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#1 Hacker541

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:46 PM

Looking through some photos for the QBE Shootout and I notice Pat Perez is still using Gen 1 irons? And not the tours either? Is this correct or are these something besides regular 0311's with different stamping? I've really been considering a set with the current pricing on the Gen 1's but I haven't pulled the trigger because I felt like they might offer the Gen 2's at a better price once all the old stock is gone. If there's not enough improvement for him to switch that might be the push I needed..

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:02 PM

Perez and Johnson both use GEN1 irons.  They are fine irons with a softer metal construction than the GEN2.

The majority of the staff however has moved to the new GEN2 irons, both PGA and LPGA staff.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:02 PM

We're you fit for the irons or just want them bc you want pxg? I hit them for quite a while at a fitting and found there's numerous brands that I personally hit more consistently and thought felt better. Obviously a lot cheaper too.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:04 PM

View PostHacker541, on 06 December 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

Looking through some photos for the QBE Shootout and I notice Pat Perez is still using Gen 1 irons? And not the tours either? Is this correct or are these something besides regular 0311's with different stamping? I've really been considering a set with the current pricing on the Gen 1's but I haven't pulled the trigger because I felt like they might offer the Gen 2's at a better price once all the old stock is gone. If there's not enough improvement for him to switch that might be the push I needed..

Attachment perez.jpg
Correct. So Sharp looking in black

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:32 PM

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.

What do you mean? Is this a cost issue or a performance issue? Both?

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:33 PM

Many pros don't like to change out equipment once they get used to them.  It needs to be way better than what they're using to make the change.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

Edited by Kaexo, 06 December 2018 - 05:02 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:52 PM

View PostHacker541, on 06 December 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

Looking through some photos for the QBE Shootout and I notice Pat Perez is still using Gen 1 irons? And not the tours either? Is this correct or are these something besides regular 0311's with different stamping? I've really been considering a set with the current pricing on the Gen 1's but I haven't pulled the trigger because I felt like they might offer the Gen 2's at a better price once all the old stock is gone. If there's not enough improvement for him to switch that might be the push I needed..

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You really need a push from a PGA tour pro? Youre really basing your extremely expensive financial decision on which iron works best for a PGA pro? His definition of an "improvement" is probably completely different than yours. Pat probably hasnt switched because hes used to his current PXGs....hes not looking for something "better".....the guy is a great striker and he knows his yardages and gapping...
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 06:23 AM

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Gen 2s wont go down in price until Gen 3s come out (whenever that will be as we waited three years for 2s) PP plays a combo set of XF and 0311 no T irons.

Personally I prefer the feel on Gen 1s and switched from 2s back to 1s.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:36 PM

View Postosubuckeyes691, on 06 December 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

We're you fit for the irons or just want them bc you want pxg? I hit them for quite a while at a fitting and found there's numerous brands that I personally hit more consistently and thought felt better. Obviously a lot cheaper too.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:38 PM

PP fits the PXG brand/bill well, surprised he isnt playing the Gen2s as I would have thought he would have some influence in the development of the new stuff.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:38 PM

View PostBirdieBob, on 06 December 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both use GEN1 irons.  They are fine irons with a softer metal construction than the GEN2.

The majority of the staff however has moved to the new GEN2 irons, both PGA and LPGA staff.

Your last name isn't Parsons is it?  ;)

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:39 PM

View PostKaexo, on 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

View PostKaexo, on 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

The Gen2 0311P look slightly smaller and less offset albeit minimal than the Gen1s

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:42 PM

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.


Meaning not a substantial difference in performance to justify cost. IE TItleist 714 to 716 to 718 is there anything different?


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:26 PM

I feel like anything at this point performs the same between generations. All marketing and sales.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:22 PM

I also got Gen 2s and went back to the Gen 1 irons. Can't explain why but I just got used to the Gen 1s and so never settled in with the new ones.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:48 PM

View Postssfranny, on 07 December 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.


Meaning not a substantial difference in performance to justify cost. IE TItleist 714 to 716 to 718 is there anything different?

