

... I hate offset, so I've mostly played "player's CB's", and while I love how my current Z745's look and feel, I bang them out of the middle of the face too often to get the best out of them. ...

By out of the middle, do you mean you are getting heel and toe strikes? Or just toe strikes? Or, ar you getting high face hits. Not sure what you mean.

If your main problem is toe strikes, you might need a slightly longer shaft. In my old irons (38" 5i shaft), I had to line up a half inch toward hosel to get a center strike. My new clubs have a 38 1/4" 5i, and I'm getting center strikes with center face alignment. Some fitters had suggested slightly longer shafts at demo-day rough fittings.

Edited by ChipNRun, 06 December 2018 - 10:38 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:48 PM

 ChipNRun, on 06 December 2018 - 10:37 PM, said:

 lazyjc4, on 06 December 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

... I hate offset, so I've mostly played "player's CB's", and while I love how my current Z745's look and feel, I bang them out of the middle of the face too often to get the best out of them. ...

By out of the middle, do you mean you are getting heel and toe strikes? Or just toe strikes? Or, ar you getting high face hits. Not sure what you mean.

If your main problem is toe strikes, you might need a slightly longer shaft. In my old irons (38" 5i shaft), I had to line up a half inch toward hosel to get a center strike. My new clubs have a 38 1/4" 5i, and I'm getting center strikes with center face alignment. Some fitters had suggested slightly longer shafts at demo-day rough fittings.

:D

I saw the same thing. I think he meant "outside", not (just) "out".


OP, you can't find the middle of the face ? Offset shmoffset. Go ahead and go to the dark side and go full GI.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:54 PM

 JBake, on 06 December 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

pxg 0311p

The Ps have a good amount of offset. Try the Ts if you want Pxg.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:57 PM

New Level 902. Single piece forging, feel great, smallish head, low offset, distance lofts.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:46 AM

I think youíre already in the best set for you.  I changed from 545 to 765/965.  The difference isnít that much.  The 765 are very forgiving for the type of club they are and I suspect itís due to the length of the blade.

If the VT sole works for you (and I get that itís not for everyone) then I would be wary of change
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:05 AM

He has already got z745 which are just as forgiving as most  of peoples recommendations so far......a 900f, 760, Ap2 is pretty much what he has already

Since your not getting consistent strikes Either more forgiving club or work on your iron game....simple

Another option if you practice and hit balls is get set of MB (doesnt matter, cheap ones)to hit on range to work on strike.....if you dont really do that than nevermind

Edited by dunn, 07 December 2018 - 01:19 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:11 AM

 jonn443, on 06 December 2018 - 09:58 PM, said:

Nothing can match the J15 CB in feel, workability, and forgiveness. Benched Mizzy, Blew away AP2, hurdled X-Forged, and rivals Muira feel.

They are untouchable.

745s are the closest to competing*
745 (which he has) are almost carbon copy of J15cb...

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 07:31 AM

Iíve been playing blades most of the last decade with the occasional look at a ping S series iron every couple of years. I just picked up a set of AP2 716s and have been pretty impressed.  Itís a really stable club and the wider sole does tend to forgive the occasional steep swing.


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