Feel and feedback changed a lot from 714 to 716 and a little more from 716 to 718

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 04:41 PM

View Postssfranny, on 07 December 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

View PostKaexo, on 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

View PostKaexo, on 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

The Gen2 0311P look slightly smaller and less offset albeit minimal than the Gen1s

The 0311P is fairly larger compared to the 0311s so not sure where you see smaller. They do have less offset but the 0311s are about the size of the Gen 2 0311Ts.

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 05:30 PM

I look at it this way PP knows what he likes, Bob is happy to have him on staff. PP plays and make more then i do, he can play gen1's all he wants. Personally i dont play their irons  but think they are darn sexy.

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 05:30 PM

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.
That sounds like sound, practical advice on buying golf clubs.  This has no place on this forum.  Please refrain from inserting logic into any discussion of new golf clubs.  It will not go over well.  Now, tell me again how much further the new driver will go?

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 06:38 PM

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.
I am +4.6 and I buy straight off the rack.

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 06:49 PM

View PostGary Gutful, on 09 December 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.
I am +4.6 and I buy straight off the rack.
I like it.  Simplifies things.  When it comes to all the options shafts, lies, lofts, etc., ignorance is bliss.  I was much more content when I thought the only option I had was the one on the wall.  And if a club wasn't working, maybe it was me.

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 07:13 PM

I did not liked gen1, turf interaction was a nightmare. Gen2 on the other side, is much better, distance control is better for me. Some people might not see a big difference between the two, for me it was night and day.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:11 AM

View PostKaexo, on 09 December 2018 - 04:41 PM, said:

View Postssfranny, on 07 December 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

View PostKaexo, on 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

View PostKaexo, on 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Perez and Johnson both used GEN2s for awhile but like James Hahn they all 3 have went back to gen 1s.

Perez plays the normal 0311s and XF in a 3 iron.

The Gen1s perform just as good as the Gen 2s. The gen2s have a slightly different look but performance is marginal at best.

The Gen2 0311P look slightly smaller and less offset albeit minimal than the Gen1s

The 0311P is fairly larger compared to the 0311s so not sure where you see smaller. They do have less offset but the 0311s are about the size of the Gen 2 0311Ts.


Comparing 0311 gen1 8 iron to 0311T gen2 8 iron. And comparing gen1 vs gen2 0311P 7 irons.

The T is still smaller in width of sole and length of blade than the gen1 Ps.


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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:39 AM

From having both the Gen 1’s and then switching to the Gen 2’s the biggest difference I felt was tighter dispersion ok hits off the heal and toe.  Although the Gen 1’s are still fantastic clubs, the Gen 2’s helped me.  Would the average golfer make the switch and pay the added costs, well that depends on them and their disposable income.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 10:41 AM

View PostMarcoPXG, on 10 December 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

From having both the Gen 1’s and then switching to the Gen 2’s the biggest difference I felt was tighter dispersion ok hits off the heal and toe.  Although the Gen 1’s are still fantastic clubs, the Gen 2’s helped me.  Would the average golfer make the switch and pay the added costs, well that depends on them and their disposable income.

I agree. Dispersion and forgiveness has improved on Gen 2's. When I mishit I don't worry too much about results as the ball still gets out there just slightly offline. As for Perez, tour pros aren't looking for theses vast improvements as they usually wear a hole in the sweet spot on whatever irons they're using. Otherwise, they wouldn't be Pros. Switching to the newest toy an OEM throws out there doesn't really matter to these guys unless it significantly impacts their endorsement revenues.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 02:59 PM

View Postnorge5, on 09 December 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

View PostGary Gutful, on 09 December 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

View Postveebs007x, on 06 December 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am a +4.5 handicap and have worked in R&D/Tour department for a major OEM (trying to validate myself for the comment to follow)...i would NEVER buy the current club offering from a company....i know this comment will get blasted but I would always play the previous generation of clubs if I was paying retail.
I am +4.6 and I buy straight off the rack.
I like it.  Simplifies things.  When it comes to all the options shafts, lies, lofts, etc., ignorance is bliss.  I was much more content when I thought the only option I had was the one on the wall.  And if a club wasn't working, maybe it was me.

Dude just shot 63 at Q-school with the superintendent's driver, pro shop demo wedges, and some rando's irons.  Almost like it's the Indian rather than the arrow, lol.

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